Found Deceased CA - Fang Jin, 47, flew to LA from China, train to Palm Springs, Morongo Basin, 21 Jul 2023, w/ John Root Fitzpatrick, 55, (fnd dec.), 30 Jul ‘23 #2

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So the one Ring camera he owns is pointed inside his house at his kitchen? I’m not buying that.

Maybe he was in the process of setting it up and learning how it worked.

I am a photographer, but if you look through the pictures on my phone you'll find a laughable number of shots of my feet, the inside of my purse and what I'm assuming is the sky.

MOO.
 
I think that's strange too - it is very close. However, in wandering around on maps.google this morning I'm seeing that there's more than one dropped pin out that way - with the name of a school. It's also an area where people go for geology fieldtrips (because of the minerals, because of the lava flow).


Yes, but that does NOT solve the problem of the decomp. In my view, the very earliest it could have been detected was 12 hours after death - and that would be highly unusual, out of the edge of statistical probability. For the decomp smell to have released enough into the home to be detectable on August 1, then perhaps whoever moved the body did so about 18 hours after death (although that's still stretching it - but it was hot out there, for sure).

IF JRF is the suspect, then I assume he arrived in Thermal in late afternoon/early evening. If JF was no longer alive at midnight on the 21st (just 1.5 hours or so after her last video), then the body had to remain in the trailer until around noonish the next day (and if the A/C wasn't on, then 18 hours would produce some products of decomp). But that means he didn't move the body to Thermal until about 6 pm - which is possible. We don't know what time the Thermal sighting was.

In that case, she is very near Thermal and probably not far off a road. It was done in panic and haste, IMO. Given that no attempt was made to remove JF's belongings from the mobile home, it seems reasonable to think he could have gone to Thermal with the specific goal of body disposal - but it really pushes the timeline into a specific position.

Because the smell of decomp was still detectable (even with the door open) on August 1.

Therefore, with this particular theory, I think we have to consider that there was a homicide (someone moved a body out of the mobile home - that's consistent with homicide, obviously). And it would have taken place at around midnight July 21-22.

On July 21, the high temperature in Morongo Valley was 120F (48.9C). The hottest point of the day for both July 21 and 22 was around 3 pm. The 22nd was a bit cooler (high was 114F), but the heat was more sustained (it was already 98F at 9 am on the 22nd). The overnight low was 88F (hot enough to heat a car past the point of sustaining life if the windows were up - I like to remember that 88F is still pretty warm). Surely JRF had A/C though?

It's still possible that he managed to leave the mobile home late afternoon/early evening on the 22nd and perhaps it was because the situation was rapidly and thoroughly going south (if it was an impulsive crime, JRF had to have spent time pulling himself together and planning.

This leaves his whereabouts on the 23rd a mystery. I'm sure LE is pondering these same questions. Rigor mortis, decomp rates, etc. And if someone used JRF's truck to move a body that was already into the second stage of decomp, then that truck will give evidence of that (cadaver dogs should be able to smell it, for sure).

It's even possible that JRF (or whoever was driving the truck) had the body with him at the Thermal campground (another explanation for the windows being down). In that case, the actions of that truck on the 23rd must surely be a big focus of this investigation. LE's first priority is to find Fang, of course. Organizing several desert searches is not easy - but I imagine they are making progress.

IMO.


I saw that there is a mention of Morongo Unified School District on the map, which is extraordinarily bizarre to me .

I cannot think of any school that would be in that particular area. None. Maybe they own the property and use it for students to explore?
 
Also, while the search warrant lists taking an sd card from the ring camera, looking online it looks like Ring does not have internal sd cards.


"When it comes to storing our cameras’ footage, we like to back it up in two ways; locally, like on a micro-SD card or hard drive, and on cloud storage. While none of Ring’s cameras have a slot for a micro-SD card, we signed up for 60 days of cloud storage, which starts at only $3 a month or $30 a year. From there, we downloaded the footage onto our phones, and from there, onto some hard drives we had lying around. So while local storage isn’t built into the Ring cameras, we managed to finagle it anyhow."

So, could it be that JRF had something similar to Ring, but not Ring?
 

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So the one Ring camera he owns is pointed inside his house at his kitchen? I’m not buying that.
Same. I think they are hoping to see coming and goings from the outside. Honestly if JFR did something with FJ, he would most likely be smart enough to delete footage. Unless he was disposing on her, wrecked his truck and died from exposure/injuries, and never got back to the house to delete footage.
 
