GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #6

[la2cabo]

I also think he was charged with this just to get him in the system. However, potato guns are crazy dangerous. They are almost always mcgyvered at home and depending on the amount of alcohol involved in the production and use, quality control is often a bit lax. Depending on the propellent used, the ammo etc, it can kill a person. I don't care what you're shooting, if it can break the sound barrier, a marshmallow can kill. (No, I don't have any friends who build such things, why do you ask? I know nothing, nothing I tell you.)

If you're curious, wikipedia's article is pretty good. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spud_gun

My ex-husband used to have one. He is a fireman and he and all his buddies used to go to 29 and practice shoot with them.

My ex also used to say to me, in a semi-joking way, "watch it or I'll dump you in one of those mines and you'll never be found".

 

[Voice4theSilent]

Sorry...just catching up this morning. Don't know how to bring over a post from the last thread but was asked for a link to NL's Pinterest image I described.

Here it is: http://www.pinterest.com/pin/232005818275900900/

 

[FlamingoLady]

Sorry...just catching up this morning. Don't know how to bring over a post from the last thread but was asked for a link to NL's Pinterest image I described.

Here it is: http://www.pinterest.com/pin/232005818275900900/

Some very....interesting pins there:thinking:

 

[FlamingoLady]

I am troubled by really how stupid Nicole would have to be to tell IM the things she is reported to have told her. For someone supposedly trying to cover involvement in a murder, it just becomes unbelievable that Nicole would say the things she did in front of another person not involved in the crime. So I went back and looked again at the Probable Cause document. Is it possible that Nicole is furious that her husband appears to be a liar, she herself isn't a liar and doesn't get tongue tied, she might be saying. Could it actually be that she only very strongly suspects her killed her and is very irritated that he's bumbling with stupid excuses when she herself has no trouble with a clear line of answers? And then the statement that no body no crime - that's what a lot of us say here and also the belief that the body won't be found.

So. Rereading this, is it possible that Nicole only very strongly suspects him and is not involved herself?

edited to add: I guess that doesn't take into account she was probably seen at the car at 10 a.m.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1225468-1765-001.html

I completely see what you are saying. When I read the Probably Cause statement, I can see NL being frustrated/humiliated/beyond pissed (for lack of a better term) and just going off on CL in IM's presence. I don't get the impression NL directly told these things to IM.

 

[m_brown]

they would be stupid to not be lawyered-up by now, but then again...

we have likely all questioned their intelligence.

After Diane Zamora and David Graham lured his lover Adrianne Jones to her death, Diane was so overwhelmed with righteous vindictiveness that she couldn't resist telling a friend that they killed her. She was filled with vengeful hate and wanted people to know. When her friend asked if she regretted doing it, she was adamant that the answer was no. This is the context in which I see NL's comments. She may think there is no case without a body, and therefore feels free to thumb her nose at the police, Erin's family, etc. Zamora felt completely justified in killing Adrianne, and probably expected her friends to concur and keep the secret. Young psychopaths, even highly intelligent ones, are sometimes tripped up by their lack of fear and compassion.

Let's hope NL has said other stupid incriminating things, and that they come to light before they get all lawyered up.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Erin's case is coming up on Chicago news at noon.
Correction, ABC had a blurb at noon showing her picture.
The news at 4:00 p.m. will cover the story.

 

[77DarkHorse7]

I could be wrong. But any scenario involving the red (or green) car involves the killer(s) returning to the blue car and moving it after the murder, right? That is a very risky move. They just disposed of a body and they return to simply move the Toyota 100 feet. Very risky indeed.

Which is part of the reason I think this killing was not premeditated, at least not planned for this particular outing. The killer would have freaked out and tried desperately to erase any trace of his/her having been there, and wouldn't have been thinking about the additional trail they'd be leaving behind in doing this "erasing". In the alternative, the meet up could have been a complication the killer did not forsee but was not sufficient to deter the completion of the days intended goal. But I consider that less likely.

 

[NaturalSelection]

It seems to me that if the car was moved, it was because someone had to return to it for another reason (check it for evidence linking them to the crime/Erin) and figured they might as well move it to a less conspicuous spot. If this is what happened, it was still dumb to move it. Imagine if they find NL's DNA on the steering wheel. That's a tough one to explain...

 

[SCV_EagleJ]

I've been following this story since it started. I came straight to WS because I knew there would be lots of good info. I sleuthed a few cases last year but started to spend to much time on my computer and had to back off. Now i'm coming out of hiding to give my take on things. I've been trying to follow along as much as I can. Forgive me if I don't have all the details.

My first question is....Do we know if NL and CL went back to Alaska? Were they flying or driving? If they were driving, they could be anywhere by now. Just a thought. I personally don't think (unless I missed it) that they are back in Alaska. I can't imagine LE letting them leave after reading the search warrant.

