In the slippers?His DNA was found in the slippers, though? Although I can't exclude that he left it during the prior visit.
I don't know. This is the first time I hear of this.
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In the slippers?His DNA was found in the slippers, though? Although I can't exclude that he left it during the prior visit.
They constantly change it in Wikipedias. Once it was in Japanese one, I don’t know if it stayed. But, this fact is practically an open secret, all forums discuss it. In fact, it raises the biggest question in terms of, did he enter as a guest and then started killing and when it got slippery, he came back and put on own sneakers? Or did he use the slippers the day before?In the slippers?
I don't know. This is the first time I hear of this.
Which slippers are you suggesting here? A pair of spare house slippers? The only mention of slippers were Mikio’s on the staircase. Do you mean Mikio offered the killer his own slippers to wear in the house? Or do you mean the guest slippers in the genkan were all tested for DNA? Could you kindly provide a source for this?They constantly change it in Wikipedias. Once it was in Japanese one, I don’t know if it stayed. But, this fact is practically an open secret, all forums discuss it. In fact, it raises the biggest question in terms of, did he enter as a guest and then started killing and when it got slippery, he came back and put on own sneakers? Or did he use the slippers the day before?
They changed their name. It was different before. I think the person is a kid.@FacelessPodcast,
About the petition:
- Vsevolod Ibragimov is not the real name, of course, but whoever prompted it has a relative that speaks Russian
I agree with you that DNA would blow this case wide open, ignoring the problem that there is no real DNA database in Japan before the criminal one that the killer is already absent from. That leaves with international databases. That could certainly prove fruitful. It seems as if change is coming on this from, even if it takes a very long time.- The person who wrote the petition definitely masters better English but intentionally made it sound as if written by a non-native.
- The timing is interesting. To be honest, in Russian-speaking communities this case has not been of much interest. Whoever could, had already made own youtube videos. There is not much new to report.
- Cases like this attract freaks, but "the lady doth protest too much". The petition is made to sound grotesquely looney.
- The goal is not to draw attention to some mysterious 54-year-old Korean-Canadian-American working in IT. Although I would not be surprised to find out that someone's relative indeed, continues to travel to Japan, for whatever reason.
I have two opposing theories:
the reneved interest to the case has made someone anxious. Perhaps your poi is pretty realistic, so here comes a petition that, in a lump of nonsense, hints at your idea being along the same looney tunes, so to say.
If this is so, then timewise, posting links to Yokota school yearbooks has ignited something.
The opposite theory: anything to revive the interest to the case because it is a dead end street.
My opinion: the answer to the case will be via the DNA. Maybe the next petition to TMPD should be about it/s
No apologies necessary, @Lalalacasbah. The thread is so big, nobody can keep track of these things anyway. Welcome! And thanks for your ideas.Forgive me, I'm always late to interesting cases and trying to catch up. This is an overwhelming one, lot of pages! I've been reading to try to not repeat thoughts, discussions, etc.
I'm in a rush today but a few questions and thoughts I have (again sorry if already discussed a million times, I have tried to keep track!):
In all likelihood it was merely highlighter pen. Of the many investigative avenues, this one seems among the least promising according to all the conversations I've had.1. Was that chemical agent ruled out not to be connected to graffiti paint or stage set/design? I know traces in the garage but the theatre connection gets me a bit...
I don't know about consensus. I do, however, think he used a car. And it hasn't been discounted. It would also solve a lot of the issues around his escape.2. Sounds like a car is the consensus to leave crime scene. Sounds like a skateboard wouldn't be used because the distance theorized?
I've posted extensively on the skater thing. In short, the TMPD have gone after skaters for 24 years. Fingerprinted scores of them. I've spoken to some of these guys who used to skate at the park. One even had memories of Mikio coming out, asking them to keep the noise down (politely, and they all did as asked). They were all eliminated from the case. I don't say it's impossible that a slight could've been the trigger for these murders. Only that there is practically zero in this case that links the murders to skaters.3. I can't shake the skateboarder/car park confrontation either as a possible trigger as mentioned upthread recently by @SteveL ... My father worked in a maximum security prison interviewing violent and dangerous offenders (Canada) and mentioned many murders are committed because something as little as a 'put down'. Comment made, attacker stews on it for hours, days, weeks and even months then goes back to commenter and commits murder.