I think that's strange too - it is very close. However, in wandering around on maps.google this morning I'm seeing that there's more than one dropped pin out that way - with the name of a school. It's also an area where people go for geology fieldtrips (because of the minerals, because of the lava flow).


Yes, but that does NOT solve the problem of the decomp. In my view, the very earliest it could have been detected was 12 hours after death - and that would be highly unusual, out of the edge of statistical probability. For the decomp smell to have released enough into the home to be detectable on August 1, then perhaps whoever moved the body did so about 18 hours after death (although that's still stretching it - but it was hot out there, for sure).

IF JRF is the suspect, then I assume he arrived in Thermal in late afternoon/early evening. If JF was no longer alive at midnight on the 21st (just 1.5 hours or so after her last video), then the body had to remain in the trailer until around noonish the next day (and if the A/C wasn't on, then 18 hours would produce some products of decomp). But that means he didn't move the body to Thermal until about 6 pm - which is possible. We don't know what time the Thermal sighting was.

In that case, she is very near Thermal and probably not far off a road. It was done in panic and haste, IMO. Given that no attempt was made to remove JF's belongings from the mobile home, it seems reasonable to think he could have gone to Thermal with the specific goal of body disposal - but it really pushes the timeline into a specific position.

Because the smell of decomp was still detectable (even with the door open) on August 1.

Therefore, with this particular theory, I think we have to consider that there was a homicide (someone moved a body out of the mobile home - that's consistent with homicide, obviously). And it would have taken place at around midnight July 21-22.

On July 21, the high temperature in Morongo Valley was 120F (48.9C). The hottest point of the day for both July 21 and 22 was around 3 pm. The 22nd was a bit cooler (high was 114F), but the heat was more sustained (it was already 98F at 9 am on the 22nd). The overnight low was 88F (hot enough to heat a car past the point of sustaining life if the windows were up - I like to remember that 88F is still pretty warm). Surely JRF had A/C though?

It's still possible that he managed to leave the mobile home late afternoon/early evening on the 22nd and perhaps it was because the situation was rapidly and thoroughly going south (if it was an impulsive crime, JRF had to have spent time pulling himself together and planning.

This leaves his whereabouts on the 23rd a mystery. I'm sure LE is pondering these same questions. Rigor mortis, decomp rates, etc. And if someone used JRF's truck to move a body that was already into the second stage of decomp, then that truck will give evidence of that (cadaver dogs should be able to smell it, for sure).

It's even possible that JRF (or whoever was driving the truck) had the body with him at the Thermal campground (another explanation for the windows being down). In that case, the actions of that truck on the 23rd must surely be a big focus of this investigation. LE's first priority is to find Fang, of course. Organizing several desert searches is not easy - but I imagine they are making progress.

IMO.
I'm thinking on 7/21 JF and JRF were headed back to the mobile home. The truck was captured on camera in Thermal on 7/22. My concern is that something happened in the trailer with a 3rd party on the night of the 7/21. If JRF was killed that night and his body moved on 7/22, would that leave a smell of decomp? Have any articles stated what time of day that camera captured JRF's truck in Thermal? It would stand to reason JF may have been taken to the same area JRF was found, especially if her backpack was found in the area.
 
I do believe DH has access to JRF’s home. IMO, their bond grew during JRF’s 16-month treatment program. After violating its terms (driving on dui-suspended license) the first month, he completed the program 4/26/23 without further incident. DH would nave been instrumental in shuttling JRF to the commissary and probation review appts as well as serving as a sounding board, IMO.
The seized SD card from Ring camera has recorded the comings and goings at site #48 for how long?
In SW #2 (8/3), in addition to three phones seized, what does “living room” mean?
Has there been a time stamp associated with the 7/22 Thermal pic of blue truck?
Re cleaning photos: immediately creeped me out. Only because LE asked DH if in possession of any photos and the sneakingly-snapped images is all he had? Could have been taken by JRF and sent to DH, or vice-a-versa, with offensive intent, IMO.
And there are others in this group? The SW mention of the duct tape man 7/3? That pic of JRF in the CBS-8 report, flanked by two men looking scary despite being pixelated.

ETA: ‘living room’
 
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Don't unfriend me.

Are we positive that's JRF in the photos?

Yes, JRF is confirmed dead.

