CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #18

[missy1974]

Are they done with Bachman? But yes, I don't know of any other witnesses left other than Rudin. Hope McGee will be back for that. I don't think Maline has enough, err, umm, shall we say expertise to question Rudin.

I agree about McGee... he needs to be the one to question Rudin, I don't think Maline can do it... I don't think Maline thinks he can do it LOL I'm interested to find out at what point Rudin changed his opinion... it had to have been after that 402 hearing since the State was more than willing to call him the next day to the stand, but IIRC there were some things they had not read yet either until after that hearing.

IMO I *think* all of the questions about the measurements of the truck and near the McStay residence and the FARO scan questions will all tie in to Rudin's testimony. IIRC from that 402 hearing, it was very recently before that hearing that Rudin was given the FARO scan of the neighborhood... which allowed him to calculate things... I'm assuming this is when the back light had to change to a 'reflection' because it was impossible for it to be the back light. Before that Dr. Rudin had "matched" that back light as a point in his analysis as seen in the 402 hearing... this was part of what the defense video guy disagreed with.

 

[smr]

That's hilarious. I don't remember seeing that comment.

I actually remember who said it

 

[citygirl]

I agree about McGee... he needs to be the one to question Rudin, I don't think Maline can do it... I don't think Maline thinks he can do it LOL I'm interested to find out at what point Rudin changed his opinion... it had to have been after that 402 hearing since the State was more than willing to call him the next day to the stand, but IIRC there were some things they had not read yet either until after that hearing.

IMO I *think* all of the questions about the measurements of the truck and near the McStay residence and the FARO scan questions will all tie in to Rudin's testimony. IIRC from that 402 hearing, it was very recently before that hearing that Rudin was given the FARO scan of the neighborhood... which allowed him to calculate things... I'm assuming this is when the back light had to change to a 'reflection' because it was impossible for it to be the back light. Before that Dr. Rudin had "matched" that back light as a point in his analysis as seen in the 402 hearing... this was part of what the defense video guy disagreed with.

I think the PT got askeered when he offered to help the DT . LOL.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

One cannot ever find what they dont seek to find.

I dont believe for one second the defense can't find DK.

I remember they made sure to tell the media that outside the well of the court this same hogwash months ago.

Right after then one of our posters easily found DKs recent activity on the internet. Bawhaaa! I guess he's hiding in plain site. Or maybe they forgot to check the internet like all cops do when searching for someone.

Have they addressed this with the judge? I highly doubt it because they can lie, and say anything they want to outside of the court, but they know they can't lie in court. They would have to prove to the judge they have tried to locate DK. They then could ask for his assistance.

If a subpoena was needed to be issued the judge would sign it, and the DT could ask for assistance in finding DK if the defense was unable to locate him. He would tell the police to find him, and haul his butt to the courtroom.

DK would be in contempt of court, and the judge would sign a bench warrant for his arrest for failing to appear.

Show the jury the actual subpoena the defense issued to DK. Imo, its nonexistent. It's as ridiculous, and nonexistent as the defense assertion DK is the killer.

Imo

 

[missy1974]

What about their cell guy too? McGee made a big deal about him before the trial and in opening.

hmmm from opening statements, when he was introducing the "Team".... he doesn't actually say he will testify, there are others that are mentioned as part of the "Team" but also not said they would testify. Looking at this, they didn't even say Beasley would testify.


So we built a team, the first person that you may hear his name, he may testify , is Gary Robertson, he was our investigator on this case. 34 years with San Bernardino Sheriff Dept... San Bernardino City Police, 20 years as a homicide detective or Sergeant of that team, investigated well over 500 homicides.

We also brought in Suzanne Serdahely, who is seated with Mr. Merritt, she's 27 years as a private investigator, involved in at least 24 death penalty cases in a serious manner, she had minor interactions with other one's, but that's what she does.

We saw that there is a lot of information about the crime scene, so we wanted to get the person that we knew about crime scenes, so we got Randy, or Randolph Beasley involved. He has spent 30 years with the San Bernardino Sheriff's Department as a crime scene specialist, a trainer for many of the people who you will hear testify in this trial.

We then elicited a DNA expert, who is Suzanna Ryan, she has 20 years experience as a DNA analyst, she has a Masters in Science and Forensic Science. She will be offering her opinion on different parts of the DNA, she will be explaining the DNA process to you. She made some observations which helped in our direction for our investigation into what really happened.

We have a Vlad Jovanovic, who is our cell tower expert. We wanted somebody that knew cells, who knew cell networks. He has a Bachelor's of Science, Masters of Science, PhD in Electrical Engineering. He spent 35 years working in communication networks, 25 of that in cellular networks, where he optimized them. Checked them to see if they were working properly, developed them, tested them. He knows the towers and how they work and what they can tell you.

We next knew this was a financial case so we contacted a Dennis Shogren who’s a forensic accountant. He had been an accountant for 20 years. His primary purpose is he’s a forensic accountant in trusts and wills, he likes to see where money goes, where it’s spent. It’s funny we really needed him cos this is a financial case but the government never looked for an accountant to tell them where the money went. You’re gonna learn about that. Our expert gave them a report, they hired one now. I guess we’ll see where that goes.

