GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #6

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oceanblueeyes said:


Could this mean Erin never parked it there herself that day? It makes more logical sense to me she would meet him at the park since she told Jon that is where she would be. If her car was seen parked inside the park then it would have been in right place where it was supposed to be according to what Erin told Jon. So if anyone they knew saw the Corwin car parked there even if they called Jon he would just tell them 'yes, she is in the park looking for places to take her mom when she comes.'
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With CL saying he arrived at the park around 7:30am it seems he expected to meet Erin there at that time.

She would park her car in the park and then get into his vehicle to go on this supposed 'hunting trip.'

Imo, that is why it had to be NL who moved Erin's vehicle from where she left it in the park to the location where it was found. There would be no need for Erin to meet him on the side of the road when both were going to the same park to meet. IMO And as far as we know no one saw Erin outside of the park from 7:00 am when she left the base until around 10 am when her vehicle was parked in the location it was found.

Imo, Erin went straight to the park that morning to meet CL and climbed into his vehicle there.

We know that all murderers aren't that bright. Whether it was risky or not I do think NL brought Erin's vehicle out of the park and parked it where it was found.

They knew they couldn't keep letting the car sit unoccupied in the park because eventually someone would notice it.
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Thank you that makes a lot of sense to me...
 
I'm thinking this through, because meeting at the park does sound so much more logical. However, the car the witnesses saw at 10:00 was not in the location it was found. They said they saw it on the corner, but when it was found it was 100-150 feet away from the road.

Do you think they saw some unrelated people/cars? If that's the case, and Erin's car was never on the corner at all, it could have been moved to the "found" location any time up until it was found and reported by the water employee, which I think was Monday morning.

oceanblueeyes said:


Could this mean Erin never parked it there herself that day? It makes more logical sense to me she would meet him at the park since she told Jon that is where she would be. If her car was seen parked inside the park then it would have been in right place where it was supposed to be according to what Erin told Jon. So if anyone they knew saw the Corwin car parked there even if they called Jon he would just tell them 'yes, she is in the park looking for places to take her mom when she comes.'

With CL saying he arrived at the park around 7:30am it seems he expected to meet Erin there at that time.

She would park her car in the park and then get into his vehicle to go on this supposed 'hunting trip.'

Imo, that is why it had to be NL who moved Erin's vehicle from where she left it in the park to the location where it was found. There would be no need for Erin to meet him on the side of the road when both were going to the same park to meet. IMO And as far as we know no one saw Erin outside of the park from 7:00 am when she left the base until around 10 am when her vehicle was parked in the location it was found.

Imo, Erin went straight to the park that morning to meet CL and climbed into his vehicle there.

We know that all murderers aren't that bright. Whether it was risky or not I do think NL brought Erin's vehicle out of the park and parked it where it was found.

They knew they couldn't keep letting the car sit unoccupied in the park because eventually someone would notice it.
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Jmo I have no doubt that the affair-pregnancy was motive for murder. I also have no trouble believing stupid mistakes were made in acting out the crime and personally, expect very little intelligence from this level of criminal (someone who would kill a pregnant woman). I also think that hiding a body is almost too easy and does not take any great brain power. There are simply too many places she could be. Finding her will come to down to pure luck or a confession.
 
FlamingoLady said:
Some very....interesting pins there:thinking:
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I noticed several pins about pregnancy related articles, tips, etc. about a year ago, as well as one pin where a young girl is holding a small baby sibling and underneath the pin NL typed, "someday...". If NL was indeed hoping for another child with CL I can see where EC having his child would completely destroy her plans for the "neat and tidy" family she was hoping for.

Link: http://www.pinterest.com/pin/232005818275364371/
 
SCV_EagleJ said:
Except it was posted 2 years ago. It shows that she had a misscarage (sad) but irrelevant to this case. IMO
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Unless she hasn't been able to get pregnant since and was angry that EC got pregnant again so quickly (potentially with her husband)
 
Nora Charles said:
This is the ONE reason I feel they didn't put her into a mine...just seems so painfully obvious to me, and LE has maps so it's just a matter of time. Also, it doesn't add up with NL's statement that they will "never find the body" either - especially since LE was already looking at mines when she said it. Either she is the stupidest person on the planet to live there for this long and not know LE will look in the mines, or that's not where the body is. (Yeah, I know, she very well may be the stupidest person on the planet!!)

I just wish they could find Erin quickly and give this family some closure.

BBM
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Was it actually already out in the news that they were concentrating on the Old Mining District on July 1? I don't think that came out until much later. Maybe the Park, but I don't recall a thing about the mines until maybe a week ago.

Young, stupid, incredibly narcissistic with zippo empathy for human life. They don't understand how other people think and aren't necessarily old enough to have gotten really darn good at mirroring emotions of "normal" folks and master manipulation. That can take time.