I think EC was a very young naive 19 year old girl. Married her HS sweetheart, moved across country and thrown into military life. Being a military wife myself I have seen the drama. We are only reserve and I have witnessed it first hand. I can only imagine what its like on base. Being away from home, having a miscarriage and her husband having to put work first (the military always comes first. not his fault) I can see how easy it would be for her to stray. Especially being neighbors and them both having a love for the ranch. CL and NL have been together for a while. Probably have their own marital issues and CL found comfort in this sweet young girl. Probably innocent at first but led to other things. I think CL probably really liked this EC but knew he could never be with her. Seeing that NL was also involved in the ranch (pictures of her with the horses) she had her suspicions. Wives always do (been there done that). She was probably super excited that they were moving back home and away from EC. (Sidenote: Could the baby have been a way to try and keep CL. Maybe she made CL think it was his for sure but in reality it could have been CL or her husbands) NL then finds out EC is prego and flips. I think she bullies CL into taking care of it to save their family. They can hide the body and get out of dodge. I think IM knows but doesn't want to know what really happened. Like she has her suspicions but didn't want to be involved and kept quiet. Until of course LE started nosing around. Then she has to say something otherwise she might be an accomplice.

EC went to meet NL and go hunting or maybe JNP was the place they went to be alone. ( Could the mines be a cooler inconspicuous place to have sex?)My guess is this wasn't their first time there. They go out he turns on her and hides the body. I think he probably shot her and maybe buried her in the mines. Something not too messy otherwise I think LE would have found blood somewhere. I don't think they are that smart although NL thinks she is. I definitely think NL is the mastermind in all of this but CL had to clean up the mess he made.

I'm sure I'll think of more but that's all I can come up with right now. I sure hope they are able to get some and answers soon and EC husband and family can get some closure. I really feel for him.

 

[Knox]

Sorry...just catching up this morning. Don't know how to bring over a post from the last thread but was asked for a link to NL's Pinterest image I described.

Here it is: http://www.pinterest.com/pin/232005818275900900/

http://www.pinterest.com/pin/232005818275296838/
[url]http://www.pinterest.com/pin/232005818274679027/
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[Nora Charles]

I agree, because, as tvscum mentioned (below) that is a very risky move. If they needed to return to the car to remove evidence, they might have decided at that time to move it back off the road a little...but it seems like they still left it in a place it would be noticed pretty soon. Any way you look at it just reinforces to me that the parties involved weren't too bright.

It seems to me that if the car was moved, it was because someone had to return to it for another reason (check it for evidence linking them to the crime/Erin) and figured they might as well move it to a less conspicuous spot. If this is what happened, it was still dumb to move it. Imagine if they find NL's DNA on the steering wheel. That's a tough one to explain...

I could be wrong. But any scenario involving the red (or green) car involves the killer(s) returning to the blue car and moving it after the murder, right? That is a very risky move. They just disposed of a body and they return to simply move the Toyota 100 feet. Very risky indeed.

 

[SCV_EagleJ]

Some very....interesting pins there:thinking:

This one stands out to me. Pinned 11 weeks ago.
http://www.pinterest.com/pin/232005818278631944/

 

[Nora Charles]

This is the ONE reason I feel they didn't put her into a mine...just seems so painfully obvious to me, and LE has maps so it's just a matter of time. Also, it doesn't add up with NL's statement that they will "never find the body" either - especially since LE was already looking at mines when she said it. Either she is the stupidest person on the planet to live there for this long and not know LE will look in the mines, or that's not where the body is. (Yeah, I know, she very well may be the stupidest person on the planet!!)

I just wish they could find Erin quickly and give this family some closure.

It doesn't really seem like we're dealing with criminal masterminds here. If they were moving back to Alaska in a few weeks and CL was discharged, they didn't need to do anything to EC. Once released from the Corps and living in another state, paternity would be much harder to establish and it would be much more difficult to get money if that's what they were worried about. They could have just happily moved back to AK and disappeared into the wilderness.

To play devil's advocate, however, I will say, that anyone out there knows that the mines are the place to hide bodies. There are a number of missing persons cases in the area where that very thing is suspected. April Pitzer comes to mind.

BBM

 

[FlamingoLady]

http://www.pinterest.com/pin/232005818278414822/
Posted 16 weeks ago. Look at her comment underneath.

 

[rollinginit]

Why would Erin have told her best friend, who lives on the other side of the country, with zero relationship to any of the other people in California, a story that wasn't true?

Why lie to her? What would that do?

She had texts even saying that was going on:



And how could she be stirring up gossip and drama in 29 Palms from the other side of the country in a circle of people she didn't know?

She obviously hadn't spoken publicly to attest to any of this or a) we'd have known all this from her prior to the document releases, and b) if she'd been spreading it as a gossip somewhere, it'd have been found by all the WSers!

And if it's all a lie and someone's trying to put the focus on someone else, again, how does the best friend factor in?

LE got confirmation or what apparently was quite widely known or suspected in/around 29 Palms - from Erin herself, by way of her best friend. Who was thousands of miles away.

