CA - Christopher Dorner kills 4 in tri-county rampage, Feb 2013 - #3

[CountryGirl]

Here is a photo of the scene from earlier in the day. That basement was filled almost to the top with char and debris. From other 'process' photos I have seen today, I am pretty sure they sifted through all that ash to get as far down as they did in later photos. But, I do not think his body is actually shown in any of the photos.

burned out cabin #6

I wonder whose rifle is in the road?

I'd also be curious to read the FBI profiles done on Dorner and how close they came in their assessments of where he would be, what he would do, etc. There is alot we don't know that LE did know. And yes, I also heard "burners" were the flammable gas canisters--before it was brought up in the PC today.

 

[danzn16]

I wonder whose rifle is in the road?

I'd also be curious to read the FBI profiles done on Dorner and how close they came in their assessments of where he would be, what he would do, etc. There is alot we don't know that LE did know. And yes, I also heard "burners" were the flammable gas canisters--before it was brought up in the PC today.

I think the rifle is one of the shot LEO's because it is in proximity to blood on the pavement and crime scene markers. MOO

 

[Foxfire]

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[i.b.nora]

The video interview is very confusing. So the two people who were tied up were not two female maids, but a married husband and wife couple who rented the cabin?

I couldn't catch what exactly they were saying. But they're not maids. Yet they were tidying up the cabin -- for themselves because they left a mess?

It was a little difficult to understand but, from what I heard or gathered, they own that unit as well as some others in the same area. I also think they might live in the area themselves as they talked about how he told them he had seen them cleaning up around in the area last (Friday?). So, he was aware of them and thought they were good people.

She explains at the end how she thinks it was misundertood about the two female maids. They had been cleaning one of the units next door or nearby, and she asked 911 to call them and make sure they were okay, because she was concerned that Dorner might have run into them on his way out.

 

[Foxfire]

I wonder whose rifle is in the road?

I'd also be curious to read the FBI profiles done on Dorner and how close they came in their assessments of where he would be, what he would do, etc. There is alot we don't know that LE did know. And yes, I also heard "burners" were the flammable gas canisters--before it was brought up in the PC today.

RE: I'd also be curious to read the FBI profiles done on Dorner and how close they came in their assessments of where he would be, what he would do, etc.

Christopher Dorner left them a manifesto that detailed exactly what he was going to do. Could you imagine the havoc and confusion that he could have caused if he had not released his intentions?

CountryGirl, obviously they didn't have a clue, nor did they want one. On Greta's show, Retired LAPD Mark Fuhrman stated that Dorner prolly accidentally set his truck on fire while using his lighter for light. Jeeze.. You can't predict when an axle is going to break on a vehicle.

Imo, Christopher Dorner burned his truck to prevent law enforcement K9s from picking up his scent, enabling him to evade investigators through the woods and eventually to the cabin/safe haven where he observed the incident command for several days..

The search of the Big Bear cabins would have brought closure to this tragedy days before if a proper search had been conducted, imo.. Many of the Big Bear cabin occupants stated that LE never knocked on their doors.. If the cabins were unoccupied & no one answered, they were ignored.. Christopher Dorner would not have answered the door...

Imo, Due to his empathy for the four civilians(letting them live). There may be some truth to his grievance; former partner battering the arrestee,(at least in Dorner's mind)..

 

[Thorn]

Up until today I have always been proud to be a WS member. I joined during the Jessica Ridgeway horror and at that time I was very impressed by the caliber of other members and their respect for LE and the VICTIMS. Today, I have seen the absolute worst of WS. Those of you posting in favor of what CD has done and questioning LE in regards to their response to the clear and present danger he represented are asinine. There are NO EXCUSES for his actions! Any consequences that resulted from HIS choices are a direct result of WHAT HE CHOSE TO DO!!! If you want to be apologists for THIS MURDERIOUS FREAK take it to the comments on any MSM board. I cannot wait for the mods to catch up and abide by the TOS of WS, we are VICTIM friendly. LE and their families are the VICTIMS in this situation, NOT CD. He chose his path; he paid for it...enough said.