I can't mix that taking a minute to move a car along a not-well traveled road (where they may have already been spotted by a witness earlier in the day by moving from one car to another right smack off the main road??) would be risky, but taking more than a few minutes to drive smack up to an easily accessible vertical mine and dropping a person --- living, i.e. injured and unable to call for help; or dead -- into a ready made grave.

No heavy labor in the oppressive heat. In and out real fast so you don't risk being seen.

Either they seriously care about being seen, or could care less.

Running mouth to ranch owner….I see that as NL could care less. They are above the law and smarter than it and just can't possibly fathom why anybody would really care about Erin.

RE: ranch owner. Could be that she really can't accept that people she probably saw as good, at least in the time she dealt with them at the ranch and their apparent financial support as well (sponsoring a horse generally means you are handing over money to help support them until adopted, or if they are not adoptable, as permanent resident)…and she maybe hasn't come to a place of acceptance that this may not be a joke after all. She may a victim of manipulation, who knows. But I'm not ready to crucify her just yet based on heavily edited news reports.

Back to mines. Whether from experience or some evidence we know nothing about, LE is concentrating in part on searching mines and there was a news story (don't make me find it please!!) that they were utilizing specially trained people to help search inside these mines. Air support, boot on ground. Feets in mines as well.

So they have reason to believe that's a good strong possibility. For perps who have not spent their lives in the area and would thus know all about every nook and cranny, I believe they took easy route dumping her. OR what they may have done involved tons of somebody's rage and I can't even take myself there.

But I'd be a bit shocked if they are remotely sophisticated killers or sat down and used their crystal balls to figure out every scenario that folks like WSers do.

Dunno if my question in #5 got answered as have not backtracked yet today, but does anybody know if there are security cameras at the Joshua Tree gates? TIA
 
I meant that a normal person who had a miscarriage should have some extra empathy toward EC, who had a miscarriage and was now pregnant. Granted, it was apparently by NL's husband, but if NL is involved in this, it just makes her seem all the more heartless to me...not that killing a pregnant woman isn't heartless enough by itself. I just think normal people have a "line" they won't cross because it is just too cruel...no matter what the person did to offend them. (Like even if someone bashed me publicly, I wouldn't share super embarrassing confidences about them to retaliate...just too cruel and overkill for the offense.) Obviously my lines are in a completely different country than theirs, because I'm continually shocked by what I read!

SCV_EagleJ said:
Except it was posted 2 years ago. It shows that she had a misscarage (sad) but irrelevant to this case. IMO
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Well no new info on the Fox News report. Shep even got some of the info mixed up, but whatever......I think we are all ahead of msm.
 
I have heard the erin corwin case (up to date) on news stations on the car radio today here in Los Angeles California.
 
oceanblueeyes said:


Could this mean Erin never parked it there herself that day? It makes more logical sense to me she would meet him at the park since she told Jon that is where she would be. If her car was seen parked inside the park then it would have been in right place where it was supposed to be according to what Erin told Jon. So if anyone they knew saw the Corwin car parked there even if they called Jon he would just tell them 'yes, she is in the park looking for places to take her mom when she comes.'

With CL saying he arrived at the park around 7:30am it seems he expected to meet Erin there at that time.

She would park her car in the park and then get into his vehicle to go on this supposed 'hunting trip.'

Imo, that is why it had to be NL who moved Erin's vehicle from where she left it in the park to the location where it was found. There would be no need for Erin to meet him on the side of the road when both were going to the same park to meet. IMO And as far as we know no one saw Erin outside of the park from 7:00 am when she left the base until around 10 am when her vehicle was parked in the location it was found.

Imo, Erin went straight to the park that morning to meet CL and climbed into his vehicle there.

We know that all murderers aren't that bright. Whether it was risky or not I do think NL brought Erin's vehicle out of the park and parked it where it was found.

They knew they couldn't keep letting the car sit unoccupied in the park because eventually someone would notice it.
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BBM

Affivadit says "Lee says he went hunting at JTNP on 6/28/14 at approximately 0730 hours." then mentions time he said he returned home. I take that as he departed at 0730, not that he was actually already at the park.

I.e. "I left about 0730 officer to go hunting and returned home at 1600."
 
escape2sc said:
from the affidavit.

" A single set of shoe tracks were found to lead from the driver door of Erin's vehicle and then disappear next to a set of vehicle tracks "

They did not specify how many sets of vehicle tracks were near Erin's car. Just because they did not mention other vehicle tracks , does not mean other tracks do not exist.
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documents (start of thread) say that they also took a pair of tan boots.

just saying here.. it takes at least several weeks to do soil sample analysis, tread analysis, and subpoena cell phone records for all involved phones. So personally :twocents: I think we are in a waiting game here forensics wise. If they do not find Erin soon I can just imagine that they are taking all the circumstantial evidence to the prosecutor and the next step will be a grand jury. NL is completely wrong in her alleged statements that no body means she is off the hook if she did indeed say that.

