CA CA - Hannah, 16, Devonte, 15, & Sierra Hart, 12, Mendocino County, 26 March 2018 #2

[Sleuth99]

I think I see why.

Being hardcore gamers seems like an odd combination with the granola festival activist stuff.

No, if the original poster can't share how they know this I don't think it's worth pursuing in thought 🤷🏾*♀️


IMO

 

[maggieo]

The kids being thin wouldn't be that's alarming to me if I knew them. They are kids who experienced forms of abuse at early ages, many, or all of them, could have been "drug babies". They could have had a variety of health issues or food disorders related to their births and early childhoods.

also, adolescents, especially boys, get tall and gangly. Plus the family gave the impression they ate organic and healthy, which could also explain their lean appearances.

i don't think they look that alarming, the way the Turpin kids did.

However I do think something was going on and food was being withheld.

I still can't believe the neighbors took that little girl home after she snuck out at 1:30 pleading for help from being abused.

If it were one or two kids, I'd agree. I have one painfully thin kid--and I swear to god I feed him. Some kids are picky, are really active, have crazy fast metabolisms, etc. But all six? And these kids are not just thin; except for the oldest, they're really small! It just looks wrong to me. (All the sideways hats and sunglasses and headscarves look off, too, like costumes or something--but I'm willing to believe they were just accessory-loving kids.)

 

[Gardenista]

I think I see why.

Being hardcore gamers seems like an odd combination with the granola festival activist stuff.

I also learned Jen was the "guild leader" which is very time consuming and it is expensive to play at her level. Anyone here who understands gaming that can confirm?

 

[Gardenista]

I just love how these hippy, earthy families are so anti government, anti establishment but yet have no problem taking government funds paid with our tax dollars to help support the kids and their living expenses. Kohl’s barely pays enough for a single person to live. HYPOCRITES a good amount is paid out monthly for each child plus medical expenses, food stamps, etc. Kohl’s does not pay enough to support a family of eight. I think someone posted a link just how much the state paid plus an additional amount from the government plus more for child with disabilities.

It must be nice to do all that traveling fun trips, go to all those festivals, garden with the kids, do all that fun stuff yada yada how nice all that natural living but seriously the kids were in their teens what kind of career path and goals were these Moms providing the older kids. Was all this natural living going to help with the children’s futures to have careers, a good job and be self supportive? The oldest boy actually an adult 19 should have been driving and going to college getting a real education. Markis was probably Jens pawn under her control helping her with the younger kids and doing all the chores. These women were keeping him like a child, dependent on them I suppose to continue getting money from the government for their own personal needs and support their hippy lifestyle. Geez they certainly weren’t using al the government money on food for the kids. Moms were eating quite well they must have been eating all the portions for these kids.

These Moms used these innocent kids as personal Slaves to fit the narrative of their lifestyle to flaunt in social media and protest for the camera . They didn’t love these children they used them.

The one or both these Moms that murdered these precious darling Angels of God I hope they rot in hell for what they’ve done.

They were not anti-gov. They supported a socialist, so pro-BIG gov.

 

[Compassion]

Sorry that I don't remember where I read that CPH they thought the ocean had pulled out their belongings or personal items from the van since there wasn't anything in the van.

The 3 children they found were outside the van but presumably in the general area since they were found immediately.

The ocean is wild and could easily have carried the other 3 children out to sea.

Unless a child died, it's highly unlikely, I would think, that Jen would have left without all 6 children. Devonte may have been planning to run away or may have just been asking for food so all of them could eat, but I'm fairly certain that Jen wouldn't have left home if one or three of the kids had run away.

Just hoping that the 3 kids weren't in the car and realizing that I'm being unrealistic....

 

[Poppyflower]

I just love how these hippy, earthy families are so anti government, anti establishment but yet have no problem taking government funds paid with our tax dollars to help support the kids and their living expenses. Kohl’s barely pays enough for a single person to live. HYPOCRITES a good amount is paid out monthly for each child plus medical expenses, food stamps, etc. Kohl’s does not pay enough to support a family of eight. I think someone posted a link just how much the state paid plus an additional amount from the government plus more for child with disabilities.