I disagree on the violence. Not that it's not a possibility -- it is -- just that we could argue it either way. We don't know the driver for the difference in murders. It could be hatred. It also could be that, as he killed Rei first, he wanted to stay as quiet as possible, and with Mikio, he then needed to remove the threat. Maybe the violence visited on Niina and Yasuko was driven by a pathologic hatred or rage towards women. Or maybe it was simply that now he felt free to 'let go' as it were. Or maybe what angered him was that his plan was imperfect, he had hurt himself and bled everywhere -- for all he knew in that moment, he was going to be caught, tried and hanged. No way he could've known he would be free all these years later. To be clear, what I'm disagreeing with isn't the possibility of an incel before incels had this term. Only that, if it were his motive re: Yasuko or Niina, I think the TMPD would've uncovered that by now. And if we're going by his actions in the house, that could be argued in a number of different ways.4. This almost seems like incel before there was incel in a way. The females were brutalized more - even after death. I wonder if attacker was acquainted with the mother in some form (in passing, teaching, at a store, a put down or whatever) and she was the ultimate target and rest collateral damage (awful thing to say). I wondered about the 2chan/4chan connection if there was any type of 'incel' type discussions happening way back then. Oddly, this has case gives me Idaho 4 vibes in a way too.
It's not been totally ruled but, as per my recent posts, there's so much wrong / illogical in the premise, that I think it's comfortably the least likely.5. Has it been totally ruled out the killer wasn't let in through the front door? If there was any brief acquaintance in passing at all (theatre, friend of Mom' student, kid from the skate park/park) maybe he was let in even accidentally or if feeling disarmed if attacker sounded like he needed help.
I think the idea that a known person would come for a late night visit and Mikio would let him upstairs where his family was asleep is highly unlikely. Also, remember that the killer took off a handkerchief that was pinched in the front which the TMPD say is from his nose -- put another, he was masking his face. It's technically possible he might've taken it off at the door to smile for the peephole and just had it in his hand or pocket. But I find that unlikely given the sequence of murders / his actions. This is a man that didn't want his face to be seen.IIRC the etiquette and culture is different in Japan and most folks don't knock on other's door but I can't remember what I read on that here. If I get a knock at our door that time of night, I would look who and ask and decide to open it. Someone could've came to the door acting as a good samaritan - telling the Father 'hey your car door is open' or something. ETA: I realize this thought is moot. Rei was killed first so the timing and order of events wouldn't make sense being let in I don't think
I've posted this a hundred times; there is ZERO evidence of the slippers. I don't care what wikipedia says (without solid links by the way, they're mostly dead or just mentions of a newspaper and the month of publication). I can tell you categorically that there is no evidence the killer knew the family or had been in their house prior to the murders. So, unless LE was lying to my face for no real reason, we are free to believe the official line of investigation, or a wikipedia page entry -- after hitting the translate button, no less.In the slippers?
I don't know. This is the first time I hear of this.
Which slippers are you suggesting here? A pair of spare house slippers? The only mention of slippers were Mikio’s on the staircase. Do you mean Mikio offered the killer his own slippers to wear in the house? Or do you mean the guest slippers in the genkan were all tested for DNA? Could you kindly provide a source for this?
Respectfully, the killer used the computer on the 1F while tending to his wounds with a sanitary towel that was found discarded next to it. He went up and down the staircase, stepping over the two bodies on the landing and the one at the bottom of the staircase while dumping documents and throwing around drawers from cabinets. Any inference that the killer’s foorprints only went in an upward direction is unlikely given the circumstances. In any case, this could just indicate he stabbed Mikio at the top or on the staircase before pushing him down to the bottom and the bloody footprints were him running back up again to climb the ladder to the loft to kill Yasuko and Niina.Esteemed @Incoherent
Where I am now, it is easier to look for sources in Chinese
世田谷一家殺害事件 - 維基百科,自由的百科全書
zh.m.wikipedia.org
“Blood-stained shoe prints were found on the stairs leading from the first floor to the mezzanine. However, the shoe prints started from the middle of the stairs and went toward the upper floor. Therefore, the police suspected that the murderer might have taken off his shoes at the entrance, but after the murder, Because the floor was covered with blood, I had no choice but to put on my shoes again when heading to the second floor [ Note 2 ] .”
