GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #14

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TheOtherChristina said:
Sorry! I think you posted while I was writing mine.

Can his discharge status be changed to dishonorable?
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Im pretty sure I t can be but I'm not sure of the specific requirements. I'm trying to find out.


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Peppery said:
He separated from the Marines, not retired, so he doesn't receive any pay and has limited benefits. And if he never deployed (not sure if this is true), he is not a veteran and not eligible for veterans benefits. He/they are likely getting very little if anything from the Marines.


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Whether or not he deployed is irrelevant. Since he served in the armed forces he's considered a veteran.

The mere thought of him being able to say he was honorably discharged makes me want to puke. Benefits, no benefits, I don't want him to think he did anything honorable because he didn't. He is a disgrace and embarrassment to all military, veterans and active.
 
(Not sure how WS posting works yet.) In reply to Knox re CL's child:

I am pretty sure that L has family to take care of her but the family is pretty torn up over this - her Grandma was crying at the verdict reading & her Mom was ranting (probably in reply to what someone said to her). Hard times for all but hardest for the perp's family since peace will be harder won. I feel really bad for the Grandma.

Channel 7 has a good video of NL ranting that's from a slightly different angle - it's at 59 seconds into the verdict video. At abc7.com.
 
la2cabo said:
Truth,
Do you know if sentencing will take place today as well? Is the family OK with him getting LWOP if he isn't sentenced to death? Something tells me your family isn't necessarily on board with the death penalty, which is why I'm asking.

It's been a long and difficult journey that's almost over. May you continue to have the peace that you've found.
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We don't have a problem with the DP at all. Looking at it from the victims side it is a lot less victim's family friendly. With the DP Chris would get multiple appeals. Which means this could drag on for YEARS. LWOP he can request an appeal 1 time. He isn't guaranteed that he will get the appeal. So we are totally okay with LWOP. Also the chances of the DP actually happening in CA was slim and none.
 
Knox said:
Was that Lee's Mother in the video, what did she say? Something and then put the camera down? Nichole followed and was silent?
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Nichole was the one saying "he's an ex marine, put the camera down" The person following quietly was not Chris's mother. I am not sure who she was, maybe Nichole's mom. They look a lot alike.
 
la2cabo said:
I would now like to see Lee stripped of his honorable discharge from the United States Marine Corp. He is not worthy and doesn't deserve it. He's an embarrassment to his brothers and sisters in arms and neither he or Nichole deserve the benefits an honorable discharge affords veterans.

To any military family who may be reading this post, I thank you from the bottom of my heart for your many sacrifices. As a Navy vet mom I know the sacrifices are endless. Muah!
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He did not get an honorable discharge. He got a less than honorable discharge. He was wanting to wear his marine uniform in court, but could not because it would have been a federal offence for anyone that did not have an honorable discharge to wear the uniform of a Marine.
 
sarahkate said:
(Not sure how WS posting works yet.) In reply to Knox re CL's child:

I am pretty sure that L has family to take care of her but the family is pretty torn up over this - her Grandma was crying at the verdict reading & her Mom was ranting (probably in reply to what someone said to her). Hard times for all but hardest for the perp's family since peace will be harder won. I feel really bad for the Grandma.

Channel 7 has a good video of NL ranting that's from a slightly different angle - it's at 59 seconds into the verdict video. At abc7.com.
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I disagree times will be hardest for his family. They can still communicate with him, they still get to tell him they love him.
 
Meemaw12 said:
Colin Atagi

Sorry, we didn't get video. You should try ABC7 in Los Angeles. They filmed it. Dateline NBC also was there for a future program.


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The ABC one is 20/20. I saw where BOTH abc20/20 and Dateline requested and received an OK from the court/judge for media coverage and filming. But it was back in
:thinking: April?
Anyway that was when the Trial was scheduled for May. It kept getting pushed ahead to later times/months. I messaged them both to see if they were still going to be there (since it was 6 months later.) They both sent back FB messages that they were indeed covering the trial, and remarked how sad and heartbreaking it this case was. :frown:

I already have my DVR set up to record all Datelines, 20/20's and 48 hours mystery's.
I'm sure most all sleuther's do as well. It cannot come soon enough for me.
Erin's case has particularly haunted me. I cannot think about her without my eyes welling up with tears.
 
truthbeknown said:
He did not get an honorable discharge. He got a less than honorable discharge. He was wanting to wear his marine uniform in court, but could not because it would have been a federal offence for anyone that did not have an honorable discharge to wear the uniform of a Marine.
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Thank you for clarifying. I'm not sure why I thought he got an honorable discharge but I'm glad he didn't.

Was he hoping to impress the jury with his uniform? What a joke! As far as I'm concerned him murdering Erin negates any good that he did as a Marine.
 
la2cabo said:
Thank you for clarifying. I'm not sure why I thought he got an honorable discharge but I'm glad he didn't.