It must be nice to do all that traveling fun trips, go to all those festivals, garden with the kids, do all that fun stuff yada yada how nice all that natural living but seriously the kids were in their teens what kind of career path and goals were these Moms providing the older kids. Was all this natural living going to help with the children’s futures to have careers, a good job and be self supportive? The oldest boy actually an adult 19 should have been driving and going to college getting a real education. Markis was probably Jens pawn under her control helping her with the younger kids and doing all the chores. These women were keeping him like a child, dependent on them I suppose to continue getting money from the government for their own personal needs and support their hippy lifestyle. Geez they certainly weren’t using al the government money on food for the kids. Moms were eating quite well they must have been eating all the portions for these kids.

These Moms used these innocent kids as personal Slaves to fit the narrative of their lifestyle to flaunt in social media and protest for the camera . They didn’t love these children they used them.

The one or both these Moms that murdered these precious darling Angels of God I hope they rot in hell for what they’ve done.

"These" hippy families? It isn't a good idea to lump everyone together like that.

Link to where they're anti-government, and anti-establishment and treated their kids "as personal Slaves" please.

Also, we don't have enough information about the 19 year old to know if he drove or was pursuing college or getting "a real education". If you do, please link.

 

[Poppyflower]

They were not anti-gov. They supported a socialist, so pro-BIG gov.

Link please.

 

[Zelda1010]

could she have been house hunting? I bet she wishes theyd stayed separate, I think she was abused too

I wondered at first if there wasn’t a post missing from someone who was no longer a FB friend, but msm reports from the former neighbor in Oregon did state that Sarah came first alone to secure a job and home and that the family lived there for ~4 years.


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The friend Max from the Nahko band also says Sarah came to Portland in 2012 to find a job and see if it was good for the family. In 2013 Jen & the kids join her.

Could be normal job hunting/house hunting. But, honestly, in this day and age you could lock down those things online without needing a several months long absence from your 6 adopted kids. To transfer in retail? And that Dec 2012 FB "what she said" from Jen to Sarah by way of a mutual friends' "miss you" seems kind of passive aggressive. Like, almost, I know you don't want to talk to me, but, I'll post so our friends can see? I'm probably reading too much into that, maybe, though.

 

[flourish]

I just love how these hippy, earthy families are so anti government, anti establishment but yet have no problem taking government funds paid with our tax dollars to help support the kids and their living expenses. Kohl’s barely pays enough for a single person to live. HYPOCRITES a good amount is paid out monthly for each child plus medical expenses, food stamps, etc. Kohl’s does not pay enough to support a family of eight. I think someone posted a link just how much the state paid plus an additional amount from the government plus more for child with disabilities.

It must be nice to do all that traveling fun trips, go to all those festivals, garden with the kids, do all that fun stuff yada yada how nice all that natural living but seriously the kids were in their teens what kind of career path and goals were these Moms providing the older kids. Was all this natural living going to help with the children’s futures to have careers, a good job and be self supportive? The oldest boy actually an adult 19 should have been driving and going to college getting a real education. Markis was probably Jens pawn under her control helping her with the younger kids and doing all the chores. These women were keeping him like a child, dependent on them I suppose to continue getting money from the government for their own personal needs and support their hippy lifestyle. Geez they certainly weren’t using al the government money on food for the kids. Moms were eating quite well they must have been eating all the portions for these kids.

These Moms used these innocent kids as personal Slaves to fit the narrative of their lifestyle to flaunt in social media and protest for the camera . They didn’t love these children they used them.

The one or both these Moms that murdered these precious darling Angels of God I hope they rot in hell for what they’ve done.

Yikes! "Your taxes?" So no hippie families work? They all accept government assistance? (Gee, no wonder there is such a stigma still about those who do...no wonder people try to disguise their SNAP cards at checkout).

We know what has been reported. However, we don't have official confirmation that the children were indeed being literally starved. I've worked with kiddos who were adopted, had RAD, had eating issues, and could eat an entire bag of 32 string cheeses, and two minutes later be very convincingly telling someone they were starving.