About the DNA in the slippers, I shall look up separately- as I have said, there are tons of sources online.
They changed their name. It was different before. I think the person is a kid.
I agree with you that DNA would blow this case wide open, ignoring the problem that there is no real DNA database in Japan before the criminal one that the killer is already absent from. That leaves with international databases. That could certainly prove fruitful. It seems as if change is coming on this from, even if it takes a very long time.
As for the post above, there is so much wrong with it, I don't even know where to begin.
Respectfully, the killer used the computer on the 1F while tending to his wounds with a sanitary towel that was found discarded next to it. He went up and down the staircase, stepping over the two bodies on the landing and the one at the bottom of the staircase while dumping documents and throwing around drawers from cabinets. Any inference that the killer’s foorprints only went in an upward direction is unlikely given the circumstances. In any case, this could just indicate he stabbed Mikio at the top or on the staircase before pushing him down to the bottom and the bloody footprints were him running back up again to climb the ladder to the loft to kill Yasuko and Niina.
Furthermore there is no link to any source on that Wiki and it just says Sankei Newspaper 2002.
The killer going up and down the staircase, using the computer on the 1F, discarding the sanitary towel next to it, taking money from the shelves down there, dumping documents, throwing cabinet drawers, is all factual though. It is impossible for the only footprints found to be going up the staircase. The TMPD have explicitly stated Rei was killed first so how could the killer begin downstairs with Mikio and work his way up? By that time blood was absolutely everywhere and he was injured, yet nothing was found on Rei. It simply does not make sense.I’ll try to find the one with the links. I can take in people’s opinions, but I can’t subscribe to any theory so far, because no official theory exists, just an incredible number of clues without the main one.
I had read somewhere I can't remember if on thread or article he was non-verbal, which is on some spectrums of autism and makes sense.This is just purely to add information to my previous post re: Rei’s disability, where I said I hadn’t read specifically what he had. Going back through An Irie’s posts on Twitter from 2016 she says that Rei had already been diagnosed with autism, and also that he had a developmental disorder.
I have to think that TMPD must know his escape transportation and would they possibly be keeping this close to the vest? I'm unsure Japan LE do this like Canadian/US LE do - where they keep key elements of crimes and things only the killer would know to themselves. The killer must've left a bloody trail from shoes and an odd drip from his wound, no? That would lead to where a car might be parked on main road or if on foot (around back let's say) or bike (main road or trail), etc. I find it a little crazy he didn't leave a trail. I imagine this was discussed way back in the threads already, I should try to search!I don't know about consensus. I do, however, think he used a car. And it hasn't been discounted. It would also solve a lot of the issues around his escape.
I guess I had wondered if a foreigner/son of military/army brat student did skateboarding in his spare time while bored (I get the impression the killer is one to get bored easy - everyone else is below him kind of arrogance). So maybe not one of the regular gang who lived there and are still there. Someone who came and went but witnessed exchanges with Mikio/skaters. I wonder if those you interviewed remembered any "tourist" skaters or ones who suddenly weren't there anymore.I've posted extensively on the skater thing. In short, the TMPD have gone after skaters for 24 years. Fingerprinted scores of them. I've spoken to some of these guys who used to skate at the park. One even had memories of Mikio coming out, asking them to keep the noise down (politely, and they all did as asked). They were all eliminated from the case. I don't say it's impossible that a slight could've been the trigger for these murders. Only that there is practically zero in this case that links the murders to skaters.
Oh I didn't know this... about masking his face. That almost says he thought he'd be recognized. I get burglars will wear creepy masks/toque things and whatnot but this seems to signify he did interact (if even briefly) somewhere they might recognize him, otherwise why bother hiding the face if random?I think the idea that a known person would come for a late night visit and Mikio would let him upstairs where his family was asleep is highly unlikely. Also, remember that the killer took off a handkerchief that was pinched in the front which the TMPD say is from his nose -- put another, he was masking his face. It's technically possible he might've taken it off at the door to smile for the peephole and just had it in his hand or pocket. But I find that unlikely given the sequence of murders / his actions. This is a man that didn't want his face to be seen.