CA CA - Hannah, 16, Devonte, 15, & Sierra Hart, 12, Mendocino County, 26 March 2018 #3

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If Devonte was expecting CPS, if neither Jen nor Sarah were home when CPS knocked on the door, why wouldn't Devonte answer the door?

If Jen was home and CPS were only called on the Friday (according to Dana Dekalb) how did Jen know to not answer the door?
 
Amonet said:
If Devonte was expecting CPS, if neither Jen nor Sarah were home when CPS knocked on the door, why wouldn't Devonte answer the door?

If Jen was home and CPS were only called on the Friday (according to Dana Dekalb) how did Jen know to not answer the door?
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She could have peaked and saw them. Not answered the door could mean not opening it. It doesn't mean she didn't check to see who it was by spying


IMO
 
Curious about something, do we know if the headlights were checked? I’m sure they wouldn’t have missed something like that. If this happened at night, and she didn’t want to be seen, cutting the lights manually before going over might be something to consider with regard to a timeline.

Some older GMCs had running daytime lights / auto lights.

Just a thought
 
Amonet said:
If Devonte was expecting CPS, if neither Jen nor Sarah were home when CPS knocked on the door, why wouldn't Devonte answer the door?

If Jen was home and CPS were only called on the Friday (according to Dana Dekalb) how did Jen know to not answer the door?
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IMO, Typically people so obsessed with privacy DO NOT ever answer the door, if they aren't expecting someone they know. Remember these people lived their lives in hiding.

The children were probably warned and threatened to never, ever answer door.
 
enelram said:
IMO, Typically people so obsessed with privacy DO NOT ever answer the door, if they aren't expecting someone they know. Remember these people lived their lives in hiding.

The children were probably warned and threatened to never, ever answer door.
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It bothers me that the CPS just left when the visit went unanswered.
Three times no less.

Those people have a history of abuse, but I don´t think they should just leave in any case.

They should at least have alerted the police.

I don´t want to slam the neighbours, but I do think their reaction was too little, too late.
There were some serious red flags.

Children are generally not believed over grown ups. Their testimonies are not trusted, even though they are proven right, over and over again.
I think you should trust what a child says, it is usually the truth, and if you see a terrified child escaping in the middle of the night, hey, what are you waiting for?!

Those kids were so let down.
 
This hug video is more disturbing for me to watch in light of the timeline that has materialized. (https://newsone.com/3786740/devonte-hart-video-surfaces-beloved-festival/)

Yesterday I looked up the Nahko character. His story is one of being adopted at 9 mos by a fundamentalist family. His father introduced him to music at 6 and he went on to absolutely capitalize on his heritage, his ancestry, his story.

In 2012, Nahko's band is playing at a festival and the Hart family is dressed alike, as close to the stage as possible, and catches the eye of at least bandmate Max Ribner.

At some time in 2012, Max tells us, Sarah came out to Oregon and in 2013 Jen & kids follow. Max himself gives the children 2ce a month music lessons.http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...f/2018/03/hart_familys_idyllic_public_im.html

Enter the hug video. In 2013, Xavier Rudd, who occasionally performs with Nahko, nods to invite a young, costumed, sign wearing Devonte on stage for a free hug. At 8:15 he makes eye contact with someone and gestures repeatedly, Devonte closes in on the hug at 8:44 (see video first link)

To me, Xavier seems uncomfortable. Not at first. Well, D seems to oddly & uncomfortably hug the guitar. Once Xavier realizes D is in for a long hug, he repositions the mic to keep performing and hugging. Once D is really crying, X seems to get more comfortable and offer a very affectionate head rub to D. But it keeps going and going and X tries to go back to chanting and eventually X kind of shakes D off. He doesn't want to stop performing, he's been touched by this kids emotion, but D doesn't seem to understand what to do next, imo. D turns around and beams for a moment before scurrying off stage after about 2 minutes.

At the time, Jen shouts out a big thanks to the videographer bc she was too busy getting still shots. By 2014, Jen is mad that someone took the infamous cop picture without permission, even though she herself was taking pictures. I think she was just mad she didn't get to control the narrative. People were hitting too close to home about Devonte's performance.

I was a theatre kid. Musical theatre. As a preteen I was VERY passionate about the messages in our performances. Encouraging the kids to perform is not what concerns me, but this all is so fishy in hindsight. There were people who had concerns even among their beloved festival goers, but did this band hold a particular influence? Did they unknowingly encourage abuse?

Xavier has not made any public comments that I'm aware of. I think he agreed to let the cute free hugs kid on stage for a hug. But I don't really think he just happened to spy him in the crowd.

