CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #10

[JMarsh]

The cheques to me prove he did it. Only a person who knew the family were dead would of backdated cheques to when Joey was alive.

I think the way the Gianni and Joey Jr and Summer were killed indicate it was him because of the weapon used and the brute force used.

But I am not convinced he will be found guilty.

So the checks are really the thing. OK. That makes sense. Not quite sure I get the "brute force" part, but the checks I understand.

 

[Texas Red]

OK, sorry, but I am lost. I don't understand what you are trying to say.

Are you saying that Chase was in a casino during the time he needs an alibi--or not?

You’re saying that if CM was really in a casino he would have informed investigators of that so he had an alibi. I don’t know if he was at a casino or not. What I am saying is if he really needed an alibi he could have said he was at a casino even if it wasn’t true. This suggests to me that he’s being truthful saying he was running around somewhere because he sincerely doesn’t remember where he was.

 

[missy1974]

Did he have lawyers at that time? If so, would they have given him all the papers?

Well you said you thought he did this (firing his lawyers) so he could have the files... you are not the only one that has said that. I'm just wondering if there is a reason why he couldn't have them if he did have a lawyer?

 

[JMarsh]

I find it strange that he would carry around a photo of the grave site . If he was Joeys best friend like he claimed surely he would want photos of a happier time of them all together?

Why would he want to remember the worst time of his best fiends life?

If he was writing a book he'd need his own pictures of the gravesite, otherwise he would have to pay for their use.

 

[missy1974]

You’re saying that if CM was really in a casino he would have informed investigators of that so he had an alibi. I don’t know if he was at a casino or not. What I am saying is if he really needed an alibi he could have said he was at a casino even if it wasn’t true. This suggests to me that he’s being truthful saying he was running around somewhere because he sincerely doesn’t remember where he was.

Well he had just cashed a cheque for $2495 on the 2nd.... and since some believe that every penny he cashed was spent in a casino... maybe he was on a lucky streak?

I was at the casino today..... woman beside me playing a slot said she lost her first $450 and had just taken out another $200

 

[katydid23]

You're right, and it's most likely where he was when the family was murdered.

So, you seem to be saying that Chase was in a poker room when the family was being murdered.

If he had such a believable alibi, why didn't he say so back when he was first interviewed?

Why did he say he was home watching a movie with CJ?

 

[mom2chloe]

That makes no sense whatsoever because if he really needed to fabricate an alibi he would have said he was in the poker room even if he wasn’t. CM had to know that no video existed that could have proved it one way or another.

It makes perfect sense as to why CM never had an alibi. If he had been gambling in a casino, any casino, there would be irrefutable proof on video that he was there. The casino knows when you wipe the wrong way. Cameras are literally everywhere. CM knew this to he true and hence why he never claimed to be at the casino. IMO

 

[Texas Red]

Good to see you back It's hard when you are not in the majority.... I have turned minority since the beginning of the trial and a few times I have had to just walk away for a bit Having your local experience is a value though and believe me, even if you don't think some are reading or "hearing" you, there are many more that read and do not post I wish more that 'lurk' would post.

I nominate you for the Nobel Peace Prize and diplomat of the year combined.

 

[JMarsh]

This article says "strings of delays" on both sides, 5 delays attributed to Merritt. Yet he wanted a speedy trial because he only had six months to live due to CHF.
Trial of alleged McStay family murderer postponed again

Wikipedia says CM went through FIVE attorneys (causing delays)

McStay family murder - Wikipedia

That wikipedia page is riddled with error. I wouldn't rely on it at all.

 

[JMarsh]

He was sick apparently.

He sounded fine the day before. Both these attorneys likely have other cases they are working on.

 

[katydid23]

You’re saying that if CM was really in a casino he would have informed investigators of that so he had an alibi. I don’t know if he was at a casino or not. What I am saying is if he really needed an alibi he could have said he was at a casino even if it wasn’t true. This suggests to me that he’s being truthful saying he was running around somewhere because he sincerely doesn’t remember where he was.

OK, well I was confused by your answers because you began by saying he was most likely in a casino when the murders took place. Then you showed your reasoning, discussing jammed cell phones and no video, etc. So you seemed to be making a case for him being in a casino.

But now you are saying that because he didn't say he was in a casino, that lends credibility to his lack of an alibi and his inconsistent statements about those dates.

I am not sure he can use that as a defense. ;-}

 

[missy1974]

So, you seem to be saying that Chase was in a poker room when the family was being murdered.

If he had such a believable alibi, why didn't he say so back when he was first interviewed?

Why did he say he was home watching a movie with CJ?

