CA CA - Hannah, 16, Devonte, 15, & Sierra Hart, 12, Mendocino County, 26 March 2018 #1

[LadyL]

wth???

omg this is awful

 

[Amonet]

I hope that at least some of the time during the camping trips and being out in nature that the siblings were able to have good times with each other and feel a little bit freer out in the trees and nature.

Was the well-known image of Devonte taken 3 years ago? I noticed Jen's YouTube video uploads stopped at that point.

I wonder if the kids ever tried to go to other neighbors before the Dekalbs moved in? It sounds like things got even worse than before over the past few months, but it's hard to tell if that's because the Dekalbs have come forward to tell what they know/their interactions since they moved in or if things deteriorated more in the past few months and then even more deterioration in the week leading up to the CPS call or if the situation had been that bad for the past three years. It seems odd that all of a sudden several of the kids run to the neighbor for protection and food out of the blue when the evidence seems to suggest a level of abuse and control that's been ongoing for most of their poor lives?

 

[LadyL]

[bbm]

what's a guild?

Both parents were heavy duty gamers and Jennifer had a position of responsibility in a guild,. Doubtful that any of the children did as this would allow them to contact the outside world.

Why would any of their friends think it would be healthy for a 19 year old male to be isolated in such a fashion. A 19 year old needs to be in the world, having social interactions and learning to make life choices. These people really make me ill.

 

[Ceph]

[bbm]

what's a guild?

In some online role-playing games, like World of Warcraft, players can join together in user-made groups. They’re called guilds in the magic/fairy/old-timey-style ones, which were popularized by Warcraft.


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[katydid23]

Friend of family in cliff crash: ‘I think Jen and Sarah should be idolized’

A close friend of the Hart family believes their SUV may have misjudged the California highway at night, instead of intentionally driving off the cliff.

PORTLAND, Ore. – A friend of the family killed after their SUV went off a cliff on the California coast said speculation about ongoing abuse makes “a tragedy even worse.”

“I think Jen and Sarah [Hart] should be idolized,” said Erica Rosser, who first met the married couple and their six adopted children when they were living in West Linn.

But close friend Rosser, who met the family through their shared passion for live music, said those details omit the family’s real story: That they were loving, active and full of love.

“I don’t think you could find anybody that they’ve met that could say a negative thing about them,” she said.

“Their parenting and their partnership was beautiful,” Rosser said. “These children came from scary, scary home situations [before the adoption]. Not only neglectful but scary – drugs and guns. And to have them turn out this way, everybody who’s met those children loved them deeply and it’s because of Jen and Sarah. It’s because of their love. You can’t have a happy, smiling, abused child that doesn’t get love. There’s absolutely no abuse.”

The Hart family, according to Rosser, “celebrated everything.” She shared a video she took of the family sharing sushi with their dog, Mowgli, for the dog’s birthday.
http://www.kgw.com/article/news/loc...nk-jen-and-sarah-should-be-idolized/533689360

the bolded portion above really bothers me.

"...everybody who’s met those children loved them deeply and it’s because of Jen and Sarah."


These kids deserve love BECAUSE OF JEN AND SARA? That is condescending and rude, in my opinion. Those children would have been unlovable if it weren't for the two women who were caring for them? How does that work?

 

[katydid23]

A close friend of the Hart family believes their SUV may have misjudged the California highway at night, instead of intentionally driving off the cliff.


[From the link above]



I do not see any possibility that she 'misjudged the highway at night.'

I am very familiar with Highway 1. I grew up in Northern Cali and we drove that highway all the time.

When you are going South on Highway One, you are HIGHLY AWARE of the ocean, right alongside the road. You are hyper aware of the cliffs and the danger, which is often just a few feet away from the edge of your lane.

There is no way that a driver on that road, would not be aware that making a hard right turn would take you over a cliff. It is OBVIOUS at all times that the ocean is right there, on your right.

 

[enelram]

So at all 3 homes in 3 different states, the family was being investigated by CPS/DHS. I suspect after each case, they
moved out of state and away from whoever reported them. When the heat was on they up and moved.

