CA CA - Hannah, 16, Devonte, 15, & Sierra Hart, 12, Mendocino County, 26 March 2018 #2

[keeleydoll]

I was just thinking... why was Hannah up at 1:30 am in the morning anyway?! They didn't say anything about her having a nightmare so what was that all about anyway?


IMO

Because she’s 16?

“The late nights can drive parents crazy, especially when they see tired teens who simply are not ready to go to sleep. The teen brain doesn’t produce melatonin—the hormone that induces sleep—at the same time the brains of younger children and adults do. As a result, the average teenager isn’t ready to go to sleep at 8:30 p.m., or 10, or maybe even 11.”
http://www.alaskasleep.com/blog/What-Is-Considered-Normal-with-Teens-and-Sleep



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[Sleuth99]

Thank you for this. I would love a list of facts but this helps out a lot. With all this speculation I have so much info running around my head that I have no idea what is FACT and what isn't.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/04/05/us/hart-family-timeline/index.html

Link with time lines


IMO

 

[staunchcharacter]

How was Sarah buckled in and in the back seat?

I don’t know how much it matters but there seems to be much confusion over the seatbelts but like someone else said, the police report we saw showed they were buckled in. I don’t have a link. The person who shared it says it was on a news site.


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[flourish]

She is wearing those printed leggings in that pic that she is wearing in an old pic. I think it's her and I think that LE is convinced, IMO.

I thought it looked like her right from the get go... I could have picked that out in a photo lineup.

 

[Sleuth99]

Because she’s 16?

“The late nights can drive parents crazy, especially when they see tired teens who simply are not ready to go to sleep. The teen brain doesn’t produce melatonin—the hormone that induces sleep—at the same time the brains of younger children and adults do. As a result, the average teenager isn’t ready to go to sleep at 8:30 p.m., or 10, or maybe even 11.”
http://www.alaskasleep.com/blog/What-Is-Considered-Normal-with-Teens-and-Sleep



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Yea well that may be the case for an average teenager, but we don't know what was going on there because an article said that neighbors reported that the whole family came looking for her... so they all were up. 🤷🏾*♀️


IMO

 

[Poppyflower]

I see it more and more, Poppyflower!

Jen must be the killer, since police say she was the driver (until they also recant that?)
I can see her justifying the crime to herself, tucking her babies in, they won´t know.
Very brutal and very motherly at the same time.
I think Sarah was asleep as well as all the kids.

I think it would fit her.

Yes!!! I agree. I don't know if you saw my theory earlier (apologies for the repost for anyone that did):

After reading Jenn's post, I think so much happened in a short amount of time that it could lead to a downward spiral of feeling completely overwhelmed. Which can effect humans most basic needs and that leads to a lot of horrible states of mind (like lack of sleep- sleep deprivation is a form of torture), a spanking going out of control (major guilt, embarrassment from it happening and then more out of control spankings = double those feelings) and a depression that led to severe depression.

Maybe somewhere in the middle of all that stress, then starts the suicidal ideation. Those thoughts build and become more frequent and plans start playing out. The thought becomes more comfortable and comforting. The song about driving into the ocean becomes a symbol and almost a goal. It is familiar and almost sacred and peaceful. I think after thinking about it for awhile now and the peak of CPS coming, neighbors calling, the thought of the kids being taken away was the straw that broke the camel's back. She is already in an altered state of mind due to the years of major stress and trauma. They could have found prescriptions for Jenn that could be the red flags they referred to.

Suicidal people are often the most at peace just prior. I remember the mom in Oregon who stopped and got the sleeping pills and trail mix on her way to commit suicide and if I remember correctly, Leanne had a power bar in her backpack. She stopped at Safeway because until you actually drive off that cliff, you still need to feed the family.

moo

 

[flourish]

The seatbelt thing has really been bothering me. It seems most likely that if one is to attempt murder suicide that way then one would want to ensure death and not wear one's seatbelt. If Jen had hers on I'll be surprised. Sarah not so much because she could have fallen asleep with it on and the seat reclined. I think she could still have ended up in back (if she did) from slipping backwards out of the seat and basically just sliding out from under the seatbelt.

I'm in agreement with poppyflowers. I think this happened at night when all the kids and maybe also Sarah were asleep in the vehicle. I wish we knew for certain what time the crash occurred!!

 

[Poppyflower]

How was Sarah buckled in and in the back seat?

I don’t know how much it matters but there seems to be much confusion over the seatbelts but like someone else said, the police report we saw showed they were buckled in. I don’t have a link. The person who shared it says it was on a news site.


