CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #10

[Texas Red]

I disagree with some of the above comments. I am pretty certain that they do surveillance on the poker tables. They check for card counting and other cheating methods, routinely. And if someone has a big win, they will review the tapes before letting someone cash out 500k in chips:


"You can bet on it: if you hit a big jackpot, or get on a major hot streak, security has its eyes on you. “When someone is winning a lot of money, they’re always going to get checked by us,” Derk says. “They’re not going to know it, of course. Say a guy wins $100,000 on a blackjack game. I just want to make sure that it’s legal, that he didn’t cheat, that he didn’t count cards or something like that.”

Derk says in that instance, security will do a player evaluation: They will review his/her play on video for signs of cheating or card counting. Then they’ll check out the player. “We have a database of bad guys that are out there and what kind of scams they pull, so we’re gonna check for that,” Derk says."

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“I am pretty certain that they do surveillance on the poker tables. They check for card counting and other cheating methods”

You obviously have a very limited understanding of casino games and of gambling in general. It is true that video surveillance on the casino floor is extensive. As I had said this is to protect the casino’s money. Card counting is used in the game of blackjack, which is located on the casino floor, but is of limited benefit in a poker game.

Back in 2010 I played poker quite often at the San Manuel Casino’s poker room, perhaps even at the same table as CM, however, I have no recollection of him. When I say that the cell phone reception was jammed at that time I’m speaking from personal experience, you can choose to believe what I’m saying or considerate it a complete fabrication it really doesn’t matter as I was just attempting to give some insight to something very few of you here appear to know about. But as usual it ends up with someone wanting to argue about it.

 

[citygirl]

I too have begun to suspect this was an idea taking shape in his mind days or weeks earlier.

However I see the money side differently to you. A person with this kind of personality disorder feels entitled to the money in the first place. This is why he cons people and ripped off Joey, and then escalated to just stealing the money. But money is just a place the drama happens with this sort of abusive personality. Money was part of his control and manipulation of Joey.

But crushing a child's skull was not about money.

This was something he enjoyed doing. He wanted to do it and planned to do it.

This is the most difficult part for me. Pondering the cruelty of what they endured . Due to my faith I'd like to think that those sweet babies were spared any suffering . They were lifted up. And I am not a yada yada. Just so you know.

 

[missy1974]

I wish I could recall this better, but I seem to remember that Joey and Patrick usually spoke every Friday. I thought Joey became aware of the discrepancy on the morning of the 4th? So, likely he didn't realize the problem until after he'd spoken with Patrick. However, I'm not 100% clear on this, so any input is appreciated!

How do you think he learned about the discrepancy? This is what I'm wondering. He was not in the habit of calling the bank according to those that have looked at his records. I'm not sure if telephone banking could be done by calling the branch, usually a 1-800 for that, and I am unaware of what was and wasn't available in the US in 2010.

IF he had logged into his banking, wouldn't that show up on his computer? Could it even be done on a phone back in 2010?

I think if he did look at his bank account, balance, or whatever, it would be important to show. We have heard nothing like this though.

 

[fridaybaker]

OT:
I'm watching a case on OWN right now where the suspect had no criminal history ever, much less any violent criminal past record.

Yet he was perfectly capable of doing a brutal overkill by stabbing a young woman 59 TIMES almost decapitating her!!!!

It shows we cant judge a book by its cover.

I respectfully disagree on this part though, asyousay. Love your moniker btw. Lol

CM liked Joey because he knew Joey was a pushover, and a very easy target he could take advantage of very easily. That's what he liked about Joey, imo. What he knew he could get from Joey by pretending to play the nice guy when he knew he would reap the reward.

Since I fully feel CM is a narcissistic psychopath they are just like he is.

They can be very charming, and charismatic to their targeted victims they know they can easily manipulate. It's those tools they use to deceive others.

As long as everyone stays in the good graces of the psychopath everything is just fine,

BUT cross them in any way then its hell to pay, and their vengeance can resort to brutal murders which are often macabre horrific overkills.

Even though most dont resort to murder, but if they feel they have been crossed in any manner, they will try to make the lives of their living targets a pure living hell.

Imo

Ocean, I think what you say is right on target. I've come across the "narcissistic psychopath" type of person, "up close and personal". They are often incredibly charming, or can be when they want to be. They have a capability to hone in on a target person -someone who can be easily manipulated by them, that is astounding. Like a heat-seeking missile. It's something that most people can't comprehend.