I'm not saying it's not true, or telling others how to post.... just that...perhaps we can try to keep sweeping generalizations out of it, maybe?

 

[Poppyflower]

I think I see why.

Being hardcore gamers seems like an odd combination with the granola festival activist stuff.

It isn't an odd combination to me. Humans can be multi-faceted and don't always fit into a neat and tidy box.

 

[flourish]

Link please.

I think they were photographed at a Bernie Sanders rally, so perhaps that's where that assumption comes from?

 

[liltexans]

What does victim-friendly mean? I've looked it up but don't see any definitions for it. It's a new term for me. Please assist if you can. Thanks

Victim-friendly in this case applies to the children. Three children are still missing. They may be alive, even though it seems unlikely. We do not want to assert that these possibly alive children have been victims of sexual abuse without a link to back up that assertion. This is why, when a minor child is found alive and is found to have been a victim of sexual abuse, we redact the name of that child in the threads to protect the privacy of the child.

In this case, we are not treating Jennifer and Sarah as victims. They are perpetrators, but three of their kids are still missing.

I hope that helps to clarify. Please message a moderator if you have further questions.

 

[Gardenista]

Link please.

Check the crowd

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4088k0

 

[Corpuschick]

Something about this is whole story is really bothering me. It's an obvious assumption to blame the parents. However, even though there were allegations of child abuse, there was no real proof of the parents withholding food and the like. People are questioning "marks on the legs" of one of the children, when active kids have scrapes and bumps all of the time. The kids don't look malnourished to me, not even a little bit. Thin, yes, but kids that are active and eat healthy foods tend to be, as several mothers here have attested (not to mention the fact that they were very likely small to begin with, having not been nourished properly as babies). And I may be old, but how many times has a parent said "Green beans are what's for dinner. Don't like them, don't eat." My wife tells a story that they laugh about now, about how her daughter (around 8 years old, in the mid 80's) went to the neighbors house saying she was starving because her mother wouldn't feed her. In reality, her mother just had enough of the kid's bs and told her to eat the da*m meatloaf or starve. Obviously, she was not starving her children, but back then the neighbor marched the daughter right home and asked my wife what the heck was going on. That minute. And of course found a full course meal on the table, just something the kid didn't like. I am not blaming the children for the tragedy, but I am concerned to see all of the finger pointing at the moms right out of the gate. These kids were by all accounts troubled young people when they came into the Hart home. Is it not a stretch to wonder if, as a group or one or two of them together, perhaps were just not liking Mom's rules and set out to get them in trouble (i.e., telling neighbors they were not being fed, etc.). I have also heard a million times of kids threatening to "Call CPS" on perfectly normal everyday parents when a rule is set that they don't like. Stranger things have happened, certainly. I would like to give the parents at least some semblance of benefit of doubt before rushing to assume anything. Yes, one parent did state that she went overboard in spanking once, but that, to me, doesn't lead to 1.) horrible mistreatment and 2.) deliberate murder.​

 

[rosemadderlake]

These are from jen harts instagram @JenHart32

The last two photos bother the hell out of me it was from a photo jen took of the kids with friends at the beach. How in the hell do friends see that and say and question nothing? There is a diffefence in being skinny and how thin and skin and bones those kids were.

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These children look fine, imo. In fact, they look much like my generation, before Mickey D.

And some of my favorite musicians, like Jimi Hendrix were so small in stature.

Do I wonder about their diet, yeah. Because I think kids need (xy&z ) to be their best. But that is not for me to judge.

When I look up malnurished children on the Internet for comparison, the difference is shocking.

 

[Kas80]

The friend Max from the Nahko band also says Sarah came to Portland in 2012 to find a job and see if it was good for the family. In 2013 Jen & the kids join her.

Could be normal job hunting/house hunting. But, honestly, in this day and age you could lock down those things online without needing a several months long absence from your 6 adopted kids. To transfer in retail? And that Dec 2012 FB "what she said" from Jen to Sarah by way of a mutual friends' "miss you" seems kind of passive aggressive. Like, almost, I know you don't want to talk to me, but, I'll post so our friends can see? I'm probably reading too much into that, maybe, though.