 

[jjenny]

So, foxfire, in your view, it's perfectly rational to object to a civilian supposedly being kicked?
But have no problem with carjacking, tying civilians up, holding them hostage, tying them up, stuffing towels into their mouths? (considering that is what a number of civilians say he did to them).
Makes perfect sense?

 

[Horace Finklestein]

CountryGirl, obviously they didn't have a clue, nor did they want one. On Greta's show, Retired LAPD Mark Fuhrman stated that Dorner prolly accidentally set his truck on fire while using his lighter for light. Jeeze.. You can't predict when an axle is going to break on a vehicle.

Imo, Christopher Dorner burned his truck to prevent law enforcement K9s from picking up his scent, enabling him to evade investigators through the woods and eventually to the cabin/safe haven where he observed the incident command for several days..

The search of the Big Bear cabins would have brought closure to this tragedy days before if a proper search had been conducted, imo.. Many of the cabin occupants stated that LE never knocked on their doors.. If the cabins were unoccupied & no one answered, they were ignored.. Christopher Dorner would not have answered the door...

Imo, Due to his empathy for the four civilians(letting them live). There may be some truth to his grievance; former partner battering the arrestee,(at least in Dorner's mind)..

What is the connection there? Showing empathy then did not effect the past incident. I guess his delusions were consistent as was his desire to "clear his name" and be a hero. But he did ambush and murder an unarmed woman with her fiance.

 

[jjenny]

Frankly, I am getting tired of hearing how he supposedly was nice to civilians. What quite a few civilians say he did to them would presumably be enough to put him in prison for a long time even without the murders.

 

[Foxfire]

Don't shoot the messenger.. What Christopher Dorner did was wrong.. I am simply trying understand why he did what he did.. It has been my experience that history has a way of repeating itself.

Why did he let the civilians live?

 

[Foxfire]

So, foxfire, in your view, it's perfectly rational to object to a civilian supposedly being kicked?
But have no problem with carjacking, tying civilians up, holding them hostage, tying them up, stuffing towels into their mouths? (considering that is what a number of civilians say he did to them).
Makes perfect sense?

jjenny, I base my opinions on life experiences as do others..

 

[Voice4theSilent]

I believe he has or had ties to that community, but beyond that, I believe he fled to that small town for the same reason he burned his vehicle and spared the carjacking and kidnapping victims. He wasn't trying to evade the police. He was trying to lure them to carry out his vendetta. All MOO

I agree. Setting his car on fire to draw attention to himself and staying so close solidified that in my mind. I think he was hoping LAPD would follow him up there and be out of their element with the snow and the fact that it wasn't their home "turf".

Come to find out, I gave him FAR more credit than he deserved. After reading his manifesto and hearing news of his accolades I imagined an entire elaborate plan involving planes, motorcycles, scuba gear, bombs, numerous cleverly hidden bunkers of ammunition and weapons, ambushes, etc. (Perhaps I watch too many movies?) Little did I know he was cowering away in a condo unable to even find an effective way to get off that mountain, even with a good 4-5 hour head start on LE...and, despite all of his training, unable to even tie an effective knot.

 

[jjenny]

Don't shoot the messenger.. What Christopher Dorner did was wrong.. I am simply trying understand why he did what he did.. It has been my experience that history has a way of repeating itself.

Why did he let the civilians live?

I don't know. I let everyone live, and most people do the same.
So why is that even a question?

 

[Foxfire]

What is the connection there? Showing empathy then did not effect the past incident. I guess his delusions were consistent as was his desire to "clear his name" and be a hero. But he did ambush and murder an unarmed woman with her fiance.

The empathy displayed by Christopher Dorner to the innocent civilians may indicate that he wasn't a psychopath, imo..