But is it possible there's a second guy in the equation, the one in the photos?

Don't hate on me. I'm asking for a friend.

jmo
 
@tarabull

The thing that stands out the most to me about this particular location is the proximity to the Rose of Peru mine where Erin Corwins body was found.

I think that's strange too - it is very close. However, in wandering around on maps.google this morning I'm seeing that there's more than one dropped pin out that way - with the name of a school. It's also an area where people go for geology fieldtrips (because of the minerals, because of the lava flow). The nearby Amboy crater is much visited.
 
I think those are screenshots from a security camera. Where risk of theft is high, it's reasonable to have cameras aimed inward.

JF may have been there alone and simply found ways to be busy....

To me, they're proof of life stills.

Jmo
 
I saw that there is a mention of Morongo Unified School District on the map, which is extraordinarily bizarre to me .

I cannot think of any school that would be in that particular area. None. Maybe they own the property and use it for students to explore?
I think it's simply one way for Google to label unincorporated areas, to use something other than simply "California" or whatever the state is.
Entering Morongo Unified School District in Google Maps gives the precise boundaries of the district, and by careful scanning of the map you can see that the OK Mine location I described a few pages back falls within the district's boundaries.
 
Just thinking about the decomposition smell. Humans, rats, cat, dogs, steaks, leftovers, left out, etc can all smell the same after a few days. LE smelled decomposition, but doesn't sound like they found traces of anything. Usually there is leakage if there is something dead for awhile resulting in that smell. Definitely hard to fully wrap a human and not have spillage or traces of "human juice". Even Hefty bags ooze or leak.

This is far fetched, but wondering if the trailer isn't really a dead body crime scene. If DH's concern was the trailer being left abandoned. He was unable to reach his friend. Like, JRF and JH returned home after shopping/night out. Some one followed them. They had not settled in, put things in the fridge or whatever. DH comes around a few days later after not hearing from them, is concerned, innocently tosses out rotting food, something like steak in styrofoam and a bag wouldn't leak or leave juices but sure would smell, then notifies police. Door left open a crack for smell or he didn't close it properly and wind blew open.

LE could know far more about the scenario then we do. Keeping certain details under wrap. Is his house taped off as a crime scene and secured? Do we know?
 
I think those are screenshots from a security camera. Where risk of theft is high, it's reasonable to have cameras aimed inward.

JF may have been there alone and simply found ways to be busy....

To me, they're proof of life stills.

Jmo
I thought about this, but if you look at the 2 pictures, they are in the same place but the angles are different. In one there is a blue blanket like thing and another it is gone. Camera would be fixed. If a indoor camera, it also seems it is placed in a way that certainly doesn't capture a whole room like you would want. I think the stills are recorded from DH phone secretly. IMOO.
 
I thought about this, but if you look at the 2 pictures, they are in the same place but the angles are different. In one there is a blue blanket like thing and another it is gone. Camera would be fixed. If a indoor camera, it also seems it is placed in a way that certainly doesn't capture a whole room like you would want. I think the stills are recorded from DH phone secretly. IMOO.

I wondered about that too.

To me, it looks like the camera was in the same location, perhaps just zoomed in more.

Can you do that with security cameras?

MOO.
 
Don't unfriend me.

Are we positive that's JRF in the photos?

Yes, JRF is confirmed dead.

But is it possible there's a second guy in the equation, the one in the photos?

Don't hate on me. I'm asking for a friend.

jmo
Very possible. Anything is possible. Bunch of punks carjack them, go joyriding, wreck the truck, and die out in the desert. Though it sounds like his wallet was found in one part of the disarticulated remains. But nothing is out of the question. I do think something occurred to them both, like JRF is also a victim.
 
Also, while the search warrant lists taking an sd card from the ring camera, looking online it looks like Ring does not have internal sd cards.


"When it comes to storing our cameras’ footage, we like to back it up in two ways; locally, like on a micro-SD card or hard drive, and on cloud storage. While none of Ring’s cameras have a slot for a micro-SD card, we signed up for 60 days of cloud storage, which starts at only $3 a month or $30 a year. From there, we downloaded the footage onto our phones, and from there, onto some hard drives we had lying around. So while local storage isn’t built into the Ring cameras, we managed to finagle it anyhow."

