CA - Jaycee Dugard, 11, South Lake Tahoe, 10 June 1991 - #2

[mysteriew]

Contra Costa Sherriff apologizes for missed opportunities. reading this article makes me even more angry about the neighbors call. it says not only did he say that there were children living in the backyard, but that Garrido was psychotic and a sex addict. THE DEPUTY DIDN'T EVEN CHECK THE BACK YARD!!!

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime/ci_13223930

"Contra Costa County Sheriff Warren Rupf acknowledged today that his agency failed to detect a hidden backyard compound at the Antioch-area home of a registered sex offender and missed two opportunities to rescue the girl he is accused of kidnapping.

"We missed an opportunity to have intervened earlier," Rupf told a news conference. "We are beating ourself up over this and are continuing to do so."

Rupf added, "I offer my apologies to the victims and accept responsibility for having missed a chance to rescue Jaycee."

Personally if they find out that he has been abusing the 11 and/or 15 year old girl, since his visit in 2006 I hope they file dereliction of duty charges on that deputy. LE has the means to run a criminal history on persons they are investigating. And the sex offender registry was active in 2006. And if the deputy didn't know the guy was a sex offender, it is only because he was too lazy to check. He may also have found that the guy was parole. The caller said children living in the back yard, a psychotic and a sex addiction. The deputy goes out and talks to the guy in his front yard? IOW he didn't feel like investigating.

The info about the "soundproof room" located in the compound is scary.

 

[mysteriew]

See, when reports like this come out, it only gives fodder for those creeps like O'Reilly to say "oh, she liked it and wanted to stay there."

The title of this article, "Kidnapping Victim Was Not Always Locked Away," cannot be farther from the truth.

This young woman was most definitely locked away--her entire identity had been stolen from her, her faith in humankind had been severely altered, her sense of security within the bosom of her own family had been ripped away.

Jaycee had locks surrounding her entire being by virtue of all that she had endured at the hands of two cretins who have no right to continue breathing oxygen. The locks that kept Jaycee where she was were no less binding than any lock made of steel--and likely, were ten times stronger than steel.

Jaycee was in survival mode, and I am sure that was the only thing that kept her alive. We have no way of knowing how many threats she heard against her own life or that of her family by these subhuman monsters. She did what she had to do in order to survive, and likely to protect the ones whom she truly loved--her mother, step-father and little sister.

I sure better not hear one negative word come out of O'Reilly's mouth or he will get an objurgation the likes of which he would never fathom or envision.

(The term objurgation was specifically chosen because O'Reilly likes to make himself look like a bigshot with his use of obscure and seldom used words. An alternative term for objurgation is "tongue lashing." I wonder if Mr. Pompous will have to pull out his thesaurus to look it up!)

And don't forget that after she turned 14 there was a hostage. Her daughter was also his daughter. If she left, would her daughter be taken from her?

 

[mysteriew]

I keep thinking about the wife. Sadly I am no longer shocked about sex offenders and/or whatever they may do including murder, holding them for years or anything. Angry maybe, but not shocked. There have been just too many of them.

But the wife. She helped to kidnap the child. She knew the child was living in her back yard. And I suspect she cared for the child while he was in prison. She helped deliver the child's children. She had to know the child was being abused. And she did nothing!

She makes me ashamed to admit that she is even a woman because I don't want to share anything, even gender with this alleged woman. I am not sure I even want to believe that she is a human being.

Jaycee's children are now 11 and 15 years old. I cannot help but wonder if they were being abused also. Both are now the same age or older than Jaycee was when she was abducted.

 

[JoeFromLB]

I think he must be elated - not only because Jaycee has been found alive - but because his story has been confirmed, 100%, and he's no longer under suspicion. I feel sorry for him.....for all of them.

I'm not sure they're actually divorced. IIRC, they are separated and not living together, but I don't think they've divorced.

Has anyone ever seen any reference to Jaycees bio dad? I never have. Wonder where he's been and is now????

He was interviewed this afternoon on the John and Ken Show here in L.A. on KFI 640-AM, and he kept referring to her as "my wife". I would think he'd be saying "ex-wife" if they were divorced.

A tragic little detail: Mr. Probyn said that he was told by LE that Garrido and wife snatched Jaycee at random. They just happened to be driving down the street that day and impulsively grabbed her. They did not stalk her beforehand

Another tragic little detail is her stepdad didn't have his car keys on him at the time and desperately tried to chase them on his mountain bike. He thought that by the time he went back in the house to grab his keys they would be long gone.