And then we also went to Elluma Discovery which is a computer science firm, their expertise is computer forensic analysis. You’ll be hearing from them. The things that you’ll hear about, what happens on the computers, who’s doing what, they went down to the code and they’re going to tell you exactly, during the testimony, what they see.

 

[missy1974]

I think the PT got askeered when he offered to help the DT . LOL.

Right LOL The one thing it did show though was that Dr. Rudin really doesn't care what the outcome is... it either is or it isn't. I was actually more inclined to think it was Merritt's truck because of his opinion after that 402 hearing , and it really didn't seem like he was just trying to "fit" it into the theory. Now... well, we'll see what he has to say, but the Prosecution lost me at "reflection off the latch".

 

[Texas Red]

Which would be highly unethical on their part.

If the PT were concerned about ethics they would have called Rudin to testify even though he refused to promote their charade. They've already crossed that line.

 

[Karinna]

Wasn't questioning you, Missy. But seriously, if the DT thinks he murdered this family of four wouldn't they feel morally bound to find him? Get this perp on the stand?
IMO, they are feeding us baloney.
They have NO desire to put him on the stand. MOO.
And, I disagree that it will help their case, especially in the juror's eyes.
DK,DK,DK.......where is he?

Agree, they need to put up or shut up about DK. I don't think they want to have him up on the stand as a witness, because of any further incriminating stuff he could tell in court about CM as far as Joey's business etc. I doubt the DT wants to risk that.
Remember when they were trying to implicate MM?

 

[Force Ten]

If the PT were concerned about ethics they would have called Rudin to testify even though he refused to promote their charade. They've already crossed that line.

You're assuming. We don't know know why they went with Liscio.

 

[Recidivist]

So now the topic becomes what business partner means....
Leaving aside whether you are correct or not (I think not), if you replace "business partner" by "associates" or "employee" or whatever, the gist of my post #805 does not change.

If you recall from the other day, the testimony was that EIP was set up as a sole proprietorship, which means one owner, and no partners. So, in the eyes of the IRS and State of California, Joseph was the sole owner.

 

[Karinna]

If you recall from the other day, the testimony was that EIP was set up as a sole proprietorship, which means one owner, and no partners. So, in the eyes of the IRS and State of California, Joseph was the sole owner.

That is right. Joseph McStay was the only owner of EIP.
He employed DK & CM for certain aspects of his business, like a builder will subcontract to an electrician, plumber etc.

 

[missy1974]

You're assuming. We don't know know why they went with Liscio.

I know I've assumed some things LOL That's why I'm interested to hear what he has to say ... the only thing that makes sense to me is that after he got more info, and figured out the camera angle, the rest was probably "easy" for him ... I can only assume that since the defense is calling him now that it is favourable to them.

 

[Karinna]

I know I've assumed some things LOL That's why I'm interested to hear what he has to say ... the only thing that makes sense to me is that after he got more info, and figured out the camera angle, the rest was probably "easy" for him ... I can only assume that since the defense is calling him now that it is favourable to them.

BBM, And the DT seem to have an uncanny knack for proving the State's case LOL & IMO.

 

[Texas Red]

You're assuming. We don't know know why they went with Liscio.

Yes I am, but I think it's a good assumption. Hopefully, will know soon unless the judge ends up disappearing, nothing would surprise me at this point.

 

[Mony Mony]

BBM, And the DT seem to have an uncanny knack for proving the State's case LOL & IMO.

I was thinking the same thing. They will probably end up shooting themselves in the foot with Rudin.

 

[Chelly]

7h7 hours ago

Cathy Russon Retweeted Heidi Stephens

#McStay - The defense told me they've tried to subpoena Dan Kavanaugh and he's nowhere to be found.

 

[missy1974]

BBM, And the DT seem to have an uncanny knack for proving the State's case LOL & IMO.

I would disagree

 

[Force Ten]

I know I've assumed some things LOL That's why I'm interested to hear what he has to say ... the only thing that makes sense to me is that after he got more info, and figured out the camera angle, the rest was probably "easy" for him ... I can only assume that since the defense is calling him now that it is favourable to them.

Well so far, every one of the state's witnesses they've called has worked against them. I guess we'll see.

 

[Karinna]

If the PT were concerned about ethics they would have called Rudin to testify even though he refused to promote their charade. They've already crossed that line.

BTW, Love your avatar,

 

[missy1974]

Well so far, every one of the state's witnesses they've called has worked against them. I guess we'll see.

Again, I would disagree. But hey, I also thought the prosecution shot themselves in the foot many times with their witnesses and not everyone agreed, or actually that the defense was able to get more points across on their cross of their witnesses.... so whatever LOL You know what they say about opinions....

I wish I had the time to go through all the witnesses and what I think was good/bad for each side... I just don't right now lol I have 155 pages of notes in one Word doc thank goodness for the "find" function LOL At this point though... I'm just waiting for it to end....

 

[Texas Red]

BTW, Love your avatar,

Thank you, I found it at the farmers co-op site.