I just don't see how what you're saying above is possible given:

1. the best friend's testimony,
2. the best friend having texts detailing much of what others were saying
3. the best friend having those texts actually FROM Erin
4. the best friend being thousands of miles away
5. the best friend being completely removed from the relationship circle in 29 Palms
6. the texts having been sent before Erin disappeared (so they clearly aren't someone doing so after she was gone)

Or are you saying you think ERIN hatched all this up? :thinking:

That she's trying to frame the couple AND get out of her marriage AND walk away from her family and friends, so she's put this very elaborate scheme in place, even going back far enough to have planted "evidence" of a non-existent relationship to someone on the other side of the country (who, for all she knew, LE may never even know existed) or something?

And then what would be HER motive? She'd have lost everything AND had to figure out where to start over away from anyone who'd be tied to all of the above.

Because otherwise I just don't see how someone in 29 Palms could be creating all this "drama/gossip" when someone unrelated to it all, on the other side of the country, has physical proof of having been told basically all the "drama/gossip" from the actual person at the center of it.

What am I missing of how that can work?

I admit that it does sound possible that an affair did happen at one time. I just question if it was still going on. Maybe CL ended it, but Erin was the one that was still hopeful.

I never for one minute thought Erin's BFF was lying about the affair. I don't think Erin hatched anything up. I don't think she is vacationing on some island somewhere-getting away from it all. AND I don't think her BFF is the one stirring up the drama and gossip.

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Anybody that has read any of the facebook pages dealing with this case knows what I mean about the gossip spreading. There are many people that come on sites and claim to know so and so. Then they start the "well, I heard this happened" and BOOM....before you know it, it's being repeated as fact.

 

[nikb]

In most cases, I would think a best friend could tell if someone other than their best friend was texting them, especially if they texted often. I got a text the other day from someone's phone telling me they were sick. When I spoke with her later, I asked if she had had her significant other send the text because the linguistic patterns didn't match. The wording, the cadence and the punctuation were all off. They were grammatically correct, but they were not her. And this is not a person I text every day. Indeed, it was her S.O. (nothing nefarious, she was just too ill to cancel plans herself) People know how their friends talk and text.

I was thinking this same thing. I've texted on my husband's behalf before - at his request! - and people knew immediately it wasn't him. I think I'm too picky on spelling and correcting the auto-correct. Also nothing nefarious, just things like doing him a favor or he was driving at the time. I don't know how easy it would be to tell in a single short text, but I think in longer ones or multiple texts someone could tell, especially if that someone was reportedly a good friend and one she'd texted with before.

 

[Mels3kidz]

I'm not sure it was moved. The sister didn't seem completely sure - and so I think the investigation needs to be very open to the thought that the car remained there in the same spot after the woman got in the other vehicle (Jeep? Red sedan?)

But MB says that "Erin" walked around to the passenger side of the car. When the car was found there were remarks about footprints going from the driver's door of the Toyota and disappearing at the tire tracks of the other vehicle. No mention about tracks on the passenger side of the Toyota/ I think that the car was moved further in.

Mel

 

[hawkhd]

This one stands out to me. Pinned 11 weeks ago.
http://www.pinterest.com/pin/232005818278631944/

Somehow, I don't think killing the other woman was one of their 6 helpful tips...

 

[Mels3kidz]

I was thinking this same thing. I've texted on my husband's behalf before - at his request! - and people knew immediately it wasn't him. Snipped

My daughters do this all the time. I'll text one of them and her sister will answer pretending to be the other (its a grand game of "Let's fool Mom." Never works tho.

Mel

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I agree, because, as tvscum mentioned (below) that is a very risky move. If they needed to return to the car to remove evidence, they might have decided at that time to move it back off the road a little...but it seems like they still left it in a place it would be noticed pretty soon. Any way you look at it just reinforces to me that the parties involved weren't too bright.

Could this mean Erin never parked it there herself that day? It makes more logical sense to me she would meet him at the park since she told Jon that is where she would be. If her car was seen parked inside the park then it would have been in right place where it was supposed to be according to what Erin told Jon. So if anyone they knew saw the Corwin car parked there even if they called Jon he would just tell them 'yes, she is in the park looking for places to take her mom when she comes.'

With CL saying he arrived at the park around 7:30am it seems he expected to meet Erin there at that time.

She would park her car in the park and then get into his vehicle to go on this supposed 'hunting trip.'

Imo, that is why it had to be NL who moved Erin's vehicle from where she left it in the park to the location where it was found. There would be no need for Erin to meet him on the side of the road when both were going to the same park to meet. IMO And as far as we know no one saw Erin outside of the park from 7:00 am when she left the base until around 10 am when her vehicle was parked in the location it was found.

Imo, Erin went straight to the park that morning to meet CL and climbed into his vehicle there.

We know that all murderers aren't that bright. Whether it was risky or not I do think NL brought Erin's vehicle out of the park and parked it where it was found.

They knew they couldn't keep letting the car sit unoccupied in the park because eventually someone would notice it.