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Please do not bring race into the discussion. There is no established fact in this case to support speculation that race is an issue in the crime.
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If the dose of Benedryl was lethal and it was given to the family the first night of travel, it would explain why no one saw the children. Their bodies would have been in the car the entire time.
I am not sure one can give teens a lethal dosage of benadryl. I think they would throw up and be very ill, but would not die immediately.
I say that only because my friend/neighbor and her husband accidentally gave their 10 yr old way too much benadryl. Both the wife and the husband were giving their child his allergy meds, not realizing the other parent was doing so also. When they figured it out they rushed him to the emergency room and were told that it takes about 10 or 20 x the normal amount to make a child seriously ill.
I think the kids were given the benadryl to make them sleepy.
ETA:
Recently, Winnipeg paramedics had to rush a 16-year-old boy to hospital after he took 20 capsules or 500 milligrams of Benadryl.
"He was hallucinating, he was delusional," said the boy's mother, who did not want to be identified. "He was so out of control, to the point he had to be restrained."
"If you take too much or take it in combination with alcohol, it can depress the body too much, to the point you go into a coma and die,” said Sheri Fandrey from the AFM.
https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/mom-says-teen-nearly-died-from-allergy-medication-overdose-1.1503133
Benedryl does pose toxicity threats to infant and younger children but, as you speculated, it's almost impossible to actually kill someone on its own. You would need at least 2 grams of it. 850 mg is considered a level that might cause cardiac problems but, considering that most pills are 50 mg, you'd be looking at 17 tablets or something-and that's still no guaranty that they wouldn't throw them up. Benedryl is mostly lethal when it's mixed with another drug, like an opioid, that has an effect on the central nervous system.
I don't think Benedryl was used to kill the children but I could definitely go along with the idea that it was used to put them to sleep.
I think he looks particularly bad, to me, in this photo. His lips are paler than his face!?! I wish they were stained slightly purple from all the delicious blackberries. I don't know if he is hunched over to be close to his sister or...? His arms are all skin & bone & sinew. His eyes seem very far away and sad, to me.
I know the post that accompanied this says M "let" Jen take the pic, but I interpreted that to mean he cooperated with her directions that day and the resulting photo was deemed "acceptable" for posting. Smdh.
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http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...f/2018/04/deadly_hart_family_crash_may_h.html
Something that's not making sense to me is earlier I was thinking this might've been done to save their reputations. Make it look like an accident. JH and/or SH might not have known about a black box on their vehicle (I didn't know till this case), but they had to know bodies would be autopsied when located. So there would be proof it likely was not an accidental run off a cliff. I'm wondering if whatever they were running from would've cost them more than public humiliation and the kids being taken away, it would've been more like prison for one or both of them?
I've seen a lot of comments on how nice the kids' teeth are and how they must have had dental care (with the exception of Hannah), but I'm wondering if Jen could've edited those photos to make them look commercial-worthy.
If you zoom in on each of their mouths, Sierra seems to have something going on in the right side of her mouth, though it's hard to make out. On Markis, his very last tooth on the right looks far darker than the rest of his teeth. Devonte's very last tooth on the right looks darker too. I also noticed he appears to have some sort of sore or maybe a split lip on the left side of his bottom lip.
Please feel free to call me out if I'm just seeing things.
If she had been driving on the highway, was drunk, and ran off the side over the cliff, I'd say it could be accidental for sure.
But the way this happened, coming to full stop, then accelerating 70 feet towards the cliff, no braking----seems like it was on purpose. Drunk or not. JMO
The very last thing the two adult Harts tried to do was to raise up children to be healthy, happy, independent human individuals. The silencing and ultimate extinguishing of these six vibrant, potential-filled youngsters breaks my heart, and the betrayal they suffered from the legal and child welfare system, which never bothered to listen to them or to assess their inability to thrive in an adoptive placement, absolutely enrages me. Alarms were sounded, repeatedly, but no agency bothered to look beyond the glib words of the saviors to whom these youngsters were entrusted, and investigate what their salvation consisted of, exactly.
Not one article I have read about the Harts even mentions any of the six childrens individual personalities, achievements, or interests. The only child we have learned anything at all about is Devonte, the familys golden child, apparently chosen by his moms to be the familys designated star and we know something of the individual he was not because of the famously staged photo op he was subject to, but through his genuinely heroic efforts to find help and food for himself and his siblings. This family was all about its adult members and their carefully curated public image, an image maintained through the performance skills of their harshly trained troupe of coerced young actors.
To me, their teeth look great. We could nitpick on slight imperfections but I think, overall, they're pretty fantastic looking teeth. I live in an area in which dental care is almost nonexistent. Our state is constantly getting "picked on" for having either the worst, or one of the worst, teeth. (Many people in my state don't have dental insurance and, those that do, don't have great coverage. It's mostly down to once a year cleanings, fillings, and simply extractions.) I've seen my share of "bad" teeth and I'd take a mouth full of almost any of the Harts' kids.
With that being said, don't take my words as being defensive of the Hart mothers. It's possible that the kids just had good genetics for their teeth; the state of their teeth doesn't necessarily mean that they got good dental care.
The Harts fostered another girl named Lee before they adopted the Hart siblings.
Sorry, I don't have a link...maybe someone else does, though![]()
Yes,there are links in back threads. Lee herself even talks in an article about her time with the Harts .https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...rtbreak-though-not-the-way-some-might-expect/
In the blackberry picture, does anyone else think it looks like Sierra's clavicle has been broken? Her right side doesn't look like a regular clavicle.
The children never went to public school again...were they "homeschooled?"
Looking on Sarahs mothers FB, she looks like she would be very accepting. Maybe the family did not approve of the harsh way the kids were treated
In the blackberry picture, does anyone else think it looks like Sierra's clavicle has been broken? Her right side doesn't look like a regular clavicle.