Also, I find that they are so manipulative of people in general, that they often are able to isolate and alienate those who would question them or who, for some reason, become their target. They often are able to intimidate and even terrorize their target, because they know exactly how to isolate them. The majority of people around them, in my experience, can't see it. Only the person being targeted and terrorized can.

I agree with your assessment of CM as this type of personality. My thinking is that he is capable of the worst kind of terror and violence, all the while able to make most people around him think he's a kitten. A loveable underdog. An involved father. A lamb.

 

[katydid23]

“I am pretty certain that they do surveillance on the poker tables. They check for card counting and other cheating methods”

You obviously have a very limited understanding of casino games and of gambling in general. It is true that video surveillance on the casino floor is extensive. As I had said this is to protect the casino’s money. Card counting is used in the game of blackjack, which is located on the casino floor, but is of limited benefit in a poker game.

Back in 2010 I played poker quite often at the San Manuel Casino’s poker room, perhaps even at the same table as CM, however, I have no recollection of him. When I say that the cell phone reception was jammed at that time I’m speaking from personal experience, you can choose to believe what I’m saying or considerate it a complete fabrication it really doesn’t matter as I was just attempting to give some insight to something very few of you here appear to know about. But as usual it ends up with someone wanting to argue about it.

I never denied that the cell coverage might be jammed, did I? That would make sense.

But that doesn't matter, in my opinion. Because if Chase was playing in a poker game at a casino, at the time in question, he would have alibied himself already.

 

[LadyL]

I consider "paddling" a little boy for two hours every 5-minutes a form of rage. That is child abuse IMO—never mind the "corporal punishment" euphemism.

who did he do that to?

 

[mom2chloe]

FWIW, those of you have never had a “pet Sociopath” as Mr Jitty so eloquently put it, should count your lucky stars. Not all commit murders but they are certainly not immune IMO. I’ve had my fair share as I’m sure many of you have as well.

 

[missy1974]

“I am pretty certain that they do surveillance on the poker tables. They check for card counting and other cheating methods”

You obviously have a very limited understanding of casino games and of gambling in general. It is true that video surveillance on the casino floor is extensive. As I had said this is to protect the casino’s money. Card counting is used in the game of blackjack, which is located on the casino floor, but is of limited benefit in a poker game.

Back in 2010 I played poker quite often at the San Manuel Casino’s poker room, perhaps even at the same table as CM, however, I have no recollection of him. When I say that the cell phone reception was jammed at that time I’m speaking from personal experience, you can choose to believe what I’m saying or considerate it a complete fabrication it really doesn’t matter as I was just attempting to give some insight to something very few of you here appear to know about. But as usual it ends up with someone wanting to argue about it.

Thanks for that info, it's interesting! I tried to go back and see if they had policies listed on their website back then, but they didn't.

 

[Texas Red]

I never denied that the cell coverage might be jammed, did I? That would make sense.

But that doesn't matter, in my opinion. Because if Chase was playing in a poker game at a casino, at the time in question, he would have alibied himself already.

That makes no sense whatsoever because if he really needed to fabricate an alibi he would have said he was in the poker room even if he wasn’t. CM had to know that no video existed that could have proved it one way or another.

 

[Meemaw12]

ABC10 reporting.

A 3 lb sledge hammer with paint swipe on it

Traces of CMs DNA in Trooper

Cell phones records show CM in Fallbrook and near Victorville around the time the family disappeared.

Suspicious checks totaling tens of thousands of dollars
That appear to be falsely written from McStays QB account. Many backdated and deposited in CMs account. Merritt also had several withdrawals at Casinos.

Yea they got the murderer.

Guess I need to say IMO and link provided.

 

[citygirl]

Ponce was released because he had a lot of documents to review and required a delay to do so. As a result, Chase elected to go pro bono to speed up the process due to his heart condition and for lack of finances to cover costs.

David Call was released when Chase hired Mettias. In May 2015, Merritt retained Mettias and David Askander to represent him. Mettias brought aboard Victorville attorneys Sharon Brunner and Jim Terrell to assist, then Rajan Maline after Terrell left the defense team.

Could be way off base but I think he did this to get all the info. Testimony etc. He was sitting in a jail cell. Nothing to do. All the time in the world. I would have done the same.