And who shut down Jen's Facebook? When & why? Why not Sarah's?
 
Another theory I’m considering.

Might the rear doors have been locked with child safety locks also engaged?

Might that explain why only the front doors opened?

Or am I way off base?

Belts off and child safety locks engaged would certainly raise suspicion of a crime vs accident. At least for me.
 
Jen's FB page had tons of writing... That's why they shut it down? LE is reviewing as evidence?

As I think on them today, the very sad truth is from the beginning, and from the court case, everytime CPS, LE was called, they moved. And, this last time she just killed everyone instead. --Was she that enraged that her children went for help, or her neighbor called for help? No one in their right mind does this.

I read that Sarah worked a lot. So, what was happening between these two women, Jen promoting some story as the stay at home mom, Sarah trying to piece it together? I wonder if Sarah expressed any concerns to her coworkers at Kohls?
 
Hidinginthelimetree said:
Another theory I’m considering.

Might the rear doors have been locked with child safety locks also engaged?

Might that explain why only the front doors opened?

Or am I way off base?

Belts off and child safety locks engaged would certainly raise suspicion of a crime vs accident. At least for me.
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The force of suv falling off a nearly 100 ft cliff, will open doors, crash out windows, etc. Car crashes without a car falling off a cliff will have these effects.

I don't think belts on or off matter. No one was going to survive the crash either way.

moo
 
We don't really know what Devonte meant by asking the neighbors ~"did you call CPS?". We have only interpreted it through our own filters, through this neighbors interview. He could have meant a few different things.

1. ~"did you call CPS?" = What are you waiting for if you haven't, please call now! or
2. ~"did you call CPS?" = Trying to gain information to know when to expect them- either because he wanted them to show up or he didn't.

moo
 
SATA said:
It bothers me that the CPS just left when the visit went unanswered.
Three times no less.

Those people have a history of abuse, but I don´t think they should just leave in any case.

They should at least have alerted the police.

I don´t want to slam the neighbours, but I do think their reaction was too little, too late.
There were some serious red flags.

Children are generally not believed over grown ups. Their testimonies are not trusted, even though they are proven right, over and over again.
I think you should trust what a child says, it is usually the truth, and if you see a terrified child escaping in the middle of the night, hey, what are you waiting for?!

Those kids were so let down.
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People here on WS, sadly, have questioned the kids. [emoji174]

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Poppyflower said:
The force of suv falling off a nearly 100 ft cliff, will open doors, crash out windows, etc. Car crashes without a car falling off a cliff will have these effects.

I don't think belts on or off matter. No one was going to survive the crash either way.

moo
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I totally understand that. I’m just wondering if it might imply a crime. Like, the kids maybe weren’t belted because they tried to get out but the doors might have had child locks engaged preventing escape.

I’m curious if the extra “lock” so to speak, might have stopped the doors from opening on impact. Or at the very least, have they checked for child safety locks?
 
Zelda1010 said:
This hug video is more disturbing for me to watch in light of the timeline that has materialized. (https://newsone.com/3786740/devonte-hart-video-surfaces-beloved-festival/)

Yesterday I looked up the Nahko character. His story is one of being adopted at 9 mos by a fundamentalist family. His father introduced him to music at 6 and he went on to absolutely capitalize on his heritage, his ancestry, his story.

In 2012, Nahko's band is playing at a festival and the Hart family is dressed alike, as close to the stage as possible, and catches the eye of at least bandmate Max Ribner.

At some time in 2012, Max tells us, Sarah came out to Oregon and in 2013 Jen & kids follow. Max himself gives the children 2ce a month music lessons.http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...f/2018/03/hart_familys_idyllic_public_im.html

Enter the hug video. In 2013, Xavier Rudd, who occasionally performs with Nahko, nods to invite a young, costumed, sign wearing Devonte on stage for a free hug. At 8:15 he makes eye contact with someone and gestures repeatedly, Devonte closes in on the hug at 8:44 (see video first link)

To me, Xavier seems uncomfortable. Not at first. Well, D seems to oddly & uncomfortably hug the guitar. Once Xavier realizes D is in for a long hug, he repositions the mic to keep performing and hugging. Once D is really crying, X seems to get more comfortable and offer a very affectionate head rub to D. But it keeps going and going and X tries to go back to chanting and eventually X kind of shakes D off. He doesn't want to stop performing, he's been touched by this kids emotion, but D doesn't seem to understand what to do next, imo. D turns around and beams for a moment before scurrying off stage after about 2 minutes.

At the time, Jen shouts out a big thanks to the videographer bc she was too busy getting still shots. In 2014, Jen is mad that someone took the picture without permission, even though she herself was taking pictures. I think she was just mad she didn't get to control the narrative. People were hitting too close to home about Devonte's performance.