 

[Dani_md]

Seeing how they charged them under certain dates I can't help but wonder if the sicko kept a journal detailing his disgusting acts! Could that possibly be the documents he referred to?

 

[thefragile7393]

Probably true, but If she wanted kids, why didn't she protect them and keep them in the house?
nice and comfy etc. I can almost understand a woman wanting a baby so bad ...........but to hold a girl captive and raping her, ruining her life!
Making her have babies to her husband and letting him do this. This woman is very quilty also of what happened to all 3 children! JMO

The blurb made it sound like his idea (not that she's innocent by any means though I do wonder if she's another Hedda Nausbaum). I don't know, it's not like any of their thinking is logical to start with anyway, so just because it's beyond ridiculous to us doesn't mean wasn't logical to them. I mean, this is guy who thinks God talks to him out of a box so......there you go.

 

[Fairy1]

Personally if they find out that he has been abusing the 11 and/or 15 year old girl, since his visit in 2006 I hope they file dereliction of duty charges on that deputy. LE has the means to run a criminal history on persons they are investigating. And the sex offender registry was active in 2006. And if the deputy didn't know the guy was a sex offender, it is only because he was too lazy to check. He may also have found that the guy was parole. The caller said children living in the back yard, a psychotic and a sex addiction. The deputy goes out and talks to the guy in his front yard? IOW he didn't feel like investigating.

Yes, yes, yes and YES! Laziness is so prevalent these days. But the burden on LE is so much more critical than, say, a customer service rep at a bank. They cannot be derelict in their duties - EVER!

 

[mysticrose]

It's times like these when I just wish we would bring back the firing squad, it would be a lot cheaper for us taxpayers...

 

[Missizzy]

Here's the link to information released today concerning the two Berkeley officers--IMO, the real heroes here. Didn't someone mention a few pages back, that they imagined the officer had to be a woman with maternal instincts? Well, you were right on. Officer Jacobs makes that comment herself. It's beyond me how they had the ability to let those children leave with Garrido (knowing full well that they had no grounds to hold him). They couldn't have slept a bit that night. Can you imagine their relief and joy at this outcome?

http://berkeleydailyplanet.com/issu...vents-That-Led-to-Kidnapping-Suspect-s-Arrest

Another interesting issue is the comment about the daughter's "tumor":

"When Jacobs asked the younger daughter about the “tumor-like” bump under her brow, the officer said she was a little surprised at the way the girl responded. The girl said it was a “birth defect, could not be operated on, and she would have it for the rest of her life.”

Does it strike anyone else as unusual that the child has a growth or bump on her face as does Garrido? Any medical experts out there who could comment on this? The whole interview is just as creepy as can be. Officers Jacob and Campbell were tremendously struck by the odd behavior of these children. What evil could have programmed in the blank stares and penetrating eyes? I can only pray that it's not too late for these little ones.

 

[mysteriew]

I can't help thinking about her mother. She is reunited with her daughter after 18 years. Instead of the 11 year old that was taken from her, she is getting a 29 year old woman. That would be a major adustment. And knowing, guessing and fearing what happened to her in the intervening years.

But she is also getting two grandchildren. But not in the usual sense that you get grandchildren. These girls are 11 and 15. And they are your beloved daughter's, beloved daughters. But they are also the daughter's of the monster who took your child from you, who raped your child and caused both you and her so much pain.

That too is going to be a major adjustment. How do you love the children of a monster? It can be overcome, but it is something that will have to be adjusted to. For the girl's, the life they had before is all they have known. And this new life may be scary. And it sounds like at least the 15 year old was very attached to her father. So it is possible that the new grandmother may have to hear the new grandchild cry about missing her father, about him going to prison.

At a time when she wants/needs to concentrate on reconnecting with her own daughter, she also has to get to know, adjust to, and support her daughters children.

 

[Californian]

Originally Posted by gitana1
I don't buy this. Antioch is not a sanctuary city. Not even close. It's actually pretty conservative. Not all of the bay area is a hippy liberal bastion, ya' know and we can't blame the illegal immigrants for everything, as much as some would like.

Antioch is absolutely not a sanctuary city. The Garrido house is right outside the line of Antioch city limits; so even though it's in Antioch, it's patrolled by Contra Costa County Sheriff's Office, and the County is not a sanctuary county.

