GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #11

[RSC]

JC? Why would she have gone to JC's favorite spot with CL? I'm confused.

You know what? I think they must have used JC's phone pings to find her. They supposedly offroaded together, and target shooted. Police might have gambled that she'd be where he spent a lot of time already. His favorite spot. JC must've gone out with the search team and pointed out locations from memory to fill in the blanks, IMO . Remember there were those three mining districts. Big area to search, but manageable, might be why it took so long...

 

[cluciano63]

Has the idea ever been discussed here (tried to keep up) that CL actually killed Erin because she told him that day that she would be choosing to stay with her husband?

No. Mainly due to what Erin was apparently telling her friend and the use of the words "celebrate" and "special" etc

 

[maskedwoman]

I have always been very curious exactly how that text was worded. The "two hours away" part stands out to me in particular.
The ONLY way that makes sense to include, IMO, is if the friend specifically said "where are you guys going" and she responded something like "I don't know, but he said it would be about a 2 hour drive."

If EC brought it up without being asked, I think that her gut was telling her that someone needed to know where she was going and who she was with. She may have loved CL, and been excited to "celebrate" with him, but she may not have trusted him fully, either. Perhaps, however, she didn't want to admit it either to her friend or to herself.

I think it probably came out as you mentioned, in response to her friend asking. I've never been in ECs position but, if it had even crossed my mind that someone should know where I was, in case I didn't return, I simply wouldn't go. Period. To me, love and trust go hand in hand. I could not love someone I didn't trust not to hurt me. I can understand how someone could be blinded to the fact that the person they love is actually a dirt-bag. But I can't understand how she might love him enough to be hoping for a commitment, and yet be concerned she might not come home from their day trip.

It's been a long time since I've thought of myself as naïve, but maybe I still am in some ways.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

[QUOTE Originally Posted by 77DarkHorse7
"As a lot of you seem to have figured out, I'm a big doubter. Sorry. I just can't seem to get my mind around this affair. I don't know, something about a torrid affair that lasted for months doesn't quite fit.".[/QUOTE]

IMO it seems off-topic to discuss whether EC and CL ever had an affair-- aside from all LE (in search warrant) and MSM has reported, this is post-finding her/post-vigil statement from her husband JC that he knew about the affair earlier in the year, but didn't know until after Erin had gone missing that the affair had continued:

Excerpt from this article:
http://www.militarytimes.com/article/20140826/NEWS/308260052/Erin-Corwin-s-Marine-husband-says-he-now-has-closure-
In March, Jonathan discovered Chris and Erin had a brief affair. However, Jonathan believed the fling was over, and so he had made amends with his wife and tried to forgive his neighbor. Jonathan didn’t discover the affair had continued until after Erin had disappeared.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

But explaining to his parents that he MURDERED his pregnant lover would be much easier? What a dumb arse he is! :notgood:

Agree, but think he thought he could pull it off so that what he had done would never come to light

 

[77DarkHorse7]

JC? Why would she have gone to JC's favorite spot with CL? I'm confused.

No, I'm thinking CL would have taken JC offroading through CL's favorite places, when they were still chummy. At least that's the supposed story. If JC thought he buried her in that area as well, then JC's phone pings from those offroading trips would be helpful in finding her, right? Jon wouldn't know where they were exactly, but his phone would know. CL apparently disabled the phones that day, but may have forgotten that JC's phone recorded where they had gone on earlier dates. With the spotty ping record in hand, JC would "remember" the other places they went from memory of those trips, giving LE what they would assume was the full picture of CL's favorite areas, amongst which are the locations where someone could dump the decedent.

IMO AMO JMO MOO

 

[RSC]

When I was near her age I was enmeshed with someone full of charisma and great words of passion, but who also walked a fine line between safe and unsafe for me (and for himself). My gut screamed at me, and I chose to ignore it. I am obviously okay now, but this is what has me thinking about that text. I can't explain it very well, sorry

I think it probably came out as you mentioned, in response to her friend asking. I've never been in ECs position but, if it had even crossed my mind that someone should know where I was, in case I didn't return, I simply wouldn't go. Period. To me, love and trust go hand in hand. I could not love someone I didn't trust not to hurt me. I can understand how someone could be blinded to the fact that the person they love is actually a dirt-bag. But I can't understand how she might love him enough to be hoping for a commitment, and yet be concerned she might not come home from their day trip.

It's been a long time since I've thought of myself as naïve, but maybe I still am in some ways.

 

[RSC]

Ah. That's an interesting theory, actually. It seems like CL would be smarter than that, but that has proven not to be true thus far...

No, I'm thinking CL would have taken JC offroading through CL's favorite places, when they were still chummy. At least that's the supposed story. If JC thought he buried her in that area as well, then JC's phone pings from those offroading trips would be helpful in finding her, right? Jon wouldn't know where they were exactly, but his phone would know. CL apparently disabled the phones that day, but may have forgotten that JC's phone recorded where they had gone on earlier dates. With the spotty ping record in hand, JC would "remember" the other places they went from memory of those trips, giving LE what they would assume was the full picture of CL's favorite areas, amongst which are the locations where someone could dump the decedent.

