SaguaroSpirit
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I feel bad for the DeKalbs. They did what they thought was right, when they thought it was right.
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In a few articles. They kept saying that the kids had eating disorder/hoarding issues to explain away their claims of having food withheld. Then their friend Nasheen said they told her the kids would never be able to move out, have jobs, get married. All 6. http://www.koin.com/news/crashes/jennifer-hart-friend-im-more-confused-than-before/1129169442
Article with FBI press release about continuing the search for Devonte and Hannah. It includes the hugging Xavier Rudd video for those who havent seen it.
http://kymkemp.com/2018/04/19/fbi-continues-search-for-two-missing-hart-children/
Trees and Finns. Honestly, it's the middle of nowhere. Logging country.What is in the Naselle area? Were there events there? Great camping?
I think the entire focus should be on the Hart women. THEY are the ones who were directly involved with these children. WE all have lost these beautiful children,because of their actions.I feel bad for the DeKalbs. They did what they thought was right, when they thought it was right.
IMO, this was always the couple's plan.The children lacked any survival skills required to fit in the current age in terms of technology and other essential tools and knowledge. Imagine a teenager in 2018 who doesn't have a mobile phone, an email account, a primary-education degree or a licence to drive a car. They were destined to live in seclusion and be used as extra numbers in camps and rallies. Slogans and pretentious phrases the couple put in the children's minds don't qualify a young man / woman for work market. It only guarantees them more bullying by others till they choose to withdrew from the public space and stay with their manipulative parents. it is another control tactic to be left with no choice but staying with your abuser. Those two nasty women had been killing the children slowly over a decade, leaving them no choices in life then literally killed them. JMO
Trees and Finns. Honestly, it's the middle of nowhere. Logging country.
I don't see what's so weird about this. This is how people from relationships and friendships. They have similar interests and meet at an event. They connect and offer to stay in touch. This woman also happened to be a Black woman adopted by a white mom. She could relate to that so she offered to help. What's so strange about that? Humans do this all the time. They relate and try to connect with each other. It's not like she invited herself to their house or anything. Plus I'm sure they bonded and chatted for a bit. I doubt she just walked straight up to them out of nowhere and said, "Hey I want to mentor your kids!" And she followed up which means Jen provided her contact info. When you provide contact info that's basically giving them permission for you to contact them.
A conscientious adopted parent should want her kids to connect with other people from their culture and probably appreciate an opportunity like this. Actually a conscientious adoptive parent wouldn't insist on living in an all-white town after adopting POC kids, which would've greatly reduced the need for a mentor anyway. If you live in a diverse town, your child will have natural opportunities to meet and develop relationships with people from their culture anyway, thus reducing the need to specifically find a mentor.
That is just weird. The Harts adopted kids from hard places and I could see that some of them may find certain levels of independence challenging. But the chances that all six were that significantly affected by their histories seems slim.
I have a handful of children from hard places. We would never limit any of them. The goal is to give them everything we can to show them as much of a future as we can prepare them for. We want them to have choices, independence to the degree reasonable individually, to be contributing members of society, to be happy and healthy. It is likely one of mine may need a LOT of support into adulthood; but the goal is to still let him confidently handle what he will be able to (job, housing, education?). And again, its ONE, not all of them.
The chances it would be ALL, unless you take only extremely medically fragile children, possibly, seems sooooo slim.
And what's really crazy is that people who knew and interacted with the kids and saw how articulate they were and how...normal for lack of a better word, didn't question such absolute and incredible statements? They blindly believed this couple, IMO because they represented something unassailable - peace-loving, meditating, lesbian parents of a whole bunch of children of color, constantly oppressed and attacked by racists and homophobes. I feel that automatically gave them credibility in their progressive circles and so I guess their friends just guzzled down all the Koolaid they served based on those factors.
My gosh so many red flags in what several of their friends have said. But they were beyond criticism or even skepticism I guess.
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Maybe the women warped their friends' sense of reality by providing "proof" of their words. They could have taken small, normal things that the kids did and then used them as examples as to why the kids were "disabled" or whatever the word is they might have used. Or they could have exaggerated a lot. Explanatory wise, they could have been good at convincing people that the children behaved in a completely different way at home. "Oh, see how well Devonte is eating today at the festival? You should have seen him last night at home-he was hoarding food and binging until he threw up. We HATE keeping food away from him but we're really afraid for his health!"
If the women were convincing at talking about doctors' visits, diagnoses, etc. then it was probably pretty easy for people to deny any nagging doubt they had.
If there's one thing that narcissists and Munchhausen by Proxy people are good at, it's fooling the public. We have no real proof that these women had either thing, I am just thinking back to other cases and how people in the families' lives didn't "catch on" too quickly.
This is where we get to enjoy different opinions. I think it's weird for someone to ask to "mentor" my kids right off the bat, before even getting to really know us. I prefer friendships to take a more organic approach, with us spending time together first. And it's perfectly fine for me to think this. You may not think it's weird and that's perfectly fine, too.
Scary. Oh I'm sure they were doing this and quite good at it. It's creepy.
I think I'm experiencing something like it in my office right now. A colleague who works in the building has had a litany of ever-increasingly horrible things happening to her. But I became skeptical because it's all just too much. The most recent thing she's told me (after life-threatening heart problems that would cause her to have to radically change her entire life, to debilitating, untreatable migraines, major health issues and legal issues and death among close relatives, and much more) is a new life threatening health issue that again is going to cause her to have to give up her career - suspiciously like the first but different. But I googled what she told me and it's not what she said. Oh she also claims she has no insurance, can't get any and the treatments necessary to saving her life are astronomical.
So I;m skeptical but i think she has another colleague fooled and is getting pity and other stuff from that person. I think she also tells all of us different things and swears us all to secrecy so no one compares notes.
It's very weird. And very easy to get fooled. People like this are good at what they do.
Scary. Oh I'm sure they were doing this and quite good at it. It's creepy.
I think I'm experiencing something like it in my office right now. A colleague who works in the building has had a litany of ever-increasingly horrible things happening to her. But I became skeptical because it's all just too much. The most recent thing she's told me (after life-threatening heart problems that would cause her to have to radically change her entire life, to debilitating, untreatable migraines, major health issues and legal issues and death among close relatives, and much more) is a new life threatening health issue that again is going to cause her to have to give up her career - suspiciously like the first but different. But I googled what she told me and it's not what she said. Oh she also claims she has no insurance, can't get any and the treatments necessary to saving her life are astronomical.
So I;m skeptical but i think she has another colleague fooled and is getting pity and other stuff from that person. I think she also tells all of us different things and swears us all to secrecy so no one compares notes.
It's very weird. And very easy to get fooled. People like this are good at what they do.
Considering that we all know that befriending kids is a well known tactic of pedophiles, your cautious approach makes sense. It’s no guarantee, but I too would be taken aback by a casual acquaintance making such an offer. Helping with hair is one thing, but “mentoring” is quite another. However, I’m also inclined to think that Jen and Sarah didn’t want any of their friends to get too close.
Considering that we all know that befriending kids is a well known tactic of pedophiles, your cautious approach makes sense. It’s no guarantee, but I too would be taken aback by a casual acquaintance making such an offer. Helping with hair is one thing, but “mentoring” is quite another. However, I’m also inclined to think that Jen and Sarah didn’t want any of their friends to get too close.