Their old neighbor in Oregon says he feels guilty for not reporting them when they lived in West Linn. He found it odd
that the children were never outside even on nice days and good weather. He justified it because the parents told
him the family frequently went camping and hiking. He said it was strange because the only time he talked to the
children was at the mailbox, and the children were reluctant to talk, almost like they had been told not to. He said
the children seemed respectful, mannerly but in a controlled way.
Hindsight is 20/20.

 

[LadyL]

[bbm]

bizarre ... is it O/T to ask why?

From what I recall of Oregon you cannot pump your own gas. They take that very seriously. So if they got gas in Oregon there should be a witness. Also the rest stops in Washington and Oregon are the best. Free coffee and cookies at many and I think they always have people on site even overnight. If the Harts traveled a lot they would know the areas and know where to park closest to the bathrooms & avoid interactions with anyone. That would have been a chance for the 3 to make a run for it. IF say one mom stayed in car with 3 and other mom escorted 3. I'm sure LE has thought of that. The restrooms are really great there, can't imagine making that drive without a few stops. Anybody know if there are missing flyers up anywhere?
My thoughts on the penny in the pocket are how dare she have a penny! Where did she get it? I'm thinking if the one child is asking for tortillas and peanut butter that they are not allowed any of their own money. It's a power thing.
Missing teeth child, I think she is the one in the rainbow wig in the "blah, blah beautiful" picture. It's not 2 front teeth but closer to eyetooth and next tooth over. Fine on a child but not on someone that has all of their adult teeth.

 

[gcharlie]

According to LinkedIn, Sarah Hart worked at Kohl's as an Assistant Store Manager Operations / CFH.

Glassdoor has the average total pay for that position at Kohl's being 53K per annum. 53K doesn't sound anywhere near enough to support 8 people.

Did they buy that Woodland house or rent? I've read both in different articles.

They definitely bought this house. Property records for Clark County, WA are available online and I see the deed registered in their name. Paid $375K. Cannot tell if there is a mortgage on the place.

The home was small for 6 teens and 2 adults. 1,900 sf, 3 bedroom place.

Tried to look up their residence in West Linn, OR and cannot find any sales close to the neighbor, Bill Groener, who has been cited in articles. Based on that, I think they may have rented in OR.

 

[JanetElaine]

Yes, this is the identification I'd seen in another article. Other posters seem to think HH might have been misidentified. I wonder if anyone knows for sure.

Is it fair to assume the darker skinned trio is one sibling group? Is that influencing the identification?

Still playing catch-up so my apologies if this has been talked about - but that's a good question - how do they know Hannah, Devonte and Sierra are the ones missing? How were the three deceased siblings identified? Has anything been written/said about this anywhere? Since none of them look their age and there have been mis-identifications in the media.

 

[gcharlie]

IMO, not enough has been said about the 19 yo.

I agree with you 100%. By 19, this young man should have been interacting on his own with the outside world, either through a job, social or volunteer opportunities or as a student. I've not seen anything of the sort reported, and for me, this is another red flag.

 

[Stunned]

Heres more images of the family

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In the 6th picture in this series, he looks apsolutely gaunt. That little boys smile is pleading for help, acknowledgement and fear.

 

[debbiegarcia36]

My sister did this type of thing. She became a "christian" and claimed that she was horribly abused growing up. She cut us all off, because obviously we didn't fit that story. The people in her life think she estranged herself from us to heal. She is a preacher now and her church thinks she overcame so much to be this righteous person. They have NO idea it's all a lie. She definitely wanted to be the hero in her own narrative and the family she had didn't fit that.

I don't believe they got death threats. IMO

I agree. I believe they used false death threats an excuse to run and hide so that they would not be further scrutinized by the media.

Perhaps the manner in which these kids were fostered or "adopted" wasn't completely legit. I read that they were not registered in the Oregon or Washington school system as being home schooled.



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[Stunned]

Wouldn’t let the kids have TV’s, video games, radios or electronics cool toys but the women posted on social media online.

Hypocrites!!!

I wonder if the kids knew they were on social media.

