CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #5

[Gut_feeling]

Families is correct. 'Family's' would translate to 'family is brought us to a location ...'.

It could also mean "The family HAS brought us to a location."

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I wonder if they were bored with the parents in bed and stuck with nothing to do way out of town, and decided to go for a walk into town for ice cream or to run away from home, and that's why LE believe Lilly had her backpack with her.

They may have been ambitious, confident, energetic youngsters who wanted to get out of the house and away, and wouldn't have understood how far on foot it was or assumed they could get a ride from someone in to town along the way.

And they got lost in the rough terrain walking into town, away from where LE was searching (near the home and outward from the home), and made it some distance away.

Or

Someone saw them walking by the road and abducted them, them having left home of their own volition.

Someone they knew or a stranger, either could have occurred, IMO.

In such a remote location, it would be likely someone passing by might know them, and think wow, I know those kids and they are pretty young to be on their own, and they pulled over and offered them a ride.

And they're with that person(s) who had/has good intentions, and is hiding them and taking care of them.

Just trying to think of a positive scenario in which they still could be alive and relatively safe.

All JMO.

 

[Serononin]

I wonder if they were bored with the parents in bed and stuck with nothing to do way out of town, and decided to go for a walk into town for ice cream or to run away from home, and that's why LE believe Lilly had her backpack with her.

They may have been ambitious, confident, energetic youngsters who wanted to get out of the house and away, and wouldn't have understood how far on foot it was or assumed they could get a ride from someone in to town along the way.

I wondered if they might've been fans of a show like Dora the Explorer and decided to go on their own adventure

 

[su5ie]

Canadian news has much less of a theatrical element than the US news, so showing a video like that, which only purpose would be for sensational content, would not pass the journalistic standards test.

https://cbc.radio-canada.ca/en/vision/governance/journalistic-standards-and-practices

I wonder what the statistics are regarding the finding of missing persons ( solving a case ) when it is heavily featured in the media versus limited access to information

 

[su5ie]

If they followed the road, would there not have been enough traffic that someone would have spotted them? Because no one saw them walking along the road, it makes me think that they walked out the back door and into the bush then kept walking, eventually arriving at the pipeline trail, and from there we have no idea where they went. It would have been easiest for them to follow the pipeline trail once they got there. However, we just don't know what they might have done. It doesn't seem likely that they stayed on the pipeline trail or they would have been found by now. Perhaps they attempted to walk back home through the woods. I wish we knew.

I suppose in hypotheses put forward by adults , we think with a logical adult brain . Very young Children think with illogical and imaginative brain .

This would be a logical path an adult would take

 

[su5ie]

Daniel stated he was not allowed reveal the exact location where the children were last seen on cctv in New Glasgow while shopping with family on May the 1st .

What are posters speculations on this location and why is it important to not reveal it .

 

[su5ie]

Disappearance of Lilly and Jack Sullivan - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

This one is the recreational centre I have previously posted about and another poster had stated was closed indefinitely, I wonder has it been searched as its a about 1 and a half km from the children's home if they turned left from the front of the yard , along Gairloch Road and crossed to the opposite side . Kids generally want to return to areas they had fun , prehaps they were brought there sometimes to fish by DM . Just because a place is closed down doesn't mean it can't be accessed by a local who knows how to get in .

LORDA Park in Pictou County will not be opening for another season

After 36 years of providing a safe place for seniors and those with disabilities to enjoy nature, LORDA park in Lansdowne, Pictou County will be closing.

www.saltwire.com

Don't know if I posted before but just a little about dog scent

How weather affects scent & your trail

Weather conditions can greatly influence the behavior of human scent and present interesting challenges for pet dogs who engage in scent-based activities, such as mantrailing.

allwaggedout.co.uk

 

[AddyFinch]

I wonder if they were bored with the parents in bed and stuck with nothing to do way out of town, and decided to go for a walk into town for ice cream or to run away from home, and that's why LE believe Lilly had her backpack with her.

They may have been ambitious, confident, energetic youngsters who wanted to get out of the house and away, and wouldn't have understood how far on foot it was or assumed they could get a ride from someone in to town along the way.

And they got lost in the rough terrain walking into town, away from where LE was searching (near the home and outward from the home), and made it some distance away.

Or

Someone saw them walking by the road and abducted them, them having left home of their own volition.

Someone they knew or a stranger, either could have occurred, IMO.