We just moved halfway across the country, my husband moved a few months before us because his job wanted him to start quickly and I had to pack up a house, finish up commitments the kids had (like summer camps), put our house on the market and since I was working I had to give them notice. But even without that last one I still wouldn't have come at the same time. He found a house here and registered for school and such before we arrived. I think it's actually relatively common that one parent goes first.

 

[Talulah]

Something about this is whole story is really bothering me. It's an obvious assumption to blame the parents. However, even though there were allegations of child abuse, there was no real proof of the parents withholding food and the like. People are questioning "marks on the legs" of one of the children, when active kids have scrapes and bumps all of the time. The kids don't look malnourished to me, not even a little bit. Thin, yes, but kids that are active and eat healthy foods tend to be, as several mothers here have attested (not to mention the fact that they were very likely small to begin with, having not been nourished properly as babies). And I may be old, but how many times has a parent said "Green beans are what's for dinner. Don't like them, don't eat." My wife tells a story that they laugh about now, about how her daughter (around 8 years old, in the mid 80's) went to the neighbors house saying she was starving because her mother wouldn't feed her. In reality, her mother just had enough of the kid's bs and told her to eat the da*m meatloaf or starve. Obviously, she was not starving her children, but back then the neighbor marched the daughter right home and asked my wife what the heck was going on. That minute. And of course found a full course meal on the table, just something the kid didn't like. I am not blaming the children for the tragedy, but I am concerned to see all of the finger pointing at the moms right out of the gate. These kids were by all accounts troubled young people when they came into the Hart home. Is it not a stretch to wonder if, as a group or one or two of them together, perhaps were just not liking Mom's rules and set out to get them in trouble (i.e., telling neighbors they were not being fed, etc.). I have also heard a million times of kids threatening to "Call CPS" on perfectly normal everyday parents when a rule is set that they don't like. Stranger things have happened, certainly. I would like to give the parents at least some semblance of benefit of doubt before rushing to assume anything. Yes, one parent did state that she went overboard in spanking once, but that, to me, doesn't lead to 1.) horrible mistreatment and 2.) deliberate murder.​

There have been multiple accusations of abusive spanking, one with significant bruising and a resulting criminal conviction. There have been accusations of withholding food not only from the children, but from a friend of the family who called CPS to report it. And there is that pesky fact that they drove off a cliff on purpose with the children in the car. I'm willing to give benefit of the doubt on why they got so overwhelmed, but not on facts.

 

[Kas80]

To be clear, I think these moms weren't good parents. A felony child abuse conviction and driving your kids off a cliff tell me that. I just think it's odd the things people are picking apart as being abnormal.

 

[Zelda1010]

We just moved halfway across the country, my husband moved a few months before us because his job wanted him to start quickly and I had to pack up a house, finish up commitments the kids had (like summer camps), put our house on the market and since I was working I had to give them notice. But even without that last one I still wouldn't have come at the same time. He found a house here and registered for school and such before we arrived. I think it's actually relatively common that one parent goes first.

What about the first point though. Would he have left a stay-at-home you and the kids behind to go job hunting in person? I'm genuinely asking, not being snarky. Maybe that is the best way to job hunt for some things? eta...Maybe Jen took short trips back and forth. You have good points to consider.

 

[liltexans]

Crash that killed at least 5 family members is now being labeled a crime

The mysterious California seaside crash in which at least five members of a family were killed is being labeled a crime by the man heading up the investigation.

Mendocino County Sheriff Tom Allman told HLN’s “Crime & Justice with Ashleigh Banfield” on Wednesday that Jennifer Hart was driving her family’s SUV when it went over a California cliff last week.

The sheriff said Jennifer Hart and spouse Sarah Hart were found dead wearing seat belts, but three children found near the vehicle had not been belted in.

“I’m to the point where I no longer am calling this an accident; I’m calling it a crime,” Allman told HLN.