 

[Thorn]

Don't shoot the messenger.. What Christopher Dorner did was wrong.. I am simply trying understand why he did what he did.. It has been my experience that history has a way of repeating itself.

Why did he let the civilians live?

Just a guess, but he wanted to play up the "Robin Hood" persona. BTW, were not his first two victims "civilians". Oh, wait she was a cops daughter! So am I, but I never worked a day as a LEO in my life. With all due respect Fox, am I or am I not a civilian? :waitasec:

 

[Foxfire]

I don't know. I let everyone live, and most people do the same.
So why is that even a question?

As do I jjenny... Have even saved a few lives that may have been lost.. My career was in public safety.

 

[Foxfire]

Just a guess, but he wanted to play up the "Robin Hood" persona. BTW, were not his first two victims "civilians". Oh, wait she was a cops daughter! So am I, but I never worked a day as a LEO in my life. With all due respect Fox, am I or am I not a civilian? :waitasec:

Good point, Thorn.. Guess, Christopher Dorner had a psychotic break with reality..

 

[Horace Finklestein]

The empathy displayed by Christopher Dorner to the innocent civilians may indicate that he wasn't a psychopath, imo..

I disagree that he showed empathy. He laid out his plan of attack/rules of engagement so to speak pretty plainly in his manifesto. He wasn't after civilians he considered innocent. If anything, he was true to his delusions and persecution complex but that doesn't mean it was empathy.

Seems like he was living completely in his own world and made up his own rules as he went along. I don't know if he was a sociopath or not. jmo

 

[Voice4theSilent]

Don't shoot the messenger.. What Christopher Dorner did was wrong.. I am simply trying understand why he did what he did.. It has been my experience that history has a way of repeating itself.

Why did he let the civilians live?

IIHO He let them live because he had a crazy notion that we (as in non-LE) were on his side. He felt that all reporters and journalists would run out and do as he said once they read his manifest. He felt like celebrities would be flattered that he called them beautiful, that the First Lady would be thrilled that he liked her bangs, that it might actually help Hillary Clinton's chances of becoming our next President if he endorsed her, and that Anthony Bourdain would be pleased as punch that Dorner thought he was a cool cat. This is the same reason he was so calm when he carjacked the man to gain access to the last automobile. Why would he be nervous? We are all on his side. After all, he was doing ALL of this for us. So that we would know his name was cleared. So that we wouldn't think he was a liar. So that we would know the terrible things the big, bad LAPD was capable of and covering up. He thought that he could tell non-LAPD officers that if they ran his plates and saw it was him that they could just carry on their business, as though they would actually, for a second, entertain the thought. Do not be fooled, he was delusional, he was narcissistic, he was a murderer and he was anything but kind, compassionate and good-hearted.

 

[Thorn]

IIHO He let them live because he had a crazy notion that we (as in non-LE) were on his side. He felt that all reporters and journalists would run out and do as he said once they read his manifest. He felt like celebrities would be flattered that he called them beautiful, that the First Lady would be thrilled that he liked her bangs, that it might actually help Hillary Clinton's chances of becoming our next President if he endorsed her, and that Anthony Bourdain would be pleased as punch that Dorner thought he was a cool cat. This is the same reason he was so calm when he carjacked the man to gain access to the last automobile. Why would he be nervous? We are all on his side. After all, he was doing ALL of this for us. So that we would know his name was cleared. So that we wouldn't think he was a liar. So that we would know the terrible things the big, bad LAPD was capable of and covering up. He thought that he could tell non-LAPD officers that if they ran his plates and saw it was him that they could just carry on their business, as though they would actually, for a second, entertain the thought. Do not be fooled, he was delusional, he was narcissistic, he was a murderer and he was anything but kind, compassionate and good-hearted.

That is exactly what I find so sad. CD may be dead, but he is getting his wish. Sheeple everywhere are singing his praises and villifying LE for doing their job. All the apologists need to wake up. I will cry myself to sleep tonight for the fate of our great nation and the distructive course that we seem hell bent on going down. ullhair: