CA CA - Hannah, 16, Devonte, 15, & Sierra Hart, 12, Mendocino County, 26 March 2018 #1

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From what I recall of Oregon you cannot pump your own gas. They take that very seriously. So if they got gas in Oregon there should be a witness. Also the rest stops in Washington and Oregon are the best. Free coffee and cookies at many and I think they always have people on site even overnight. If the Harts traveled a lot they would know the areas and know where to park closest to the bathrooms & avoid interactions with anyone. That would have been a chance for the 3 to make a run for it. IF say one mom stayed in car with 3 and other mom escorted 3. I'm sure LE has thought of that. The restrooms are really great there, can't imagine making that drive without a few stops. Anybody know if there are missing flyers up anywhere?
My thoughts on the penny in the pocket are how dare she have a penny! Where did she get it? I'm thinking if the one child is asking for tortillas and peanut butter that they are not allowed any of their own money. It's a power thing.
Missing teeth child, I think she is the one in the rainbow wig in the "blah, blah beautiful" picture. It's not 2 front teeth but closer to eyetooth and next tooth over. Fine on a child but not on someone that has all of their adult teeth.

If they used a bank card, to pay for the gas they should already know where they filled up. Unfortunately gas station attendants fill up hundreds of cars a day. I doubt that most of them pay any attention to who is in the cars.
 
Is the other 3 kids are in fact in the water is their anyway for police to be able to tell? Like can they get divers to check? If they do have any hope of retrieving the kids from the water they need to do so sooner rather than later apparently you decompose faster in water not trying to be graphic. Maybe the neighbors seen the whole family leave thats why police think that all the kids were there.

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"Divers have been unable to enter the ocean for the past several days because of dangerous conditions, Mendocino County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Greg Van Patten said."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...f-cliff-had-troubled-home-life-neighbors-say/


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I have just seen photos where the family are dressed in red shirts with Thing1, etc on them. Hoping it's not another Turpin scenario

I have read a few articles & looked again at the pic, the kids are thin to me. And looking at the pic of Devonte again hugging the cop the look on his face is like a silent cry for help.
 
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Just like the Turpins. All these Fake happy FB photos pretending to be great parents and one big happy family.

Brainwashed the children for their cult.
 
I think the person being quoted is mis-representing events. He "presumes" DH was terrified. Why does he presume this? Did he talk to DH? Does he know DH? There are a lot of reasons why DH was crying at that moment. This was a hugely emotionally charged moment in Portland and in the country. He is a young black male, in a society that views him as violent and dangerous as a rule. He could have been sad, overwhelmed, scared, angry.... This family went into seclusion after this event because DH's photo was spread around the world, without his permission. As a juvenile, any media sharing his photo would have had to have his family's permission, which they did not give. They were harassed, and received death threats (lesbian couple, six black kids, lots of reasons for simple-minded, racist, homophobic folks to get upset...)

The simpler story is likely the truth. Family deeply involved in social justice, kid goes to many events carrying his free hugs sign, at this event the kid is overwhelmed by the situation and Ferguson, being a black boy. He may have real fear of cops at that point, which would be understandable....

If it wasn't THIS particular family involved in that moments i might agree with you. First of all, at the time of this scene, Devonte was an 11 year old boy living with white parents surrounded by mostly white people (given the demographics of the places where they lived and the festivals they frequented) in what seems to be a middle class to upper middle class lifestyle. I highly doubt he knew much about the systematic oppression black people face in this country except what his crazy parents might have drilled into his head. Perhaps they didn't cause him to feel fear of the police but I didn't read his face as fearful.

Also, this child has been filmed in another scenario engaged in a lengthy and extremely emotional and very intense encounter with an adult performer, during which both were weeping and staring intently into each other's sea. .

I'm guessing this is not an unusual scenario for Devonte. I have a feeling he was given a lot of attention and approval from his parents (not to metió not bystanders) for "performing" in this way. And my gut is this is performance.

Oh I don't doubt he was feeling things. But it smacks of acting.

I saw some outtakes of the Florida Project. The main little girl actress had a very intense scene at the end where she is in full close up, crying piteously, gasping for air, choking out words. She looked like a toddler just sobbing like a baby.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VhiKhrJiClY
Incredible acting scene.

In the outtakes section the clip shows the scene being filmed. It was incredible how damn close the director and staff and all the camera really were to her during the scene. And right at "cut", the director swooped her up in is arms and whisked her away, hugging her tight as she continued to wail and sob even harder after the scene had ended.

Oh she was feeling real and intense emotion. But that doesn't mean the whole scene wasn't totally staged.

Its my perception here.
 
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They look just like the Turpins. Fat parents with skinny kids. You know who was getting the food.
 
Wouldn’t let the kids have TV’s, video games, radios or electronics cool toys but the women posted on social media online.

Hypocrites!!!
 
I'm skeptical unless there is proof of death threats. I have seen many people lie and fabricate persecution. I have a family member who did this. She cut off the entire family and was lying to everyone else claiming they cut her off and were persecuting her. Others I've known online claiming they were being targeted and threatened and extensive probing finds that it was fabricated.

So when a family with a documented history of abuse claims they received death threats and isolates themselves I'm left very much doubting any substantive threats. I mean surely these threats were reported to the police and the police followed through on them. There should be something other than just online claims to friends etc. The police would have taken it seriously. If you had death threats serious enough to move and isolate yourself you should have something to back it up.

They claimed they were being threatened so they needed to move to the middle of nowhere, pull their kids out of school, punish them by depriving them of food, avoid the CPS visits and then their supporters decide they must have just accidentally drove off a cliff. Sure... When CPS shows up you don't not answer the door, load up the truck and go driving on the precarious edge of a cliff for a better view.

BBM. Holy ship!!! Exactly. I mean come on now.
 
They look just like the Turpins. Fat parents with skinny kids. You know who was getting the food.

Money from the government taxpayer money Meant for the kids but instead women stuffing their faces then killing the kids.

Poor children they were the women’s meal ticket. Social services needs to crack down on this. They fail the children. This happens again and again.
 
Wouldn’t let the kids have TV’s, video games, radios or electronics cool toys but the women posted on social media online.

Hypocrites!!!

I totally thought that when I found their Facebook profiles and the one woman’s very expensive professional looking camera she used to take shots of Devonte while he hugged the officer.
 
I totally thought that when I found their Facebook profiles and the one woman’s very expensive professional looking camera she used to take shots of Devonte while he hugged the officer.

Yes I’m a photographer I noticed that nice camera and lens.
 
According to LinkedIn, Sarah Hart worked at Kohl's as an Assistant Store Manager Operations / CFH.

Glassdoor has the average total pay for that position at Kohl's being 53K per annum. 53K doesn't sound anywhere near enough to support 8 people.

Did they buy that Woodland house or rent? I've read both in different articles.
 
There are three ways to enter California from Oregon. all 3 ways have agriculture border stations where you need to declare any produce/fresh food/plants.
I hope LE has checked with these 3 places, to verify when they passed through and who was in the vehicle.
 
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This is a long post, so I apologize in advance. (Roll and scroll if needed!) I wanted to explain my thinking.

One of the very disturbing issues that stand out is the family’s insular/ isolated lifestyle. The kids were home schooled, and from all indications, had few or no friends outside of their sibling group. While the family participated in “social justice” rallies, environmental rallies, and political rallies, this is vastly different than having peers, friend relationships, and ordinary relationships with adults in various roles (family, teachers, coaches, etc).

The kids were reaching out to adult neighbors with relative frequency, for attention, comfort, reassurance, and connections, whether or not they were “actually” starving—the food requests by Devonte being the basis for his reaching out.

It’s a delicate thing to criticize families who are so dedicated to one another, and who present such a unified “front” to the world. And especially delicate to criticize people who are often perceived as persecuted for their lifestyle. Certainly deep and loyal family bonds are admirable, dedication to worthy causes is admirable and altruistic, and dedication to political causes and candidates demonstrates concern and engagement in one’s community. Just as some families are deeply religious, and practice a lifestyle that is isolated by choice, deeply dedicated to their interpretation of their faith, and limit their social contacts to those with whom they share their deeply held beliefs.

Homeschooling, in and of itself, is a noble and wonderful choice for many motivated parents. But homeschooling has also been used to divert attention from an abusive environment at home.

There is a fine line between forthright engagement in these kinds of activities as a positive channeling of one’s own inner drive, and a genuine motivation to engage in them for deeply held principled reasons, versus indoctrination, and coerced "groupthink".

Which is why it is imperative that before criticism is levied, one has to give deep and critical consideration to “why” some of these choices are justifiably worrisome. It is all too easy for some to say that criticism of these women, their lifestyle, and parenting choices is persecution, bigotry, or intolerance, because not everyone agrees with their activism, progressive lifestyle, choices for building their family, and political ideologies.

This is delicate territory, just as it is with families where there are concerns about religious child abuse, abusive religious indoctrination, and religious emotional/ intellectual manipulation.

Children will be exposed to the ideas and deeply held beliefs of their parents. That’s true whether we are talking about religion, culture, or political/ social ideas. Plenty of families, for example, “force” their kids to attend religious services, or religious schools, against the “will” of the child.

If we compare social/ political rallies and protests as a “form” of deeply held convictions on the part of the parents, to deeply held religious convictions and activities surrounding religion, it is easier to begin to determine whether the child is participating because he or she is “forced” to do so, or because it’s a “family activity”, or because the child/ teen actually wants to participate.

For many kids, not going to religious services isn’t an option. For the Hart kids, I don’t think it was an option to “think differently” or “opt out” of participating with their moms in their extensive political, social, and protest activities.

I think the kids were indoctrinated, intellectually and emotionally manipulated, and isolated from most other people in society—EXCEPT for preparation and attendance at these numerous rallies, when they were showcased as heroes for the various causes. The moms were hailed all over the country and the internet as heroes for adopting such difficult and traumatized kids, and raising them to be “socially conscious” and politically active, even at such a young age. The kids were props for the activism of the mothers, IMO. Certainly enthusiastic and smiling props, but props nonetheless, IMO.

The mothers were only in their early 20s when they adopted the first 3, and already engaged in social and political activism. That continued with the second set of sibs. IMO, the mothers appeared to use this lifestyle of activism as a substitute for the type of parenting that each individual child needed so badly. Parentally prescribed and guided activism as a substitute for therapy, or normal social development, and engagement with peers. Again, JMO. I think they did far more damage socially and psychologically to these kids by that parenting strategy, than they did good.

The kids, IMO, had no life experience to develop any ideas of their own, no peers, no other adults—teachers, coaches, religious leaders, extended family—to help them develop their own ideas as they grew into teens. Their life experience was highly controlled, IMO.

The kids had no activities of THEIR OWN to pursue and succeed in as individuals—no sports, academics, activities, interests, apart from “the group” activities of the family.

We know from the neighbors at 3 locations that the kids seldom left the house. Any activities were things like family camping—no clubs, sports, hobbies, or friends outside the family.

That’s fine when kids are toddlers and young schoolagers, but emotional and intellectual needs change as kids move into their teen years. IMO, that is a worrisome situation for a healthy family unit. IMO, these kids were somewhat trapped in the “activist” lifestyle their moms prescribed for them—yet the kids likely wanted to please the moms by their enthusiastic sign lettering, chanting and participation at rallies, etc. They wanted to show that they were good little soldiers for the cause, even if they were far too young to have more than a very basic, biased understanding of the issues they were encouraged to support or protest.

It’s just my personal opinion, but as I read more about Devonte and the “free hugs” campaign, I was deeply, deeply disturbed. I think these kids were far too young to be put into those situations, especially given their traumatized backgrounds and isolation. I know not everyone will agree with that, but IMO, it’s perfectly fine for the moms to be activists and put themselves out there at rallies, protests, etc—but it’s another thing all together to make protesting and social justice a mandatory family activity—especially with kids who are vulnerable because of their history, and isolated socially. Most parents would try to shield young kids and young teens from that kind of pressure and controversy, until they were late teens at least, and able to make choices for themselves.

Devonte had a particularly horrific background when he and his sibs were adopted. He had a number of serious emotional, psychological, and developmental challenges. The "free hugs" activities at the protests, his obvious emotional reaction to what was going on, the "viral" picture, the pressures and criticisms that happened after that-- all of that played into his reaching out to the DeKalbs. He was asking-- begging for help-- and not just the food. IMO, he was exploited as a prop-- as were all the kids in their participation at these rallies and protests.

I feel pretty certain that the DeKalbs calling CPS because of their concern for Devonte is the stimulus for the rapid departure of the family, and the reason the SUV ended up at the bottom of the cliff. This was a confluence of many aspects of their lifestyle over years. It may have been an impulsive choice by Jen (driver) alone to drive off the cliff. Or, it may have been a joint decision with Sarah. It is possible the 3 missing teens were in the car when it went over, or they may be dead somewhere else. But IMO, there is zero possibility it was just a tragic accident. And I think there is zero possibility the 3 missing teens are alive somewhere else.

Wow. This is a brilliant post. I so agree with you.

Of course all kids learn the values and ideals of their parents and most people adhere to them as they age. But most people have the opportunity to learn different perspectives. Here you have super traumatized kids thrust into politically and emotionally charged arenas, offering close physical contact with total strangers and being taught the fearful message that the world is full of oppressors and authorities and others who would harm them due to their skin color and the identity of their parents. Yes there is reality to that but I feel these parents were zealots and zealously imparting a message to kids who already came from a combat-like situation in their birth homes and now are thrust into another intense fight.

I'm aligned with the parents ideologically. And I understand the urge to find it hard to view such people as possible monsters if you share similar beliefs. But I'm really with you 100%. I think they were narcissistic zealots who created a family for the purposes of attention and credibility in their movements.

I really get the sense that these kids were reflections of the parents and had no ability to be autonomous individuals. Their identities were subsumed by their annihilating parents. :twocents:
 
There are three ways to enter California from Oregon. all 3 ways have agriculture border stations where you need to declare any produce/fresh food/plants.
I hope LE has checked with these 3 places, to verify when they passed through and who was in the vehicle.

Those Border Stations are mostly a joke. They are easy to bypass, and most of the time they are not even open. But maybe they have cameras there. Otherwise I'm not sure they will get much useful information from them.
 
Wouldn’t let the kids have TV’s, video games, radios or electronics cool toys but the women posted on social media online.

Hypocrites!!!


Both parents were heavy duty gamers and Jennifer had a position of responsibility in a guild,. Doubtful that any of the children did as this would allow them to contact the outside world.

Why would any of their friends think it would be healthy for a 19 year old male to be isolated in such a fashion. A 19 year old needs to be in the world, having social interactions and learning to make life choices. These people really make me ill.
 
I'm skeptical unless there is proof of death threats. I have seen many people lie and fabricate persecution. I have a family member who did this. She cut off the entire family and was lying to everyone else claiming they cut her off and were persecuting her. Others I've known online claiming they were being targeted and threatened and extensive probing finds that it was fabricated.

So when a family with a documented history of abuse claims they received death threats and isolates themselves I'm left very much doubting any substantive threats. I mean surely these threats were reported to the police and the police followed through on them. There should be something other than just online claims to friends etc. The police would have taken it seriously. If you had death threats serious enough to move and isolate yourself you should have something to back it up.

They claimed they were being threatened so they needed to move to the middle of nowhere, pull their kids out of school, punish them by depriving them of food, avoid the CPS visits and then their supporters decide they must have just accidentally drove off a cliff. Sure... When CPS shows up you don't not answer the door, load up the truck and go driving on the precarious edge of a cliff for a better view.

My sister did this type of thing. She became a "christian" and claimed that she was horribly abused growing up. She cut us all off, because obviously we didn't fit that story. The people in her life think she estranged herself from us to heal. She is a preacher now and her church thinks she overcame so much to be this righteous person. They have NO idea it's all a lie. She definitely wanted to be the hero in her own narrative and the family she had didn't fit that.

I don't believe they got death threats. IMO
 
I do have concerns about them being able to determine if the 3 missing were ever in the ocean or not.

There was a very similar incident, with missing couple from Los Angeles, in Christmas of 2016. A young couple and their 2 dogs, ended up going off a cliff, onto the ocean rocks, in San Luis Obispo.

It is still not determined if it was accidental or not, and only one body was found.


A COUPLE WENT MISSING ON AN IDYLLIC ROAD TRIP—BUT ONLY ONE BODY WAS FOUND

“There’s not closure because we don’t really know what’s going on,” a relative said.


In early January, police found the remains of Gonzalez and the one of the dogs near her wrecked vehicle 325 below the coast highway, near the ocean, reportedThe Los Angeles Times. The body of a second dog was found a few days later, according to the Los Angeles Daily News.

But Fernandez, who wasn’t in the wrecked vehicle, is still missing. “It’s possible he was ejected into the water,” said Tony Cipolla, a spokesman for the San Luis Obispo County Sheriff’s Department, to the LA Times. Authorities announced they had finished the search for Fernandez on Jan. 20, without locating his body.

http://www.oxygen.com/blogs/a-coupl...idyllic-road-trip-but-only-one-body-was-found


Divers searched for his body for nearly a month, and never found a trace of him.
 
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