 

[cobalt sky]

“I am pretty certain that they do surveillance on the poker tables. They check for card counting and other cheating methods”

You obviously have a very limited understanding of casino games and of gambling in general. It is true that video surveillance on the casino floor is extensive. As I had said this is to protect the casino’s money. Card counting is used in the game of blackjack, which is located on the casino floor, but is of limited benefit in a poker game.

Back in 2010 I played poker quite often at the San Manuel Casino’s poker room, perhaps even at the same table as CM, however, I have no recollection of him. When I say that the cell phone reception was jammed at that time I’m speaking from personal experience, you can choose to believe what I’m saying or considerate it a complete fabrication it really doesn’t matter as I was just attempting to give some insight to something very few of you here appear to know about. But as usual it ends up with someone wanting to argue about it.

Well I appreciate your insight @Texas Red, even though I might not always agree with what you have to say. I feel that ALL posts here are valuable, if someone doesn't like or agree they can simply scroll on by. <modsnipped unnecessary comment> That's the great thing about this place, so many different opinions, theories, thoughts, I enjoy having the opportunity to hear them all . All IMO!

 

[katydid23]

That makes no sense whatsoever because if he really needed to fabricate an alibi he would have said he was in the poker room even if he wasn’t. CM had to know that no video existed that could have proved it one way or another.

OK, sorry, but I am lost. I don't understand what you are trying to say.

Are you saying that Chase was in a casino during the time he needs an alibi--or not?

 

[missy1974]

Could be way off base but I think he did this to get all the info. Testimony etc. He was sitting in a jail cell. Nothing to do. All the time in the world. I would have done the same.

What prevented his lawyers from giving him that info?

 

[Tortoise]

What are your thoughts on those missing 2 hours?

I think it likely Joey arrived in Rancho Cucamonga at 12.52 pm expecting to visit Chase at his home, when his phone pinged off the tower near Chase's residence. He called Chase to say he was there and Chase invented an excuse which he then had to convey to Cathy in case Joey called her, and Chase told him he'd meet him at Chick-fil-A when he could get there.

I think Joey waited there and Chase didn't show up. Joey called him at 3 pm to tell him to come to the house later when he was done, which was Chase's plan anyway, to go there and murder them that day.

My earlier post here shows Chase's phone pings, the reason why I don't think he went to lunch, and the phone towers next to Starbucks.
CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #8

 

[citygirl]

Yes, good points! I had no idea until the trial that MSM was as involved as they were with the fountain business. And Sequeida Jr. and Carmen's testimonies were very eye-opening.

I want to know where the Sequeidas were on Feb 4th-8th

Now that there is funny.

 

[geevee]

I have been off the grid for many years. This whole L&C channel is new to me. Just wondering? When did this all come about? It seems to be in it's in fancy?

Dan Abrams started a legal news website called LawNewz a couple years ago; maybe two years ago this May he bought out Cathy Russon's Court Chatter site (which had live video streams of trials and chatting) and changed the company name to Law & Crime.

They now have their own cameras and equipment and can be the pool camera for trials, Cathy Russon is their senior trial producer and sometimes attends trials to report on scene.

They had a stint on A&E with live trials for a few hours a day - don't know if that will be back or if they'll have their own TV channel in the future. I'm sure there are more details and other things in the works but that's the basics that I'm aware of.

 

[Texas Red]

Well I appreciate your insight @Texas Red, even though I might not always agree with what you have to say. I feel that ALL posts here are valuable, if someone doesn't like or agree they can simply scroll on by. For example, I usually just scroll by certain posters that post the same redundant, melodramatic, know-it-all smug trial predictions posts that interestingly have thus far mostly crashed and burned. That's the great thing about this place, so many different opinions, theories, thoughts, I enjoy having the opportunity to hear them all . All IMO!

Thank you, cobalt, your summation is on point.

 

[citygirl]

What prevented his lawyers from giving him that info?

Did he have lawyers at that time? If so, would they have given him all the papers?

 

[missy1974]

Thank you for the kind words missy, they come few and far between when you have an opinion that’s contrarian to the majority. Same old place I guess.

Good to see you back It's hard when you are not in the majority.... I have turned minority since the beginning of the trial and a few times I have had to just walk away for a bit Having your local experience is a value though and believe me, even if you don't think some are reading or "hearing" you, there are many more that read and do not post I wish more that 'lurk' would post.