GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #11

[atthelake]

ITA.........I don't see CL taking the fall without taking all involved/POI's down, ie. "plea agreement".

But.... LE and prosecutors are kind of iffy when it comes to charging/convicting spouses (just saying) unless the crime is really egregious. They really have to have infallible evidence and co-conspirators can change their statements at the drop of a hat.
*wondering if NL has an attorney?*


Have to believe CL was a complete moron, he left a trail of "bread crumbs" that lead LE right to him, <snip>

Someone here said on the threads a while back a saying that I'll always love and remember....went like "so much evidence he let behind...like candy from a pinata"

 

[Voice4theSilent]

RSC made that post (my favorite statement I have read on Websleuths, to date! lol!)

"First, one can presume that the brain of a murderer, and in particular one who leaves evidence strewn about like pinata candy, is not necessarily swift enough to come up with the idea of spiking a drink with birth control pills (which may not work, btw...)"

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Palms-28-June-2014-10&p=10883740#post10883740

Love it! :loveyou:

 

[la2cabo]

Not necessarily. My daughter got married in CA. They later moved to AZ. When the married fell apart she had to come back to CA to file for divorce. Of course, I also think it was a DIY divorce. That was considered their place of residency at the time of the marriage. It's convoluted at best.

I suppose whatever state you are in your can file for divorce, but it has to go through the state in which the marriage was made.

Respectfully Seajay, a divorce has to be filed in the state of the couple's residency. In the case of your daughter's divorce, perhaps they weren't AZ residents long enough for that to be considered their home state. There are different laws for each state as far as setting up residency and how long you must live in the state to be considered residents. My son was married just outside of Chicago, however, because he and his wife were residents of CA that's where the divorce took place. It's all about where the couple sets up house - not where the marriage ceremony takes place.

I also agree with cluciano63 that the laws of divorce, child support, etc. are irrelevant as I don't really think CL gave any thought to it. I think ALL he cared about was how this perceived mess was going to affect HIM and HIS life - p e r i o d.

 

[77DarkHorse7]

Sounds like you're trying to establish reasonable doubt. Are you on CL's defense team?

No, I'm not, In fact I was ready to fry him. I was just as 'hang him high' as the rest of you until around the time they had that vigil and then I started feeling like ugh, and thinking 'something's wrong here'. And I thought who hates both Erin and Chris enough to do this to them, but also had the access to pull it off as well? And NL is the only other POI that LE has mentioned so it had to be her, right? So that's when I made my FIRST doubtful post. no. 827......

 

[tvscum]

I think the prosecution has to provide "discovery" to the defense before the preliminary hearing? If so, I would assume that CL and his attorney already know all the evidence. Does anyone know for sure?

Both the prosecution and defense always play waiting games with turning over discovery. While discovery is expected before the prelim, the prelim frequently gets rescheduled over and over again, especially in special circumstance cases. Many times there are dueling discovery motions with both sides claiming the other side is being too slow in turning over discovery. Then there's the ongoing investigation issue where one side will claim a new witness has come forward at the last minute or new evidence has just recently come to light. Discovery ends up being a cat and mouse game that rarely ends with charges dismissed. JMO

 

[Dallen]

Since the statement about CL not getting to see his kid if NL found out about the affair is hearsay, maybe it was more along the lines of not wanting to share custody and not seeing the child as often. Divorce doesn't equal no visitation or no joint custody. Maybe it was taken out of context and is now being made bigger than what was actually said. I'm leaning more towards that idea.

 

[cluciano63]

CL may have just told Erin that NL would keep his child from him, as an excuse to keep Erin from getting any ideas about a permanent attachment.

But I imagine that lots of wives, after an initial affair (CL and Erin), would have issued a few threats/conditions about what they would lose if it ever happened again. NL may have agreed to mend her marriage with CL the first time, but given him very explicit ideas about what would happen if he did it again. If so, his reaction as far as panicking about Erin's pregnancy and her alluding that the baby was his would be pretty extreme. Jmo but when it comes down to it, most men have every intention of staying with their wives, no matter how many affairs they have. Of course they don't all resort to murder if pressured, but it certainly is not the first time that infidelities have resulted in the death of one of the parties involved either.

I am thinking this guy CL is finally finished with his military career and ready to start his proper married life and a new career with family up in AK among his own family, maybe had been looking forward to it for years and then here comes Erin, from what was supposed to be casual fling to fill the hours, wanting him to throw all of it away and start fresh with her. No way he was going to do that, and no way was she going to even have the chance of interfering with his marriage on any real level.

Imo,the reasons people kill are generally selfish, to get money, to eliminate a threat to their desires, to cover up something they've done (extortion, i.e), to get drugs. Etc...CL fits right in with these types of motives.

All JMO.

 

[stayhomemommy]

Since the statement about CL not getting to see his kid if NL found out about the affair is hearsay, maybe it was more along the lines of not wanting to share custody and not seeing the child as often. Divorce doesn't equal no visitation or no joint custody. Maybe it was taken out of context and is now being made bigger than what was actually said. I'm leaning more towards that idea.