Okay, Rupf needs to resign over this!:furious::furious::furious:

Warren Rupf has been our Sheriff almost 20 years and with the department more than 40 years and is well respected in most circles. He doesn't need to resign. What he will do is sign the termination papers for the deputy that failed to properly investigate when he was dispatched to the home back in 2006, because we can be sure that employee will be held responsible for his lack of action and will definitely be dismissed from the job. Rupf is not the kind to take a screw up like this lightly.

 

[JBean]

He was interviewed this afternoon on the John and Ken Show here in L.A. on KFI 640-AM, and he kept referring to her as "my wife". I would think he'd be saying "ex-wife" if they were divorced.

A tragic little detail: Mr. Probyn said that he was told by LE that Garrido and wife snatched Jaycee at random. They just happened to be driving down the street that day and impulsively grabbed her. They did not stalk her beforehand

Another tragic little detail is her stepdad didn't have his car keys on him at the time and desperately tried to chase them on his mountain bike. He thought that by the time he went back in the house to grab his keys they would be long gone.

Here is the interview:

http://www.kfiam640.com/pages/podcasting/
John and Ken 4 pm hour

 

[Indianagirl]

For anyone interested, I found this mini-documentary (6 min) on Jaycee made in 1995. It has a dramatization of her abduction. Her Mother, Father, detective, and school teacher are all interviewed. They describe her personality and who she was and her teacher talks about the type of student she was. Her Mom also shows Jaycee's bedroom. It's very heartbreaking to watch her Mother and Step-Father. I'm just so glad she is finally home.

http://www.veeple.com/link/nAfINsHbC%2BI%3D

 

[mysteriew]

Can anybody get access to property records here? I'd be interested in purchase year, property value and taxes on the property.

Working on a theory. I don't think this looks like the property of backyard preacher or a garage printer. So where did he get the money to purchase the property, pay the taxes and upkeep on the property? I hate to say it. But I think he found some other source of income. And when I think SO and computer......

 

[JBean]

Can anybody get access to property records here? I'd be interested in property value and taxes on the property.

Working on a theory. I don't think this looks like the property of backyard preacher or a garage printer. So where did he get the money to purchase the property, pay the taxes and upkeep on the property? I hate to say it. But I think he found some other source of income. And when I think SO and computer......

I can. post the address for me please?

 

[Indianagirl]

Can anybody get access to property records here? I'd be interested in property value and taxes on the property.

Working on a theory. I don't think this looks like the property of backyard preacher or a garage printer. So where did he get the money to purchase the property, pay the taxes and upkeep on the property? I hate to say it. But I think he found some other source of income. And when I think SO and computer......

I believe I read the house is his mothers. When her husband died in the 90's he left it to her. Garrido moved in with her after his release from prison.

Please correct me if I am wrong!

 

[LinasK]

Can anybody get access to property records here? I'd be interested in purchase year, property value and taxes on the property.

Working on a theory. I don't think this looks like the property of backyard preacher or a garage printer. So where did he get the money to purchase the property, pay the taxes and upkeep on the property? I hate to say it. But I think he found some other source of income. And when I think SO and computer......

He didn't purchase it. I read somewhere the house is his mother's and he and Nancy had moved in with her.

 

[Fairy1]

Antioch is absolutely not a sanctuary city. The Garrido house is right outside the line of Antioch city limits; so even though it's in Antioch, it's patrolled by Contra Costa County Sheriff's Office, and the County is not a sanctuary county.

Warren Rupf has been our Sheriff almost 20 years and with the department more than 40 years and is well respected in most circles. He doesn't need to resign. What he will do is sign the termination papers for the deputy that failed to properly investigate when he was dispatched to the home back in 2006, because we can be sure that employee will be held responsible for his lack of action and will definitely be dismissed from the job. Rupf is not the kind to take a screw up like this lightly.

I will NOT make any excuses for the officer that dropped the ball in 2006. I also do not believe that officer will be disciplined in any way now. We can hope, but really, I'll believe it when I see it.

I don't believe for one second that the responding officer was protecting illegal aliens. I DO believe they were just lazy. Which scenario is more frightening???

 

[Fairy1]

I believe I read the house is his mothers. When her husband died in the 90's he left it to her. Garrido moved in with her after his release from prison.

Please correct me if I am wrong!

Her husband (first) didn't die - he is still living. But it is her house.

 

[Indianagirl]

Her husband (first) didn't die - he is still living. But it is her house.

IIRC it was her second husband that died and left the house to her.