CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #10

[citygirl]

Talking "trophies". Didn't say "evidence". Don't care how it was put there on his phone. Don't care if it was a screenshot. CM isn't "family". He was an employee. He certainly didn't show up when the memorial was erected. Fact is that is was on his phone.
How many pics of murder victim memorials do you have on your phone?

You wrote "let's be real here". Murderers typically have trophies of their handiwork...that's real, not fiction.

Someone earlier in the trial posted a question. Something like was he involved with the family after they disappeared and did he attend the memorials? Did he offer condolences to the family? Don't think it was ever answered.

 

[mothwings]

I wonder if Charles' sister threatened to sue if they posted day 26 on YouTube? I'm not seeing anything. : (

 

[missy1974]

I wonder if Charles' sister threatened to sue if they posted day 26 on YouTube? I'm not seeing anything. : (

See post below.

So I went to chat to ask about the upload... AddiLawCrime is the one that uploads it, so I asked her.

Fri Mar 1, 10:44:46am


AddiLawCrime: @missy1974Unfortunately, for the next few weeks, I am going to be behind with updating archives. I have to wait to get the footage, and there is a lot of waiting time, am working on getting up ALL trials as best I can. Everything will be back to normal soon tho, but please bear/bare or whatever it is with me until the issue gets resolved and I can get back to getting the footage I need in a more timely manner.

 

[Recidivist]

Due to websleuths rules, I will say it is my opinion yes

I think that the fact he stayed gone for hours and days at a time while gambling and spending all the money is a form of abuse. imo.

 

[mothwings]

Dear Prosecution team,
I am still on the fence about your case. I would like to know if you have any witnesses that will attest, under oath, that they have seen Mr. Merritt show violence and rage? Did he or does he have a short fuse? (I have seen no evidence presented on this so far.) I find it hard to believe that there would be no signs of violence in the murderers past. Connman, lire, and thief does not make a man a murderer. If I consider the "serial killer types," they know how to blend in. JJDeAngelo showed the ability to snap and go into a fit of rage reported by his neighbor. JJD stalked and murdered while having 3 daughters. I pray everyday for the McStay family and ask that the murderer be punished for this horrific crime.

I consider "paddling" a little boy for two hours every 5-minutes a form of rage. That is child abuse IMO—never mind the "corporal punishment" euphemism.

 

[Penny Parker]

I found that part so chilling.

I agree, he wanted to look at the pic so he could relive his crimes ove ,and over again.

Even after he had already murdered them all he still seethed with abnormal anger, rage, and hatred.

That showed through when he relished in trashing Summer to everyone who would listen.

Killing them all wasn't enough for him. He had to continue to victimize.

All of this does give us a creepy glimpse into his mindset even after murdering them all.

IMO, He certainly has traits of a psychopath. This is how he was able to con victims for years with ease. No conscience.

Its how he was capable of murderering 4 people. They have no emotions or feelings/attachments for others, other than themselves.

They do fake or try to mimic normalcy by watching what other people do.

Even that may come across as strange, when they do it at times, because a person has to feel it, for it to be believed, as a normal response.

A perfect example is when he saw nothing wrong whatsoever with trashing Summer publicly for all to hear, when anyone who is not a psychopath would know that is very bizarre response, Especially when someone's best friend, and his entire family had vanished.

Yet he thought it was perfectly acceptable to do.

Like Mrjitty said, he felt entitled to do everything he did.

In regards to trashing Summer, I was taken aback at the way he talked about her in the CNN interview I recently watched. As you said, it was just very inappropriate. His dislike was so evident.

 

[KALI]

I know he did not attend Joey's paddle out ceremony. Nor, did he assist with the searches or flyer postings.

Someone earlier in the trial posted a question. Something like was he involved with the family after they disappeared and did he attend the memorials? Did he offer condolences to the family? Don't think it was ever answered.

 

[Force Ten]

Let's be real here. Many people take photo's of memorial sites and pictures at gravesite's. And since 2014, how many people carry a camera when they have phones capable of taking the pictures? You may not, but lots do. There are a ton of photo's out there of the McStay memorial site, and if you google just "McStay memorial" there are a lot of pictures with a lot of different people, some that knew them, some that didn't. Quite a few with Joey's brother, Mike. What does that mean? It means nothing to me. There are some people here that post that have actually been to the site.... did they take pictures? I bet they did! I know I would if I went. Does that mean they are sick too? Or is only because you think Chase is guilty?

I haven't listened to that testimony yet, was that a photo or was that a screenshot from an article like most of the other "evidence" on his phone?

I hear a lot hinky bells with this picture. He was going to use the pic for his book, is that what's being suggested? The picture is a screenshot from the dailymail article he did, they own the rights. If he wanted to use it he could easily go to them to get it. So, I don't buy this excuse one bit. Oddly enough, I can't find that pic now.