In such a remote location, it would be likely someone passing by might know them, and think wow, I know those kids and they are pretty young to be on their own, and they pulled over and offered them a ride.

And they're with that person(s) who had/has good intentions, and is hiding them and taking care of them.

Just trying to think of a positive scenario in which they still could be alive and relatively safe.

All JMO.

You would need to factor in parent statement that both children may have an undiagnosed autism disorder (no I’m not looking up reference link, we all saw it in beginning).
Home is in remote area, but is located on a paved highway, so traffic congestion may be low on a Friday morning. Auxillary roads could well be dirt.
Picking up kids, and hiding them is abduction, LE states “no evidence”, whether that includes infront of home or auxiliary road?

 

[iveyguy]

I grew up in a similar rural area in this region and have children myself, and I do not believe at all that these children walked very far from this home. I will concede, of course, that children this age are capable of adventuring much further than expected. But I don't buy it in this situation:

1. It was cold outside - a little above freezing - and they weren't properly dressed. They would have become cold and uncomfortable quickly, likely still while within eyesight of their trailer.

2. Nobody walks on the road. It's not normal behavior to walk on Gairloch Rd. It's a 90 km/h (55 mph) highway with no sidewalks. It's not something that these children would have ever done before. You always leave home in a vehicle. A yellow bus for school, otherwise in someone's automobile... or maybe an ATV.

3. Jack is only 4, wearing a pull-up diaper, and likely underdressed. A 1.2 km journey would take a considerable amount of time. They would have stood out immediately to anyone who saw them. I can't stress this enough - there would have been immediate red flags to any adult who saw these two unaccompanied children that morning.

4. There's no other trace, despite intense searching in this location. If they were in this area, there would be something! Jack's pull-up diaper would have become uncomfortable within several hours and would have been discarded, etc.

I've felt this way from the very beginning - I am convinced that the children didn't simply walk away from this location without ever leaving a trace.

 

[AddyFinch]

Interesting why search concentrated on backyard bush line. Did LE theorize children exited via back vs front to play or go somewhere? Completely different reasons ie .. let’s go to the trail vs I want to play store today. Going to the trail has forward movement, but playing store has them hanging close to house and belongings. Or was there an earlier event that caused them to flee from home? Making forward movement erratic vs steady planned? Is a child this age capable of this type of thinking?

 

[AddyFinch]

I grew up in a similar rural area in this region and have children myself, and I do not believe at all that these children walked very far from this home. I will concede, of course, that children this age are capable of adventuring much further than expected. But I don't buy it in this situation:

1. It was cold outside - a little above freezing - and they weren't properly dressed. They would have become cold and uncomfortable quickly, likely still while within eyesight of their trailer.

2. Nobody walks on the road. It's not normal behavior to walk on Gairloch Rd. It's a 90 km/h (55 mph) highway with no sidewalks. It's not something that these children would have ever done before. You always leave home in a vehicle. A yellow bus for school, otherwise in someone's automobile... or maybe an ATV.

3. Jack is only 4, wearing a pull-up diaper, and likely underdressed. A 1.2 km journey would take a considerable amount of time. They would have stood out immediately to anyone who saw them. I can't stress this enough - there would have been immediate red flags to any adult who saw these two unaccompanied children that morning.

4. There's no other trace, despite intense searching in this location. If they were in this area, there would be something! Jack's pull-up diaper would have become uncomfortable within several hours and would have been discarded, etc.

I've felt this way from the very beginning - I am convinced that the children didn't simply walk away from this location without ever leaving a trace.

Absolutely agree with all your points!!

 

[AddyFinch]

Daniel stated he was not allowed reveal the exact location where the children were last seen on cctv in New Glasgow while shopping with family on May the 1st .

What are posters speculations on this location and why is it important to not reveal it .

A couple of key clicks to area reveals exactly which stores are available to ponder. And as a Cdn we know which would have or might have cctv. One might wonder if it’s more a case of who’s in the video rather than where, and if there is audio, then what is being said, or maybe what is being purchased.

 

[su5ie]

A couple of key clicks to area reveals exactly which stores are available to ponder. And as a Cdn we know which would have or might have cctv. One might wonder if it’s more a case of who’s in the video rather than where, and if there is audio, then what is being said, or maybe what is being purchased.