I shouldn't speak for @Texas Red , but if I understand what is being said is... in the poker rooms, the surveillance is limited, and there would not really be a record of him being there. IF Chase was going to try to MAKE UP an alibi, lying and saying he was in a poker room would have done the trick.

Just my understanding of what was posted...

 

[JMarsh]

And that’s exactly what happened when the main job was given to Metro with Chase demotivated to plumber and electrician so he was already on a losing streak.

On top of that Joey was making strides with his new house purchase and some lucrative deals coming in. CM was never going to get the cut he wanted given he wasn’t doing the main bulk of the custom work. He was flat broke and in fact owed JM 42k. Resentment coupled with the green eyed monster got to Chase...

There is no evidence that Chase was demoted. The sense I got was that the iron work, was always outsourced, and Chase's job of final touches, etc, was the same as it ever was. Metro had that gig because of Chase. And Joe, the owner, had issues with Joey.

 

[missy1974]

He sounded fine the day before. Both these attorneys likely have other cases they are working on.

I asked Cathy in L&C chat... that's what she told me lol

 

[JMarsh]

But according to Sequeida, MSM was already doing the welding. So why would Joey need to hire another welder? I like Patrick, but imo you have to take everything he says with a grain of salt. He never said anything about Joey being unhappy with Chase's work until AFTER Chase was arrested. Patrick is easily influenced by people and over the years has had a tendency to parrot whatever the hanger-on-of-the-moment is whispering in his ear. To be clear, I think he is a grieving father/fil/gf who wants to help and wants justice for his family but I also think people have taken advantage of this over the years.

Also, it's important to remember that Sequeida himself testified that he was hoping to change the focus of his business to doing exclusively fountains. He liked the idea that he didn't have to do all of the up-front work (field visits, preparing quotes, etc) and it was easier money with less work. I wonder if Joey and Chase were aware of this lol. I wonder if Sequeida taking on more responsibility regarding completing the fountains had more to do with them wanting to edge Chase out (and eventually possibly Joey) in order to increase their own percentage of profit as opposed to Chase's lack of ambition and quality of work. Regardless, Joey already has a willing welder (MSM) who was ready to completely re-organize his entire business to focus exclusively on his fountains so I just don't see him planning on hiring another welder. Could he have been planning along with Sequeida to edge Chase out of the picture altogether? That would definitely be motive I think. But I also think if there was any evidence of that we would certainly have heard about it from the pros. So imo there is as of yet no solid evidence that Joey had any plans on firing or replacing Chase.

Or steal Joey's business from both Chase and Joey. Maybe someone should be looking a little closer at where the Sequiedas were on the days in question.

 

[JMarsh]

I asked Cathy in L&C chat... that's what she told me lol

OK. Thanks.

 

[JMarsh]

I would expect Joey to be livid that morning too about the checks. But he spoke to PM shortly before leaving for his lunch meeting in RC and never mentioned anything was amiss. In fact PM said, “everything was fine.”

And Joey looked at the Custom account and he spoke to his bank. He never cried foul, he never changed his passwords or put a stop payment on any checks.

 

[Texas Red]

So the checks are really the thing. OK. That makes sense. Not quite sure I get the "brute force" part, but the checks I understand.

I see it different. I think CM was attempting to exploit the fact JM was nowhere to be found and he dated the checks to Feb. 4th in order to give himself an out so when JM returned it would be CM’s word against JM in case JM did happen to report the missing money to police. CM was street smart he’s not going to kill a family and then followup with a crime that’s going to lead police right to him.

 

[mom2chloe]

I shouldn't speak for @Texas Red , but if I understand what is being said is... in the poker rooms, the surveillance is limited, and there would not really be a record of him being there. IF Chase was going to try to MAKE UP an alibi, lying and saying he was in a poker room would have done the trick.

Just my understanding of what was posted...

There are literally cameras everywhere in every casino. As much as CM might have liked to claim he was there gambling even he was smart enough to know that it wouldn’t hold water.
See what I’ve done! I’ve actually given CM credit for not being a complete idiot.
He was not in a casino and he knows it;otherwise that would have been his alibi from day one. IMO

 

[missy1974]

Or steal Joey's business from both Chase and Joey. Maybe someone should be looking a little closer at where the Sequiedas were on the days in question.

Naaa if they wanted to steal it, it could have been done easily after the McStay's disappeared, just like I feel that if Chase's end goal was to take over the company, he would have put more effort into that in those months after JMO

I have a feeling that Sequieda Sr. may have liked Chase, Jr. didn't... Sr. and Jr. seemed to have their own issues and didn't get along, this would have just been another thing where they didn't see eye to eye. Sequieda Sr. seemed to be more ticked that Joey wouldn't tell him the selling price of the fountains, thus, calling him a crook. JMO based off of Sequieda Jr.'s and Carmens testimony.