Further thought on the missing 45 yet 45 shell casings inside the car: if those shell casings are inside that could mean the weapon was fired from inside the vehicle and I hope they are testing for that. I do not see any sort of perp going out to pick up shell casings and putting them back inside the car.... Unless this guy keeps his spent shells in a mason jar for posterity purposes, I am sure we will hear more about this at a later date :twocents: and this is my opinion only. As for any other cars involved or tracks... the initial car find warrant was limited to that but frankly we don't know what else is going on so clearly there could well be more that we do not know about to include warrants that have been sealed after the latest documents published by cbs8 that were part of the public record.

:moo:
 
oceanblueeyes said:


Could this mean Erin never parked it there herself that day? It makes more logical sense to me she would meet him at the park since she told Jon that is where she would be. If her car was seen parked inside the park then it would have been in right place where it was supposed to be according to what Erin told Jon. So if anyone they knew saw the Corwin car parked there even if they called Jon he would just tell them 'yes, she is in the park looking for places to take her mom when she comes.'

With CL saying he arrived at the park around 7:30am it seems he expected to meet Erin there at that time.

She would park her car in the park and then get into his vehicle to go on this supposed 'hunting trip.'

Imo, that is why it had to be NL who moved Erin's vehicle from where she left it in the park to the location where it was found. There would be no need for Erin to meet him on the side of the road when both were going to the same park to meet. IMO And as far as we know no one saw Erin outside of the park from 7:00 am when she left the base until around 10 am when her vehicle was parked in the location it was found.

Imo, Erin went straight to the park that morning to meet CL and climbed into his vehicle there.

We know that all murderers aren't that bright. Whether it was risky or not I do think NL brought Erin's vehicle out of the park and parked it where it was found.

They knew they couldn't keep letting the car sit unoccupied in the park because eventually someone would notice it.
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Hi oceanblueeyes:
Convince me it is worth the risk to move it if they met in the park. So what if it's noticed? That's where she was going... We know they risk being seen by people near where they leave it, the car could break down, other drivers might recognize the car and wonder why he/she is driving it, etc.

Given that her car was reportedly seen where it was found in the past, I'm not convinced she wasn't picked up there, and am interested in why you think they would move it from the park. If you kill someone and dispose of them in such a way that you doubt they'll be found, why go near the car? The effort was successful at that point. Why take a chance?
 
Also, I doubt the shell casings were from the murder weapon, unless they can't find the gun that fired them. He'd have to be profoundly stupid to not dispose of those, but get rid of the gun.
 
There are security cameras at the gates, but not at the dirt road entrances - not even signs there.

And your quote below (BBM( is what gets me with every case. I really don't want to let myself "go there mentally" because it's just sooooo unspeakably evil!

anyoldtime48 said:
Was it actually already out in the news that they were concentrating on the Old Mining District on July 1? I don't think that came out until much later. Maybe the Park, but I don't recall a thing about the mines until maybe a week ago.

Young, stupid, incredibly narcissistic with zippo empathy for human life. They don't understand how other people think and aren't necessarily old enough to have gotten really darn good at mirroring emotions of "normal" folks and master manipulation. That can take time.

I can't mix that taking a minute to move a car along a not-well traveled road (where they may have already been spotted by a witness earlier in the day by moving from one car to another right smack off the main road??) would be risky, but taking more than a few minutes to drive smack up to an easily accessible vertical mine and dropping a person --- living, i.e. injured and unable to call for help; or dead -- into a ready made grave.

No heavy labor in the oppressive heat. In and out real fast so you don't risk being seen.

Either they seriously care about being seen, or could care less.

Running mouth to ranch owner….I see that as NL could care less. They are above the law and smarter than it and just can't possibly fathom why anybody would really care about Erin.

RE: ranch owner. Could be that she really can't accept that people she probably saw as good, at least in the time she dealt with them at the ranch and their apparent financial support as well (sponsoring a horse generally means you are handing over money to help support them until adopted, or if they are not adoptable, as permanent resident)…and she maybe hasn't come to a place of acceptance that this may not be a joke after all. She may a victim of manipulation, who knows. But I'm not ready to crucify her just yet based on heavily edited news reports.

Back to mines. Whether from experience or some evidence we know nothing about, LE is concentrating in part on searching mines and there was a news story (don't make me find it please!!) that they were utilizing specially trained people to help search inside these mines. Air support, boot on ground. Feets in mines as well.

So they have reason to believe that's a good strong possibility. For perps who have not spent their lives in the area and would thus know all about every nook and cranny, I believe they took easy route dumping her. OR what they may have done involved tons of somebody's rage and I can't even take myself there.

But I'd be a bit shocked if they are remotely sophisticated killers or sat down and used their crystal balls to figure out every scenario that folks like WSers do.

Dunno if my question in #5 got answered as have not backtracked yet today, but does anybody know if there are security cameras at the Joshua Tree gates? TIA
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