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Whether or not Sara was buckled in, it doesn't matter imo. She was going to be thrown in all kinds of directions, 3 of the kids (imo, all 6 ) were thrown out the windows. I don't think the seatbelts buckled or unbuckled makes a difference- humans can't survive that crash either way.

moo

 

[Quill]

How was Sarah buckled in and in the back seat?

I don’t know how much it matters but there seems to be much confusion over the seatbelts but like someone else said, the police report we saw showed they were buckled in. I don’t have a link. The person who shared it says it was on a news site.



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On one of the previous pages, someone posted an updated clarification from LE with a link. The initial report of both women being buckled was incorrect and it is now known that neither woman was buckled in the vehicle.

 

[Poppyflower]

Bummer, when I watched the Ashley Banfield with the Sheriff he said something about someone reporting seeing what looked like clothing in the water 30-40 miles south of the search area. They went to search there and I just saw in this article:

"A tip led authorities to have divers search the water near the coastline about 30 or 40 miles south of the scene, but Allman said there was nothing yet to report from the search there."

http://ktla.com/2018/04/04/authorit...after-mysterious-fatal-cliff-crash-in-norcal/

 

[MomGN2BMD]

Unless you are in some sort of specialty type career level most companies will not look at out of state applications nor pay relocation. Since she was in retail it was unlikely she would be able to apply for a job while out of state and be hired. That's actually one of the first tips they give to job seekers that are in administration/retail/other general skills careers. You have to use a local address on your resume (like a friend or family member) and pay to get there for interviews or move there first then find a job.

IMO I disagree with this based on personal experience. When I worked in retail management for a clothing retailers I was able to move up in positions due to two things, my performance obviously, and my willingness to relocate. Two such promotions I was granted relocation allowances as well.

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[SATA]

Yes!!! I agree. I don't know if you saw my theory earlier (apologies for the repost for anyone that did):

After reading Jenn's post, I think so much happened in a short amount of time that it could lead to a downward spiral of feeling completely overwhelmed. Which can effect humans most basic needs and that leads to a lot of horrible states of mind (like lack of sleep- sleep deprivation is a form of torture), a spanking going out of control (major guilt, embarrassment from it happening and then more out of control spankings = double those feelings) and a depression that led to severe depression.

Maybe somewhere in the middle of all that stress, then starts the suicidal ideation. Those thoughts build and become more frequent and plans start playing out. The thought becomes more comfortable and comforting. The song about driving into the ocean becomes a symbol and almost a goal. It is familiar and almost sacred and peaceful. I think after thinking about it for awhile now and the peak of CPS coming, neighbors calling, the thought of the kids being taken away was the straw that broke the camel's back. She is already in an altered state of mind due to the years of major stress and trauma. They could have found prescriptions for Jenn that could be the red flags they referred to.

Suicidal people are often the most at peace just prior. I remember the mom in Oregon who stopped and got the sleeping pills and trail mix on her way to commit suicide and if I remember correctly, Leanne had a power bar in her backpack. She stopped at Safeway because until you actually drive off that cliff, you still need to feed the family.

moo

100%

I will stick with your theory - new info

that will alter things​

may emerge, but for now, it all makes so much sense.
That song.....
What a strange case.

What I am now curious about is how she made the trip plausible and desirable for Sarah and the kids. There must have been some "carrot".
Or she dictated, I don´t know.

P.S. I didn´t see your post before the short one today (not long ago).

 

[11223344]

So I've been wondering if the three missing kids got out at a stop to walk the dog and took off. Given that Devonte was one of them, it seems he knew something was going on or he would have felt responsible for what was happening for going next door and maybe saw an opportunity to get away where the other three just weren't with them. I'm sure he didn't expect the moms to drive off a cliff with the other three. But maybe what was going on that weekend was really getting crazy and they ran off somewhere. That in itself could have pushed Jen over the edge to drive off the cliff thinking that if the kids had been willing to run off like that there was no way they were going to lie for them. That whatever had gone on in the house was going to be found out no matter what and rather than go to jail or whatever else could have happened she made that impulsive decision to drive off the cliff. Problem being where are the kids now and if they're not found soon what will be of them . There's a lot of state parks around there as well if they were left at a campsite or ran from a campsite and are lost in the woods. I'm thinking maybe they should be flying over more than just the water to look for people as well as I don't know if they could have a banner in the sky telling the kids to come out. Is it possible that they're hiding out somewhere scared that they'll be given back to their parents and not believed again, if found. I don't know if all of those state parks are open year-round there or if people can come and go as they please without anybody working during certain parts of the winter. I would think they must have had camping gear of some sort with them, sleeping bags or blankets that sort of thing.