So, could it be that JRF had something similar to Ring, but not Ring?
How about this one:

”Your Ring Alarm Pro can process your videos right on your device and store them on a MicroSD card inserted into your Ring Alarm Pro. To use this feature, you'll need a MicroSD card, a Ring Protect Pro subscription, and a Ring Alarm Pro Base Station.”
 
I think that's strange too - it is very close. However, in wandering around on maps.google this morning I'm seeing that there's more than one dropped pin out that way - with the name of a school. It's also an area where people go for geology fieldtrips (because of the minerals, because of the lava flow).


Yes, but that does NOT solve the problem of the decomp. In my view, the very earliest it could have been detected was 12 hours after death - and that would be highly unusual, out of the edge of statistical probability. For the decomp smell to have released enough into the home to be detectable on August 1, then perhaps whoever moved the body did so about 18 hours after death (although that's still stretching it - but it was hot out there, for sure).

IF JRF is the suspect, then I assume he arrived in Thermal in late afternoon/early evening. If JF was no longer alive at midnight on the 21st (just 1.5 hours or so after her last video), then the body had to remain in the trailer until around noonish the next day (and if the A/C wasn't on, then 18 hours would produce some products of decomp). But that means he didn't move the body to Thermal until about 6 pm - which is possible. We don't know what time the Thermal sighting was.

In that case, she is very near Thermal and probably not far off a road. It was done in panic and haste, IMO. Given that no attempt was made to remove JF's belongings from the mobile home, it seems reasonable to think he could have gone to Thermal with the specific goal of body disposal - but it really pushes the timeline into a specific position.

Because the smell of decomp was still detectable (even with the door open) on August 1.

Therefore, with this particular theory, I think we have to consider that there was a homicide (someone moved a body out of the mobile home - that's consistent with homicide, obviously). And it would have taken place at around midnight July 21-22.

On July 21, the high temperature in Morongo Valley was 120F (48.9C). The hottest point of the day for both July 21 and 22 was around 3 pm. The 22nd was a bit cooler (high was 114F), but the heat was more sustained (it was already 98F at 9 am on the 22nd). The overnight low was 88F (hot enough to heat a car past the point of sustaining life if the windows were up - I like to remember that 88F is still pretty warm). Surely JRF had A/C though?

It's still possible that he managed to leave the mobile home late afternoon/early evening on the 22nd and perhaps it was because the situation was rapidly and thoroughly going south (if it was an impulsive crime, JRF had to have spent time pulling himself together and planning.

This leaves his whereabouts on the 23rd a mystery. I'm sure LE is pondering these same questions. Rigor mortis, decomp rates, etc. And if someone used JRF's truck to move a body that was already into the second stage of decomp, then that truck will give evidence of that (cadaver dogs should be able to smell it, for sure).

It's even possible that JRF (or whoever was driving the truck) had the body with him at the Thermal campground (another explanation for the windows being down). In that case, the actions of that truck on the 23rd must surely be a big focus of this investigation. LE's first priority is to find Fang, of course. Organizing several desert searches is not easy - but I imagine they are making progress.

IMO.

Is it possible the "smell of decomposition" was necessary to get a warrant but not entirely accurate?
 
I saw that there is a mention of Morongo Unified School District on the map, which is extraordinarily bizarre to me .

I cannot think of any school that would be in that particular area. None. Maybe they own the property and use it for students to explore?

That happens all over Google - the school does not own land there, IMO. But they probably go on field trips there and people drop pins when they take photos (often). There are thousands of dropped pins all over Google maps with strange labels (sometimes of a business; I just ran across a pin that someone used to upload all these weird messages to Google, it almost looked like the messages were designed to harass someone - but it was posted on a pin that someone dropped out near Joshua Tree).

That spot where the MUSD pin is does look like a possible parking spot for a school field trip (flat and sandy nearby). It's a great place for a science fieldtrip.
 
Humans, rats, cat, dogs, steaks, leftovers, left out, etc can all smell the same after a few days

This isn’t correct on a chemical level:


However, whether the average human nose can actually distinguish between the decomposition scents of a human, a pig, or a mouse I’m not sure about.

Usually there is leakage if there is something dead for awhile resulting in that smell.

That occurred to me too, although technically a strong odor can be detected before stage 3 (‘active decay’) starts.

Still, aside from the odor, we don’t know why a homicide supplement was added to the police report. Possibly, as others have said, it was the smell and the absence of a source (meat on counter, etc).
 
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