With that aside, what purpose does it serve? Would he keep it for personal reasons? To show people? People involved with him already knew his involvement. Maybe it was to show new friends/business asssociates ""Hey, you might have heard of me".

No?

Having a picture of himself with the cross seems just bizarre I have been to the site and took many pics, of the memorial and surroundings. I didn't take any selfie's and to me this is sort of what that appears to be. It's a reminder, his way of returning to the crime scene.

This is more of a statement than a question, was there any other pics other than the tire tracks and him at the cross?

 

[Frankie Hellis]

AddiLawCrime: @missy1974Unfortunately, for the next few weeks, I am going to be behind with updating archives. I have to wait to get the footage, and there is a lot of waiting time, am working on getting up ALL trials as best I can. Everything will be back to normal soon tho, but please bear/bare or whatever it is with me until the issue gets resolved and I can get back to getting the footage I need in a more timely manner.

I feel L&C is not run as professionally as it should be. I understand that no one is paying for the ability to watch the trials (the advertisements now added to the youtube videos notwithstanding), as I have been reminded repeatedly when I've stated I don't like the commentary on the network version of L&C. I am all but certain the end game is to have a subscription network. They most certainly will have to compete with Court TV in the near future. It troubles me that they have so much difficulty with the live streaming, or the audio, or whatever other technical issues they have so often. Then you have the moderators of their chat application posting petty comments if anyone questions the technical issues. Those moderators are the face of the business. They should not be posting some of the statements they have posted. I have seen where they have actually mocked other posters, because they dared to criticize the lack of volume or the live feed issues they have so often.

The above is one of those unfortunately (IMO) worded statements. She should not admit to any "issue" and she should not make it obvious she is single handedly responsible for all the content on youtube. She should have written, "It is currently in the editing department and will be released as soon as possible."

Maybe I am too much business-oriented, but this has bugged me for quite some time. I am sure Dan Abrams has visions of an empire, but you can't be an empire when you appear to be small and unprofessionally operated.

 

[Force Ten]

I know he did not attend Joey's paddle out ceremony. Nor, did he assist with the searches or flyer postings.

Nope, nor was he at the memorial service. Many of Joseph's friends and family were there. I wonder if he's even been to their new burial site.

Casinos were calling.

 

[Longtimenoc]

So I went to chat to ask about the upload... AddiLawCrime is the one that uploads it, so I asked her.

Fri Mar 1, 10:44:46am


AddiLawCrime: @missy1974Unfortunately, for the next few weeks, I am going to be behind with updating archives. I have to wait to get the footage, and there is a lot of waiting time, am working on getting up ALL trials as best I can. Everything will be back to normal soon tho, but please bear/bare or whatever it is with me until the issue gets resolved and I can get back to getting the footage I need in a more timely manner.

Thanks for your efforts but very disappointed.

 

[Longtimenoc]

I found that part so chilling.

I agree, he wanted to look at the pic so he could relive his crimes ove ,and over again.

Even after he had already murdered them all he still seethed with abnormal anger, rage, and hatred.

That showed through when he relished in trashing Summer to everyone who would listen.

Killing them all wasn't enough for him. He had to continue to victimize.

All of this does give us a creepy glimpse into his mindset even after murdering them all.

IMO, He certainly has traits of a psychopath. This is how he was able to con victims for years with ease. No conscience.

Its how he was capable of murderering 4 people. They have no emotions or feelings/attachments for others, other than themselves.

They do fake or try to mimic normalcy by watching what other people do.

Even that may come across as strange, when they do it at times, because a person has to feel it, for it to be believed, as a normal response.

A perfect example is when he saw nothing wrong whatsoever with trashing Summer publicly for all to hear, when anyone who is not a psychopath would know that is very bizarre response, Especially when someone's best friend, and his entire family had vanished.

Yet he thought it was perfectly acceptable to do.

Like Mrjitty said, he felt entitled to do everything he did.

At the time he felt like he had gotten away with it, after all the murdering sob was writing a book.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Nope, nor was he at the memorial service. Many of Joseph's friends and family were there. I wonder if he's even been to their new burial site.

Casinos were calling.

Yeah, I'm sure going to the casinos were far more important to him, like it seemed to be in a every facet of his life.

 

[A lucas]

Nope, nor was he at the memorial service. Many of Joseph's friends and family were there. I wonder if he's even been to their new burial site.

Casinos were calling.

I wonder what would prevent someone from going to their ‘best friend’s’ memorial services or stop them from helping with their search. Wild horses wouldn’t keep me away.

 

[Mony Mony]

I wonder what would prevent someone from going to their ‘best friend’s’ memorial services or prevent them from helping with their search. Wild horses would’nt keep me away.

