Poppyflower
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Yes, I thought this might be the case.
I said sleeping pills but that could be benedryl as well as it is used as a sleep aid. I also thought Jen took it too and just as she felt the start of drowsiness floored the gas...sounds like she had a few drinks to make it easier.
Going back my theory about drugging them...Did Jen drug Sarah's drink or were they in on it and Jen was the "brave" one and Sarah slept it out?
My earlier posts:
"If we think Sarah was in on it as much as Jen, than maybe it was a collaborative effort to drive off the cliff. With CPS at their heels and the amount of abuse, the kids would for sure be taken away, they would be arrested and their reputations even further tarnished. The future was looking very dim for them. One last hurrah with the kids at the beach in California or they were pissed and the kids were suffering even further during those days of running.
I'm curious about any prescriptions found in their home as well as otc sleeping meds. In addition, what was purchased at Safeway- were there any otc sleeping meds bought that day?
If Sarah was ready to die but couldn't be the one to actually drive off the cliff, she could have taken sleeping pills- hell, they all could have taken sleeping pills except for Jen. Unless she took it a bit later than everyone and at the first signs of sleepiness she floored the gas pedal. Could Jen have put sleeping pills in drinks? I would think they would make the drinks taste nasty and undrinkable? With the abuse, I can imagine she probably could just threaten them to take the pills. Maybe while Sarah was going to the bathroom, away from the suv and kids, Jen has them all take the pills and just puts Sarah's pill in whatever she was drinking.
Jen could rationalize the murder-suicide in her warped mind even easier, because this would ensure they were indeed sleeping and wouldn't feel or know a thing.
all speculation on my part...moo..."
"Here are my theories from earlier in the thread:
After reading Jenn's facebook post from summer 2017, where she lists all the things that have gone wrong in their lives, I think so much happened in a short amount of time that it could lead to a downward spiral of feeling completely overwhelmed. Which can effect humans most basic needs and that leads to a lot of horrible states of mind (like lack of sleep- sleep deprivation is a form of torture), a spanking going out of control (public humiliation, major guilt, embarrassment from it happening and then more out of control spankings = double those feelings) and a depression that led to severe depression.
Maybe somewhere in the middle of all that stress, then starts the suicidal ideation. Those thoughts build and become more frequent and plans start playing out. The thought becomes more comfortable and comforting. The song about driving into the ocean (that their friend wrote) becomes a symbol and almost a goal. It is familiar and almost sacred and peaceful. I think after thinking about it for awhile now and the peak of CPS coming, neighbors calling, the thought of the kids being taken away (or possible arrests?) was the straw that broke the camel's back. She is already in an altered state of mind due to the years of major stress and trauma. They could have found prescriptions for Jenn that could be the red flags they referred to.
Suicidal people are often the most at peace just prior. I remember the mom in Oregon who stopped and got the sleeping pills and trail mix on her way to commit suicide and if I remember correctly, Leanne Bearden in TX had a power bar in her backpack. Jenn stopped at Safeway because until you actually drive off that cliff, you still need to feed the family.
I think it was the middle of the night and everyone was sleeping when Jenn made her move.
1. Everyone was sleeping so she could get away with it, I do not think she would kill them if she had to look them in the eye.
2. She could rationalize further in her head that none of them would know what was going on- their lives would just end.
3. No people, parked cars or traffic- or a very reduced amount.
I don't think being belted in or not matters. No one would survive that crash either way.
Unfortunately, I think the 3 kids and any pets who are missing were washed out to sea. I don't think Jenn would have done this without everyone being there.
The person that spotted the SUV called police at 3:39 pm. A high tide and many, many hours spent at the bottom of the cliff could very well wash everything out to the ocean.
Rest in peace kiddos"
Also, Jen and Sarah were smart enough to know cameras are everywhere. I'm thinking those kids didn't leave the car unless it was in a remote place and only to use the bathroom. moo
I said sleeping pills but that could be benedryl as well as it is used as a sleep aid. I also thought Jen took it too and just as she felt the start of drowsiness floored the gas...sounds like she had a few drinks to make it easier.
Going back my theory about drugging them...Did Jen drug Sarah's drink or were they in on it and Jen was the "brave" one and Sarah slept it out?
My earlier posts:
"If we think Sarah was in on it as much as Jen, than maybe it was a collaborative effort to drive off the cliff. With CPS at their heels and the amount of abuse, the kids would for sure be taken away, they would be arrested and their reputations even further tarnished. The future was looking very dim for them. One last hurrah with the kids at the beach in California or they were pissed and the kids were suffering even further during those days of running.
I'm curious about any prescriptions found in their home as well as otc sleeping meds. In addition, what was purchased at Safeway- were there any otc sleeping meds bought that day?
If Sarah was ready to die but couldn't be the one to actually drive off the cliff, she could have taken sleeping pills- hell, they all could have taken sleeping pills except for Jen. Unless she took it a bit later than everyone and at the first signs of sleepiness she floored the gas pedal. Could Jen have put sleeping pills in drinks? I would think they would make the drinks taste nasty and undrinkable? With the abuse, I can imagine she probably could just threaten them to take the pills. Maybe while Sarah was going to the bathroom, away from the suv and kids, Jen has them all take the pills and just puts Sarah's pill in whatever she was drinking.
Jen could rationalize the murder-suicide in her warped mind even easier, because this would ensure they were indeed sleeping and wouldn't feel or know a thing.
all speculation on my part...moo..."
"Here are my theories from earlier in the thread:
After reading Jenn's facebook post from summer 2017, where she lists all the things that have gone wrong in their lives, I think so much happened in a short amount of time that it could lead to a downward spiral of feeling completely overwhelmed. Which can effect humans most basic needs and that leads to a lot of horrible states of mind (like lack of sleep- sleep deprivation is a form of torture), a spanking going out of control (public humiliation, major guilt, embarrassment from it happening and then more out of control spankings = double those feelings) and a depression that led to severe depression.
Maybe somewhere in the middle of all that stress, then starts the suicidal ideation. Those thoughts build and become more frequent and plans start playing out. The thought becomes more comfortable and comforting. The song about driving into the ocean (that their friend wrote) becomes a symbol and almost a goal. It is familiar and almost sacred and peaceful. I think after thinking about it for awhile now and the peak of CPS coming, neighbors calling, the thought of the kids being taken away (or possible arrests?) was the straw that broke the camel's back. She is already in an altered state of mind due to the years of major stress and trauma. They could have found prescriptions for Jenn that could be the red flags they referred to.
Suicidal people are often the most at peace just prior. I remember the mom in Oregon who stopped and got the sleeping pills and trail mix on her way to commit suicide and if I remember correctly, Leanne Bearden in TX had a power bar in her backpack. Jenn stopped at Safeway because until you actually drive off that cliff, you still need to feed the family.
I think it was the middle of the night and everyone was sleeping when Jenn made her move.
1. Everyone was sleeping so she could get away with it, I do not think she would kill them if she had to look them in the eye.
2. She could rationalize further in her head that none of them would know what was going on- their lives would just end.
3. No people, parked cars or traffic- or a very reduced amount.
I don't think being belted in or not matters. No one would survive that crash either way.
Unfortunately, I think the 3 kids and any pets who are missing were washed out to sea. I don't think Jenn would have done this without everyone being there.
The person that spotted the SUV called police at 3:39 pm. A high tide and many, many hours spent at the bottom of the cliff could very well wash everything out to the ocean.
Rest in peace kiddos"
Also, Jen and Sarah were smart enough to know cameras are everywhere. I'm thinking those kids didn't leave the car unless it was in a remote place and only to use the bathroom. moo