 

[maskedwoman]

When I was near her age I was enmeshed with someone full of charisma and great words of passion, but who also walked a fine line between safe and unsafe for me (and for himself). My gut screamed at me, and I chose to ignore it. I am obviously okay now, but this is what has me thinking about that text. I can't explain it very well, sorry

That's okay. And maybe I've been more sheltered than I knew. :hug:

 

[77DarkHorse7]

Ah. That's an interesting theory, actually. It seems like CL would be smarter than that, but that has proven not to be true thus far...

There is always the chance, however, that someone wants people to think CL wouldn't be smarter than that.

 

[moonbeams]

Can we, please, get the MSM links for all these comments that LE used JC's phone pings? Or is this just rumor? I thought all comments had to be backed by MSM.

 

[77DarkHorse7]

[QUOTE Originally Posted by 77DarkHorse7
"As a lot of you seem to have figured out, I'm a big doubter. Sorry. I just can't seem to get my mind around this affair. I don't know, something about a torrid affair that lasted for months doesn't quite fit.".

IMO it seems off-topic to discuss whether EC and CL ever had an affair-- aside from all LE (in search warrant) and MSM has reported, this is post-finding her/post-vigil statement from her husband JC that he knew about the affair earlier in the year, but didn't know until after Erin had gone missing that the affair had continued:

Excerpt from this article:
http://www.militarytimes.com/article/20140826/NEWS/308260052/Erin-Corwin-s-Marine-husband-says-he-now-has-closure-
In March, Jonathan discovered Chris and Erin had a brief affair. However, Jonathan believed the fling was over, and so he had made amends with his wife and tried to forgive his neighbor. Jonathan didn’t discover the affair had continued until after Erin had disappeared.

Are we sure the military times has a reliable source for this? Obviously the two of them must have had some contact of a physical nature or there wouldn't be so much hurt, running rampant in this situation. But maybe it was a single encounter, or a partial lapse, not an affair at all? I mean it seems to me that the only thing that may confirm it continued is a retexted message, that doesn't even sound real. Given the sheer volume of and specificity of the information contained in these messages, it sounds more like a newspaper article than what anyone actually texts to their friend, doesn't it? At least not to me. JMO

Hrm,.... really? Closure less than two months after both this alleged secondary betrayal and a violent death of same loved one. Maybe I'm "different" but I've been through betrayal, of a lesser extent, that also didn't include a death, and STILL the core of the earth would have frozen before I would have claimed closure after only two months. If nothing else, Erin sure seems prone to choosing some strange birds I can tell you that... She's very compassionate after all.


JMO IMO MOO ELMO

 

[moonbeams]

[QUOTE Originally Posted by 77DarkHorse7
"As a lot of you seem to have figured out, I'm a big doubter. Sorry. I just can't seem to get my mind around this affair. I don't know, something about a torrid affair that lasted for months doesn't quite fit.".

IMO it seems off-topic to discuss whether EC and CL ever had an affair-- aside from all LE (in search warrant) and MSM has reported, this is post-finding her/post-vigil statement from her husband JC that he knew about the affair earlier in the year, but didn't know until after Erin had gone missing that the affair had continued:

Excerpt from this article:
http://www.militarytimes.com/article/20140826/NEWS/308260052/Erin-Corwin-s-Marine-husband-says-he-now-has-closure-
In March, Jonathan discovered Chris and Erin had a brief affair. However, Jonathan believed the fling was over, and so he had made amends with his wife and tried to forgive his neighbor. Jonathan didn’t discover the affair had continued until after Erin had disappeared.

Thanks for the link and just want to make sure everyone is aware that the author of this piece (and others including one in the national USA today newspaper) is the news reporter from the Desert Sun newspaper that was AT the vigil and interviewed JC and is almost an identical article (obviously) to what he published in Desert Sun.

 

[nikb]

I think it probably came out as you mentioned, in response to her friend asking. I've never been in ECs position but, if it had even crossed my mind that someone should know where I was, in case I didn't return, I simply wouldn't go. Period. To me, love and trust go hand in hand. I could not love someone I didn't trust not to hurt me. I can understand how someone could be blinded to the fact that the person they love is actually a dirt-bag. But I can't understand how she might love him enough to be hoping for a commitment, and yet be concerned she might not come home from their day trip.

It's been a long time since I've thought of myself as naïve, but maybe I still am in some ways.

BBM I want to agree with you, I really do! But I remember going on a date one time with a guy I was a little bit iffy about already. Now that I've got more life experience and maturity I realize I NEVER EVER should have gotten into the car with him, but I did. What could it hurt, right? (yeah... naive!) 5 minutes later I was wishing I had told someone where we were going. 10 minutes later when he was hitting the dashboard of his car and yelling at me because I couldn't give a "good enough" answer why I "liked" him, I was scared. I made up some kind of fake reason that finally calmed him down and kept him calm enough that I got home safely, but it could've been different. I know it's a very different circumstance in a lot of ways, but I wasn't much younger than Erin when that happened. I wonder if Erin did have some kind of uneasy feeling in her gut that led her to be nervous, but not nervous enough to skip it entirely.