I also think that he didn't want his parents finding out he'd cheated on Nichole and fathered a child with another woman. There can be a strong power in not wanting to disappoint one's parents, or not wanting to hear them never let you live something down. I'm not saying that was the whole of it, but I think it played into motive somewhat. MOO

 

[nikb]

Since the statement about CL not getting to see his kid if NL found out about the affair is hearsay, maybe it was more along the lines of not wanting to share custody and not seeing the child as often. Divorce doesn't equal no visitation or no joint custody. Maybe it was taken out of context and is now being made bigger than what was actually said. I'm leaning more towards that idea.

Good point. "Marine killed lover so he wouldn't lose his family" (paraphrasing, I can't remember exactly what some of them said) is certainly a 'catchier' headline than some of the other possibilities.

 

[nikb]

Jmo, the laws of divorce, seeing kids after a divorce, etc are irrelevant as I doubt CL ever considered all of that. Imo he just wanted Erin out of the way of his future life plans and did not want his family affected. Jmo

Yeah... I tend to agree, but if that really was his main concern I wish he'd spent more time looking that up and less time looking up how to hide a body.

 

[atthelake]

RSC made that post (my favorite statement I have read on Websleuths, to date! lol!)

"First, one can presume that the brain of a murderer, and in particular one who leaves evidence strewn about like pinata candy, is not necessarily swift enough to come up with the idea of spiking a drink with birth control pills (which may not work, btw...)"

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Palms-28-June-2014-10&p=10883740#post10883740

Love it! :loveyou:

Credit where credit is due with the correct quote that you had on hand so quickly thanks! Shout out...yooooooouuuu hooooooo... rsc you are making quotable memories for us! (Do we have a thread for quotables in general down in the jury room? I know we had such for the FCA trial, but don't know of a general WS one... RSC's post should go there if we do lol)

 

[nikb]

CL may have just told Erin that NL would keep his child from him, as an excuse to keep Erin from getting any ideas about a permanent attachment.

But I imagine that lots of wives, after an initial affair (CL and Erin), would have issued a few threats/conditions about what they would lose if it ever happened again. NL may have agreed to mend her marriage with CL the first time, but given him very explicit ideas about what would happen if he did it again.<snipped for space>

True, I hadn't thought about it that way. I've heard of people making all kinds of claims/threats in anger that weren't necessarily legally enforceable. She may have told him "I'll leave and take your child and you'll never see her again!" even though realistically, she probably couldn't do that.

 

[la2cabo]

I also think that he didn't want his parents finding out he'd cheated on Nichole and fathered a child with another woman. There can be a strong power in not wanting to disappoint one's parents, or not wanting to hear them never let you live something down. I'm not saying that was the whole of it, but I think it played into motive somewhat. MOO

But explaining to his parents that he MURDERED his pregnant lover would be much easier? What a dumb arse he is! :notgood:

 

[Seajay]

But explaining to his parents that he MURDERED his pregnant lover would be much easier? What a dumb arse he is! :notgood:

As I've said before, no one has accused him of being a genius. :laughing:

 

[nikb]

But explaining to his parents that he MURDERED his pregnant lover would be much easier? What a dumb arse he is! :notgood:

Well, he wasn't supposed to get caught...

(and yeah, I totally agree with you)

 

[EmmaRose]

As I've said before, no one has accused him of being a genius. :laughing:

You're funny! Thanks for the laugh!

 

[heartgoesout]

(modsnip) I have a nagging feeling and I wish we knew more about NL whereabouts that day.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

(modsnip) I have a nagging feeling and I wish we knew more about NL whereabouts that day.

I don't think we can sleuth NL's FB friends

(sitting on my hands)

 

[roadrunnermt]

But explaining to his parents that he MURDERED his pregnant lover would be much easier? What a dumb arse he is! :notgood:

What IF NL and CL had struggled with infertility issues being they only one 6-7 year old child and rumor of a possible miscarriage (which I think was misspoken and meant to have been about Erin's MC), but yet together/married since 2006-2008 until 2014 so, ~6-8 yrs together? I can see the huge "pregnant lover" radar go way, way up IF his wife had indeed had an issue with not getting pregnant, thus making it an even bigger reason to get rid of the possible pregnancy the affair produced. I just am not buying the child support, messing up his career, etc. as being enough motive to fit the crime in my opinion. There's more we don't know behind it.

Also, someone mentioned CL not wanting his parents to find out about the affair but how about Nichole's parents/family finding out? I am *assuming* but by my research she does not look very closely connected to family at all and I can't help but wonder if that is the case and/or if that wedge happened due to NL and CL being together. As in like her family couldn't stand him, told her he wasn't right for her, etc., kind of disowned her for staying with him, and then to find out he had an affair producing another child when her family already had such major issues with him. Just food for thought, my opinions/thoughts of course.

 

[Fascinated1]

I know I posted about nl potential miscarriage-and I meant to specify nl, not ec.