 

[Whiteorchids]

You cannot simply make that assumption because of earlier speculation. Saying “I’m sure...” because someone else did the math. “I’m sure” is not fact. They may have qualified for assistance but it does not mean they applied for it or received it even if they applied.

Clearly from photos none of the children appear physically disabled. It can take a lot longer for parents to recognize or acknowledge cognitive/social disabilities that may impact a child’s ability to lead an independent life. Parents hope the child may outgrow their “awkwardness” only to realize it is actually a developmental disability. Some parents recognize this sooner than others; sometimes it is more obvious. We’ve read of the Hart children’s behavioral challenges due to early childhood trauma but not certainty that any of the children were deemed disabled yet.

My adopted brother is such a case. He is 35, mildly autistic, smart in a few areas but incapable of living independently - a diagnosis my mother failed to recognize early on or accept until recently - old school hopes her kid was perfect like a lot of parents. It has been overwhelming for her at times. Yet qualifying him for disability has been a 5 year+ struggle and he still hasn’t been approved. They don’t hand it out like candy. You can’t be “sure” just because it fits your narrative of this family and their real struggles, monsters or not.

It was from the state gov website regarding adoptions it was either Oregon Washington or both. I’m sorry I’m at work can’t look for it now.

 

[Whiteorchids]

Bummer, when I watched the Ashley Banfield with the Sheriff he said something about someone reporting seeing what looked like clothing in the water 30-40 miles south of the search area. They went to search there and I just saw in this article:

"A tip led authorities to have divers search the water near the coastline about 30 or 40 miles south of the scene, but Allman said there was nothing yet to report from the search there."

http://ktla.com/2018/04/04/authorit...after-mysterious-fatal-cliff-crash-in-norcal/

Thanks for posting. Where are the children and dogs. [emoji22]

 

[SATA]

Thanks for posting. Where are the children and dogs. [emoji22]

Yeah, where are they?
Seems so unjust, the whole thing.
Kids born into difficult circumstances, adopted into more difficulties, then killed.
Unbearable, they looked so sweet.

 

[Poppyflower]

100%

I will stick with your theory - new info

that will alter things​

may emerge, but for now, it all makes so much sense.
That song.....
What a strange case.

What I am now curious about is how she made the trip plausible and desirable for Sarah and the kids. There must have been some "carrot".
Or she dictated, I don´t know.

P.S. I didn´t see your post before the short one today (not long ago).

speculation...

I think they all knew about what CPS was capable of and with their history of abuse- there was a good chance of them being taken away. Possibly arrests for one or both moms? If they told the kids this, they could have been trying to flee away from CPS. Either with the kids being supportive of this by them tell the kids CPS "was evil and didn't agree with their lifestyle" or the kids not really wanting to go bc they were scared of the mom(s) but didn't have a choice. OR It was an impromptu camping trip. ~"Yay! Mom got the next couple days off, everyone grab a shirt and an extra pair of undies, that's all we'll need!!! We'll go down to California and see what there is to see!" - like nothing was wrong...Maybe Sara and Jenn knew they had to get out of there quick even if only to clear their heads and think about what was going to happen with CPS without CPS banging their door down. Jenn's head was already in a bad spot...she needed a way they all could go together- and without her having to look anyone one of them in the eye.

They could have been hanging out at the cliff day or night prior because of the breathtaking view. At this point Jenn's wheels were turning. This was the perfect out in her mind.

moo...my speculation only

 

[Zelda1010]

Yea well that may be the case for an average teenager, but we don't know what was going on there because an article said that neighbors reported that the whole family came looking for her... so they all were up. 🤷🏾*♀️


IMO

Dancing in fish hats and underwear perhaps!

 

[flourish]

It was from the state gov website regarding adoptions it was either Oregon Washington or both. I’m sorry I’m at work can’t look for it now.

That they likely qualified was information gleaned from those sites, but they didn't adopt from those states and we DON'T KNOW if they ever actually received any subsidies or assistance from any state or federal government.

Why do I feel like I need to make that my signature or something? Ffs

 

[Poppyflower]

Thanks for posting. Where are the children and dogs. [emoji22]

With a heavy heart and sadness I think they all were killed and some were pulled out to sea

moo