TisHerself
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Talk about mob mentality, out of these 10 criminal rapists morons not one of them could say "hey this is wrong".:furious:
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panthera said:I don't know under what circumstances they place children in group homes in California; but maybe it's possible there is a lot of abuse at home, or mom's on drugs, in jail, or something along those lines?
Probably think they're "entitled" to have whoever they want. You're right: morons is an apt description.TisHerself said:Talk about mob mentality, out of these 10 criminal rapists morons not one of them could say "hey this is wrong".:furious:
Jeana (DP) said:And there was no rape. Don't forget about that.![]()
Wudge said:I hope this case receives some of the play that the Duke case received (before our crimetainment media found out there was no case), because I really would like to hear what the storylines/facts are.
ETA: I sent the story to Drudge, and he just posted it on his website. That will help to highlight this case and give us a better chance to eventually hear what the facts are.
Children are placed in group homes for a number of reasons, primarily when the are taken from an abusive home, but sometimes orphaned children or delinquents are also placed in group settings.panthera said:I don't know under what circumstances they place children in group homes in California; but maybe it's possible there is a lot of abuse at home, or mom's on drugs, in jail, or something along those lines?
LovelyPigeon said:Not that it will matter in the felony charge, but I think this will be a case of oral sex, because the child had no physical injuries. I was glad to read that she at least wasn't physically harmed.
Tragically, it may turn out that the child was previously sexually molested (with the outcome being she was placed in a group home) and therefore had some knowledge regarding sexual acts. An absolutely horrible situation for this 11-yr-old little girl!
Some of the residents at the apartment complex have apparently stated that the child looked older than she was. It's no excuse, though, because even this 'explanation' by some suspects recognizes that the child was not a grown woman:
Fresno City College football coach Tony Caviglia arranged for seven players to consult Sunday with criminal defense attorney Michael Idiart.
Idiart said the men were worried when he met with them at a college conference room. They described the alleged victim as tall and mature looking although she seemed younger when she spoke.
Idiart said he explained to them that under California law sexual conduct with a person under 14 is felony child molestation.
"Basically, if you involved yourself in sexual activity with this person, you have a problem," he said he told the players.
He said they voluntarily went to the police station after he counseled them to fully cooperate. - http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=state&id=4353401
Consent matters a little, to me, and I think in law - there's a difference between molesting a compliant child, and forcibly molesting a protesting child. Neither crime is minor, but using force makes it even worse. The story makes it sound like she was not willing, so that is an additional charge, beyond statutory rape and child molestation.Jeana (DP) said:That's because there can be no consent in statutory rape. A child cannot give consent. Other than that, I think we're in agreement.
We are talking about an 11 yr old. No matter how mature she might have looked I am sure she didnt look old enough to consent to anything never mind a gang rape.Details said:Consent matters a little, to me, and I think in law - there's a difference between molesting a compliant child, and forcibly molesting a protesting child. Neither crime is minor, but using force makes it even worse. The story makes it sound like she was not willing, so that is an additional charge, beyond statutory rape and child molestation.
Depending on how the DA feels about th case he can charge aggravated child molestation, felony sexual assault of a minor (or whatever they call it in their state), aggravated rape, rape in the first degree, child molestation, or any combination therefore.Jeana (DP) said:Thanks Wudge. I don't do criminal, but isn't this worse than statutory rape?
Mackey Davis, 20, and Eddie Scott, 19, were arrested on one count each of child molestation with a victim under 14 and oral copulation with a victim under 18. Both were being held Sunday at Fresno County Jail on $100,000 bail.
Yes, but wouldn't you want a steeper penalty for someone who forcibly, with violence rapes a 11 year old child, versus someone who does the same, but without force, without violence? Both crimes are high on the despicable scale, but still, doing it to an unwilling child is even worse than to one who has been persuaded, bribed or fooled into cooperating.csds703 said:We are talking about an 11 yr old. No matter how mature she might have looked I am sure she didnt look old enough to consent to anything never mind a gang rape.
TisHerself said:People are hysterical, what difference does it make what age she was, she was still raped and there were still 10 of them. She could have been 40 would have made no difference. The fact that she is only 11 makes it that much more tragic because she is only a little girl.
Details said:Consent matters a little, to me, and I think in law - there's a difference between molesting a compliant child, and forcibly molesting a protesting child. Neither crime is minor, but using force makes it even worse. The story makes it sound like she was not willing, so that is an additional charge, beyond statutory rape and child molestation.
Details said:Yes, but wouldn't you want a steeper penalty for someone who forcibly, with violence rapes a 11 year old child, versus someone who does the same, but without force, without violence? Both crimes are high on the despicable scale, but still, doing it to an unwilling child is even worse than to one who has been persuaded, bribed or fooled into cooperating.
Ten men against one child is forcible in my opinion. Even if the force was with manipulation rather than violence. The end result was a child was raped. I think this really makes me angry because there seems to be more crimes committed by young men who seem to have this mob mentality. Gang rapes, hazing incidents, with the most demented and humiliating acts. Who thinks this stuff up.Details said:Yes, but wouldn't you want a steeper penalty for someone who forcibly, with violence rapes a 11 year old child, versus someone who does the same, but without force, without violence? Both crimes are high on the despicable scale, but still, doing it to an unwilling child is even worse than to one who has been persuaded, bribed or fooled into cooperating.
You're implying thought was involved.csds703 said:Who thinks this stuff up.