Was he hoping to impress the jury with his uniform? What a joke! As far as I'm concerned him murdering Erin negates any good that he did as a Marine.
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I thought it was honorable because all the MSM were reporting it that way and I remember reading a list of stuff about him in one article that I can't find with his discharge, dates served, his MOS and other data that said it was from PAO.
 
Describes different types of discharge

Honorable discharge: An honorable discharge (HD) is what the majority of individuals receive after their service. An HD is representative of the individual’s ability to meet standards of conduct and performance of duty in the opinion of commanding officers. Additionally, if the service of the individual was exceedingly meritorious and warranted the award of a medal for valor or bravery then by default an HD would granted.
General (under honorable conditions) discharge: If commanding officers determine an individual’s service to be authentic and faithful—even if not always satisfactory—then a general discharge (GD) would be bestowed. Many times minor disciplinary infractions, failure to progress with training, or failure to maintain military standards such as dress, appearance, weight, or fitness can all result in the characterization of a GD.
Other than honorable discharge: Other than honorable discharges (OTH) are issued when an individual’s behavior constitutes a significant departure from the conduct expected of members of the military services. OTHs are the most negative type of administrative discharge available to those in military service. Factors that may lead to an OTH and should be considered include abuse of authority, acts of serious misconduct, fraternization, and a pattern of continued misconduct. Individuals that are often given this type of discharge distinction are those who receive court-martial convictions that don’t include punitive discharges.


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There's a benefit section also in the links


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I don’t find anything about a change in CL’s ‘honorable discharge’ status.
What has been reported is “honorable discharge”.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...over-christopher-lee-arrested-freed/12978927/
12:31 a.m. EDT July 22, 2014
http://www.desertsun.com/story/news.../erin-corwin-christopher-lee-arrest/12961823/
1:24 p.m. PDT July 25, 2014
Lee joined the Marine Corps in July 2008 and received an honorable discharge earlier this month, on July 7, three days after his arrest. He was a corporal and served as a rifleman with 2nd Battalion, 7th Marines, 1st Marine Division.

http://www.hidesertstar.com/news/article_234eb4a4-2d6d-11e4-b863-001a4bcf887a.html
August 26, 2014 3:05 pm
After a seven-week search, investigators found Corwin’s body Aug. 17 in a mine shaft on Bureau of Land Management property east of Joshua Tree National Park. They arrested Lee just hours later in Anchorage, Alaska, where he and his wife had returned after his honorable discharge from the Marine Corps.
 
SeesSeas said:
I don’t find anything about a change in CL’s ‘honorable discharge’ status.
What has been reported is “honorable discharge”.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...over-christopher-lee-arrested-freed/12978927/
12:31 a.m. EDT July 22, 2014
http://www.desertsun.com/story/news.../erin-corwin-christopher-lee-arrest/12961823/
1:24 p.m. PDT July 25, 2014
Lee joined the Marine Corps in July 2008 and received an honorable discharge earlier this month, on July 7, three days after his arrest. He was a corporal and served as a rifleman with 2nd Battalion, 7th Marines, 1st Marine Division.

http://www.hidesertstar.com/news/article_234eb4a4-2d6d-11e4-b863-001a4bcf887a.html
August 26, 2014 3:05 pm
After a seven-week search, investigators found Corwin’s body Aug. 17 in a mine shaft on Bureau of Land Management property east of Joshua Tree National Park. They arrested Lee just hours later in Anchorage, Alaska, where he and his wife had returned after his honorable discharge from the Marine Corps.
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Perhaps it was changed after he was arrested and admitted to the affair? The affair with another service member's spouse would have been enough to change his discharge. I'm not sure if it could have been changed due to the murder until after he was convicted.

Hopefully Truthbeknown will provide a little more clarification.
 
la2cabo said:
Perhaps it was changed after he was arrested and admitted to the affair? The affair with another service member's spouse would have been enough to change his discharge. I'm not sure if it could have been changed due to the murder until after he was convicted.

Hopefully Truthbeknown will provide a little more clarification.
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My understanding is that any downgrade from HONORABLE DISCHARGE has to go through strict NDRB procedures. The Board follows specific and lengthy guidelines when considering modification of discharge status.
Other discharge choices are BAD CONDUCT, UNDER OTHER THAN HONORABLE CONDITIONS, UNCHARACTERIZED, etc.

http://www.secnav.navy.mil/mra/CORB/Pages/Home.aspx
Naval Discharge Review Board (NDRB): The NDRB, acting per section 1553 of reference (b) and reference (d), reviews the characterization of service and reason for discharge or dismissal of former members of the Navy and Marine Corps (except those discharged by reason of sentence of general court–martial, or when more than 15 years has elapsed from the date of discharge to the request for review), and has the authority to change, correct, or modify any discharge or dismissal.

http://www.msba.org/Bar_Bulletin/2015/11_-_November/The_Discharge_Review_Board_Process.aspx
Discharge Review Board (DRB). The Army, Air Force, and Coast Guard each have their own DRB. The Navy and Marine Corps have a consolidated DRB.
 
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