I was a theatre kid. Musical theatre. As a preteen I was VERY passionate about the messages in our performances. Encouraging the kids to perform is not what concerns me, but this all is so fishy in hindsight. There were people who had concerns even among their beloved festival goers, but did this band hold a particular influence? Did they unknowingly encourage abuse?

Xavier has not made any public comments that I'm aware of. I think he agreed to let the cute free hugs kid on stage for a hug. But I don't really think he just happened to spy him in the crowd.

And who shut down Jen's Facebook? When & why? Why not Sarah's?
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As to having your FB shut down, you can do that in facebook settings....you select a contact to have control over your FB if you die, then they can deactivate your page.
 
akazia1978 said:
As to having your FB shut down, you can do that in facebook settings....you select a contact to have control over your FB if you die, then they can deactivate your page.
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I know, but if she died in the crash, who had access to shut it down after all these screen grabs and MSM article quotes? And why not Sarah's? It must be a friend who wants them to have privacy and rest in peace?
 
enelram said:
IMO, Typically people so obsessed with privacy DO NOT ever answer the door, if they aren't expecting someone they know. Remember these people lived their lives in hiding.

The children were probably warned and threatened to never, ever answer door.
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I don't answer my door if I don't know who it is. Not because I'm obsessed with privacy, but definitely a safety issue.

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Zelda1010 said:
This hug video is more disturbing for me to watch in light of the timeline that has materialized. (https://newsone.com/3786740/devonte-hart-video-surfaces-beloved-festival/)

Yesterday I looked up the Nahko character. His story is one of being adopted at 9 mos by a fundamentalist family. His father introduced him to music at 6 and he went on to absolutely capitalize on his heritage, his ancestry, his story.

In 2012, Nahko's band is playing at a festival and the Hart family is dressed alike, as close to the stage as possible, and catches the eye of at least bandmate Max Ribner.

At some time in 2012, Max tells us, Sarah came out to Oregon and in 2013 Jen & kids follow. Max himself gives the children 2ce a month music lessons.http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...f/2018/03/hart_familys_idyllic_public_im.html

Enter the hug video. In 2013, Xavier Rudd, who occasionally performs with Nahko, nods to invite a young, costumed, sign wearing Devonte on stage for a free hug. At 8:15 he makes eye contact with someone and gestures repeatedly, Devonte closes in on the hug at 8:44 (see video first link)

To me, Xavier seems uncomfortable. Not at first. Well, D seems to oddly & uncomfortably hug the guitar. Once Xavier realizes D is in for a long hug, he repositions the mic to keep performing and hugging. Once D is really crying, X seems to get more comfortable and offer a very affectionate head rub to D. But it keeps going and going and X tries to go back to chanting and eventually X kind of shakes D off. He doesn't want to stop performing, he's been touched by this kids emotion, but D doesn't seem to understand what to do next, imo. D turns around and beams for a moment before scurrying off stage after about 2 minutes.

At the time, Jen shouts out a big thanks to the videographer bc she was too busy getting still shots. By 2014, Jen is mad that someone took the infamous cop picture without permission, even though she herself was taking pictures. I think she was just mad she didn't get to control the narrative. People were hitting too close to home about Devonte's performance.

I was a theatre kid. Musical theatre. As a preteen I was VERY passionate about the messages in our performances. Encouraging the kids to perform is not what concerns me, but this all is so fishy in hindsight. There were people who had concerns even among their beloved festival goers, but did this band hold a particular influence? Did they unknowingly encourage abuse?

Xavier has not made any public comments that I'm aware of. I think he agreed to let the cute free hugs kid on stage for a hug. But I don't really think he just happened to spy him in the crowd.

And who shut down Jen's Facebook? When & why? Why not Sarah's?
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It isn't shut down for me. I can only see the profile and the cover pictures but the account was not deleted. I can't see much on Sarah's either. I was never able to see any of the posts y'all have been mentioning so, I don't really know.
 
Agreed. You never know what precipitated that photo. One of my most treasured photos is of the 5 of us kids in the front yard just after being given gifts. We were all grinning. It was the last group picture of us before we were shipped off to different relatives because our mother neglected to care for us, no food, no hygiene, no supervision, etc.
 
PayrollNerd said:
Agreed. You never know what precipitated that photo. One of my most treasured photos is of the 5 of us kids in the front yard just after being given gifts. We were all grinning. It was the last group picture of us before we were shipped off to different relatives because our mother neglected to care for us, no food, no hygiene, no supervision, etc.
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That is sad, so sorry you all had to go through that!
 
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