 

[LonelyChild]

I feel everyone we've heard from who knew the family are misjudging them. I don't know that when they went around friends or even family that they portrayed themselves as the perfect family. That doesn't mean that in secret Sarah and Jen weren't abusive tho. I mean all the major red flags are there the kids begged neighbors for help and said they were abused more than once, one of the children went to school bruised and her mother Sarah was charged for it (I think there was more to this story as well that we don't know) and after this they switched states and home schooled the kids the biggest red flag, the children tell similar stories of being starved and abused as a form of punishment, the children were kept in a house that according to people who have seen the house was spotless to the point you couldn't tell one let alone 6 teenagers lived there, the children were always either dancing, singing or acting for the amusement of the adults around them just look up Jen harts YouTube it's sick to have a child that is about 13 or 14 years old dancing around in his underwear, child service had been involved multiple times, the family only left after the last battle with cps. I think it's also been made clear the family were more about Jen and Sarah than the Kids. If you look at their fbs or anything it's the devonte show. I'm not saying that's a bad thing but when you have 6 children it's probably fair and best especially these children with abusive backgrounds and troubled past that these parents show each child equal love. I wonder if the biological families know about this tragedy yet. This whole thing sickens me and how anyone can over look the things I've pointed out and say it was accidental is insane. Too many red flags whatever this family were doing when they crashed they were running from cps.

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[gitana1]

Both parents were heavy duty gamers and Jennifer had a position of responsibility in a guild,. Doubtful that any of the children did as this would allow them to contact the outside world.

Why would any of their friends think it would be healthy for a 19 year old male to be isolated in such a fashion. A 19 year old needs to be in the world, having social interactions and learning to make life choices. These people really make me ill.

Great question. All these families who have grown kids who aren't going off to college or jobs and not one damn asóciate or friend of theirs questions what's up with that?

A 19 year old man still content to live with his mommies and smaller siblings in a remote area with no hope of finding a mate to have a relationship with, no opportunity for close friends or any kind of social life apart from his family.

Gross.

Many likely view these types of people as having a tight-knit and enviable family. They don't see the enmeshed dysfunction of such a situation.

Another red flag to add to the others, IMO.

 

[Talulah]

I strongly suspect all 6 children had a mix of significant cognitive, mental health, and physical disabilities. I would guess that their functional ages were much lower than their chronological ages. If so, that could account for some of the stranger things we have observed (a lack of age appropriate activities or possessions, for instance). It could also account for the effusive praise by those who knew them, as well as the convenient overlooking of the prior abuse charge. "You don't know what they have to deal with, those poor women, they're doing the best they can, those children wouldn't have had a chance otherwise," etc.

I think the women had a certain idea in their heads when they adopted those children that was proven wrong with each passing year (as the extent of early childhood damage became more and more apparent). They needed to be saviors but their kids weren't magically healing from their perfect, loving home. My tentative feeling is that dealing with a bunch of cute children is much more rewarding than dealing with a bunch of disabled and belligerent teenagers. I'm wondering if increasing realism about the life-long needs of the children was too much for their savior complex or narcissism. Knowing another battle with CPS was coming might have pushed them over the edge, so to speak.

MOO

 

[meanmaryjean]

[bbm]

bizarre ... is it O/T to ask why?

It is the law in Oregon and New Jersey and it almost makes me want to move there because I HATE pumping gas!

 

[enelram]

I agree. I believe they used false death threats an excuse to run and hide so that they would not be further scrutinized by the media.

Perhaps the manner in which these kids were fostered or "adopted" wasn't completely legit. I read that they were not registered in the Oregon or Washington school system as being home schooled.



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I'm thinking there was an ongoing investigation by Oregon Dept. of Human Services while they lived there.
July, 2013 Police responded to a call at their West Linn home. Police characterized the call as a State Dept. of Human Services referral. When I checked the Dept. website regarding referrals it sounded like that's what they call tips or
reports of abuse and neglect. Maybe the police were called because the women wouldn't let DHS come in and
question them. Did one of the kids or neighbors call the police? There's more to this story, wish we could find out what's the backstory.

 

[nothingnew]

[bbm]

bizarre ... is it O/T to ask why?

It's the law. If you don't live in Oregon then it's just natural to get out and grab the pump but they'll come out and yell at you. But A+ for all of their rest stops, they put California to shame IMO.