ETA: sorry I realized that sounded off a bit. I agree with you that you might not have done this MaskedWoman - I wasn't meaning to question what you'd do (sorry!). I was thinking of some really 'young and dumb' things that I did even though I consider myself relatively intelligent most of the time.

 

[77DarkHorse7]

Thanks for the link and just want to make sure everyone is aware that the author of this piece (and others including one in the national USA today newspaper) is the news reporter from the Desert Sun newspaper that was AT the vigil and interviewed JC and is almost an identical article (obviously) to what he published in Desert Sun.

I think probably they're an excellent reporter, but reporter's sources sometimes lie.... and maybe once qualifies as a brief affair, but it usually implies more. IMO

 

[77DarkHorse7]

BBM I want to agree with you, I really do! But I remember going on a date one time with a guy I was a little bit iffy about already. Now that I've got more life experience and maturity I realize I NEVER EVER should have gotten into the car with him, but I did. What could it hurt, right? (yeah... naive!) 5 minutes later I was wishing I had told someone where we were going. 10 minutes later when he was hitting the dashboard of his car and yelling at me because I couldn't give a "good enough" answer why I "liked" him, I was scared. I made up some kind of fake reason that finally calmed him down and kept him calm enough that I got home safely, but it could've been different. I know it's a very different circumstance in a lot of ways, but I wasn't much younger than Erin when that happened. I wonder if Erin did have some kind of uneasy feeling in her gut that led her to be nervous, but not nervous enough to skip it entirely.

I'm so sorry that happened to you. I'd apologize for my gender but I fear that would lessen his responsibility for that behavior. Some people can be such freaks.

 

[nikb]

Has the idea ever been discussed here (tried to keep up) that CL actually killed Erin because she told him that day that she would be choosing to stay with her husband?

I think it's been mentioned but not discussed in depth. IMO it's unlikely from what we've heard but I also think it's possible. I think he really just wanted this "problem" out of his life and felt like this was the best way to do it (because of course he was going to get away with the murder, right?). JMO but that seems like a stronger motive than jealousy over her deciding to stay with her husband. But I certainly think it's an idea worth considering.

 

[77DarkHorse7]

I think it probably came out as you mentioned, in response to her friend asking. I've never been in ECs position but, if it had even crossed my mind that someone should know where I was, in case I didn't return, I simply wouldn't go. Period. To me, love and trust go hand in hand. I could not love someone I didn't trust not to hurt me. I can understand how someone could be blinded to the fact that the person they love is actually a dirt-bag. But I can't understand how she might love him enough to be hoping for a commitment, and yet be concerned she might not come home from their day trip.

It's been a long time since I've thought of myself as naïve, but maybe I still am in some ways.

Your observations on love are quite true. I am of the firm belief that you cannot love someone who has no redeeming qualities. Unless you also don't have any. Loving someone means liking who they are, and many people just don't realize that attraction isn't love. And it doesn't help that society inflicts this 'relationships must lead to sex right away' nonsense on us.

It just inflames passions before you know someone and puts up this huge smokescreen, and then how are you supposed to tell if it's actually love or just lust or jealousy, infatuation, insecurity etc. etc.. Sex is for after you know, period.

 

[cluciano63]

I think CL just told Erin he knew of a "special" place about two hours away where he wanted to take her, and Erin repeated this to her friend. I don't think she was dropping code or showing signs of being worried. She may have asked him how far it was in order to create an alibi/timeline for JC, as far as when she would be back.

I feel like JC probably figured out pretty quickly that she must have gone off with CL for the day, when he got home and the pets had not been fed and he could not reach her. That must have been an awful feeling, though no way, Imo, could he have known what was really happening.

 

[la2cabo]

Are we sure the military times has a reliable source for this? Obviously the two of them must have had some contact of a physical nature or there wouldn't be so much hurt, running rampant in this situation. But maybe it was a single encounter, or a partial lapse, not an affair at all? I mean it seems to me that the only thing that may confirm it continued is a retexted message, that doesn't even sound real. Given the sheer volume of and specificity of the information contained in these messages, it sounds more like a newspaper article than what anyone actually texts to their friend, doesn't it? At least not to me. JMO

Hrm,.... really? Closure less than two months after both this alleged secondary betrayal and a violent death of same loved one. Maybe I'm "different" but I've been through betrayal, of a lesser extent, that also didn't include a death, and STILL the core of the earth would have frozen before I would have claimed closure after only two months. If nothing else, Erin sure seems prone to choosing some strange birds I can tell you that....


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BBM: Respectfully, what are you talking about? I'm failing to make the connection with the closure thing. Also, is it really necessary to refer to Jon as a "strange bird"? I'm not sure why you think this, however, I find calling a victim a name of any sort to be completely disrespectful.