I will google the area ,thank you . Is the area just New Glasgow Town or a specific shopping complex


I found it in this article and it gives a location

Polygraphs, a blanket and a bootprint: New details of investigation into missing N.S. children revealed | RCI

Nearly a dozen RCMP units are trying to piece together what happened to Lilly and Jack Sullivan.

ici.radio-canada.ca

 

[su5ie]

Absolutely agree with all your points!!

Yes the diaper/ pull up would likely be heavy , wet and soiled and if so would have been the easiest item for the scent dogs to locate

 

[su5ie]

A couple of key clicks to area reveals exactly which stores are available to ponder. And as a Cdn we know which would have or might have cctv. One might wonder if it’s more a case of who’s in the video rather than where, and if there is audio, then what is being said, or maybe what is being purchased.

Just had a Google of Highland store mall . Although a lot of stores here are just run of the mill like Walmart etc I did notice it had a Canadian Tire store ,a store I would imagine has multiple cctv cameras.

They sell baby supplies and other stuff .Of course I did have a thought of weapons being possibly bought etc but my main reasons for pointing it out were one I can see why this location would not be revealed as it would spawn a thousand conspiracies, insinuations and speculation on SM and two is I Would not have known stores like this exist in shopping malls. I'm from Ireland and I wouldn't even know where a store like this would be or if any exist that sell weapons alongside normal household items.

Innocent items could have been purchased here by family so by no means am I insinuating it was a nefarious visit or that it happened at all ,as Daniel stated the RCMP are keeping the location secret for operative purposes. But posters are free to speculate or offer imo's

Daniel also said near in the above screenshot of previous post , he didn't state within the mall .

Highland Square Mall | Community Shopping Centre | New Glasgow, Nova Scotia

Highland Square is a community shopping centre in New Glasgow, Nova Scotia catering to a full spectrum of shoppers.

www.highlandsquare.ca

Hunting - Shop All Gear & Equipment

Shop our wide assortment of hunting gear, equipment, and supplies from top brands like Browning, Buck Knives, Huntshield, Outbound, Realtree, and more.

www.canadiantire.ca

 

[su5ie]

Street View · Google Maps

Explore a place in a more immersive way in Google Maps.

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This is a street map of Highland square mall from within the carpark if anyone interested in exporing the area, one of the entrances to the mall can be seen if you go slightly right with arrows and Canadian Tire is beside the entrance. There also seems to be those spotlights we see in carparks that often have cctv cameras attached

 

[AddyFinch]

Some CdnTire stores sell hunting gear. Some sell accessories only and other have opted for zero hunting guns. I imagine there is plenty of hunting and fishing that way. Cdn Tire stores are like Marks & Sparks, or Primark with less fancy and more automotive, sports, household stuff.
Cdn Tire web cams are generally bubble from ceiling, and Walmart are at cashier direct frontal view, mixed with occasional bubble in specific areas throughout store.
I looked at map again, and there are lots of restaurants for takeaway maybe, and a building supply store for possible purchase of wood to finish the fence that evening.
The TransCanada Highway intersects with the mall roadway, maybe they were seen on a highway web cam Nova Scotia web cams

 

[su5ie]

Some CdnTire stores sell hunting gear. Some sell accessories only and other have opted for zero hunting guns. I imagine there is plenty of hunting and fishing that way. Cdn Tire stores are like Marks & Sparks, or Primark with less fancy and more automotive, sports, household stuff.
Cdn Tire web cams are generally bubble from ceiling, and Walmart are at cashier direct frontal view, mixed with occasional bubble in specific areas throughout store.
I looked at map again, and there are lots of restaurants for takeaway maybe, and a building supply store for possible purchase of wood to finish the fence that evening.
The TransCanada Highway intersects with the mall roadway, maybe they were seen on a highway web cam Nova Scotia web cams

Cool @AddyFinch , wonder is there a Web cam for Garioch Rd and the highway that runs through that ,don't want to add the number as I'm unsure think it's 329 or 286 or something

 

[musicaljoke]

I suppose in hypotheses put forward by adults , we think with a logical adult brain . Very young Children think with illogical and imaginative brain .

This would be a logical path an adult would take

Yes, indeed this is true. An example would be how G-ma mentioned that the kids had no reason to be in the bush. An adult would think that way, but the kids could have had millions of reasons to head into the woods.

 

[AddyFinch]

Cool @AddyFinch , wonder is there a Web cam for Garioch Rd and the highway that runs through that ,don't want to add the number as I'm unsure think it's 329 or 286 or something

I think Gairloch Rd is Hwy 289. No cameras found on internet in vicinity.