I know! But going to the memorial wouldn't make him innocent. Jodi Arias went to her victim's memorial, iirc

 

[Longtimenoc]

Oh yeah I agree with all this.

A key question is why today? Why did the McStay's get murdered on the 4th of February after knowing Chase for so long?

There was a flashpoint. But it didn't come from nowhere. He built up to this in his usual self destructive way.

Who knows what set him off. He started his career of check forging a few days earlier. Perhaps he thought he could talk his way out of it. Maybe he was loaded. I am so dissapointed in Jarvis, she holds the key.

 

[Longtimenoc]

I bet he has another trophy.

Yep. Out in the desert.

 

[fridaybaker]

IMO, CM carrying around that photo of cross does not necessarily indicate guilt. It could be a momento of his dirty deed, or it could be just a pic of his friend's grave,
Personally, I don't put a lot of emphasis on that.
They did say he had a picture of a bush that was near the graves. Now that is strange. Maybe something was buried there or he was using the bush as some sort of landmark.

Bush as a landmark: I like this. Obviously, there is certainly the possibility that Chase took a photo of the cross at the gravesite in a completely innocent capacity. However, I'm thinking many of us don't really buy Chase as the photo-taking kind of guy. It strikes us as rather odd that he would do so! Now the bush. The bush. I wonder when it was taken? Because why on earth would someone like Chase, obviously the photo-loving kind of guy he is, take a photo of a....bush?

Hmmm. Perhaps he's into nature as well as plumbing and digging holes in the dessert. Myself, I like to go around identifying plants, animals, birds, weeds -pretty much anything and everything living in the natural world. I not only take pictures of them, I often break off little pieces for further identification and study. Perhaps Chase, once he's found not guilty here, could join me in some of these pursuits?

Seriously, no one can know for sure if Chase is guilty of taking trophy photos from his own gruesome crime scene or was innocently capturing an artistic shot of his best friend's burial site as a memento, but I know which I think best fits our very-involved father figure here. Is a photo of a cross on Chase's phone direct evidence that he murdered the McStays? Of course not. Just like the rather coincidental change in accounting system isn't. Etc. What it is, is a piece of a puzzle that seems to fit with an awful lot of other puzzle pieces. When put together, they look an awful lot like Chase Merritt - brutally murdering his friend and family, then digging their bodies into the dessert not far from his own stomping grounds.

I sort of see two groups of folks on this forum: Those who see and analyze evidence piece by piece, and who think everyone else who doesn't isn't considering the facts. Those in the other group believe they analyze evidence in connection with other evidence, and think the first group is looking at trees, whilst ignoring the forest. I'm not sure there is ever going to be agreement between said camps! I see some smart people in both, though, whether or not I agree with all of them.

 

[fridaybaker]

I found that part so chilling.

I agree, he wanted to look at the pic so he could relive his crimes ove ,and over again.

Even after he had already murdered them all he still seethed with abnormal anger, rage, and hatred.

That showed through when he relished in trashing Summer to everyone who would listen.

Killing them all wasn't enough for him. He had to continue to victimize.

All of this does give us a creepy glimpse into his mindset even after murdering them all.

IMO, He certainly has traits of a psychopath. This is how he was able to con victims for years with ease. No conscience.

Its how he was capable of murderering 4 people. They have no emotions or feelings/attachments for others, other than themselves.

They do fake or try to mimic normalcy by watching what other people do.

Even that may come across as strange, when they do it at times, because a person has to feel it, for it to be believed, as a normal response.

A perfect example is when he saw nothing wrong whatsoever with trashing Summer publicly for all to hear, when anyone who is not a psychopath would know that is very bizarre response, Especially when someone's best friend, and his entire family had vanished.

Yet he thought it was perfectly acceptable to do.

Like Mrjitty said, he felt entitled to do everything he did.

BBB: This.

 

[mrjitty]

Who knows what set him off. He started his career of check forging a few days earlier. Perhaps he thought he could talk his way out of it. Maybe he was loaded. I am so dissapointed in Jarvis, she holds the key.

My experience with sociopaths is they embark upon highly risky, ill advised plans and are very impetuous.

So to any normal person, of course forging the cheque was bound to end in disaster but as you say, he likely told himself it would work out, or not be discovered. IMO the flashpoint was precisely as you say. He thought he could talk his way out of it, but for the first time ever, Joey stood up to him.

I've had a direct experience where i had to point out to a sociopath that their illegal (not criminal) scheme would end in large financial loss. They laughed it off saying they would take all the risk. So I said, well how legally, will you protect us from the fallout? Then they got quite angry and demanded that I simply agree and let them worry about all of that. It showed both aspects. The first is the entitlement. But the second is the inability to foresee obvious consequences

Sometimes I think they court disaster intentionally - because they revel in the conflict.