Found Deceased CA - Kiely Rodni Missing From Party Near Prosser Family Campground in Truckee since 8 Aug 2022 #5

[indicolite22]

Water searches are *really* hard. The water levels may have changed. There were three bodies of water to consider in the vicinity of the party. And if LE had searched the water for days and neglected to follow up on abduction theories, had she actually turned out to have been abducted, folks would have been coming for their heads then too, so they had to broaden their search.
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It seems a little tacky to me that people are saying that LE discouraged them from searching Prosser—if they wanted to discourage them, they could have simply prevented it, saying it was an active investigation. LE did not do that.

SBM. "If LE had searched the water for days.." They actually did but they missed her. I'm not saying it's their fault; they might lack the right knowledge/equipment. As far as discouraging AWP from searching Prosser, LE told them they already grid searched it. Even before arriving on site, AWP stated that they always start from zero and check the areas that have been searched before. It's not the first time they found the missing person that way. The info is from recent AWP yt announcements and posts.

 

[SteveP]

DBM

 

[getthefax]

SBM. "If LE had searched the water for days.." They actually did but they missed her. I'm not saying it's their fault; they might lack the right knowledge/equipment. As far as discouraging AWP from searching Prosser, LE told them they already grid searched it. Even before arriving on site, AWP stated that they always start from zero and check the areas that have been searched before. It's not the first time they found the missing person that way. The info is from recent AWP yt announcements and posts.

Thank you.

I understand — but I want to add that saying that LE had “already grid-searched Prosser” is not precisely the same as discouraging AWP from searching Prosser. I have not seen a single substantiated statement from LE saying they didn’t think AWP should double-check anything.

Double-checking is what AWP does.

AWP has enough cases under their belts to know that “already searched” doesn’t mean the missing car isn’t there.

This distinction speaks to the specialization that AWP has honed, the limitations of extant LE on scene, and to the general difficulty of water searches in general. AWP wouldn’t exist if LE were able to find all of the missing vehicles.

 

[JnRyan]

I first heard about AWP in the cold case of Danielle Imbo and Richard Petrone. AWP was not successful in finding the vehicle in the obvious places of an accident. I was disappointed at the time and had doubts about their expertise, but after seeing how quickly they found the car when they put in at Prosser Reservoir, I'm thinking they ruled out a major theory in that case.

 

[JRW]

Major announcement?

That's what I heard and I'm waiting dor the press conference...also watched the awp video feom an hour ago and they were saying it is still a highly active investigation with the FBI and local law enforcement...and they are limited to the scope of details they can release.....hoping the press conference at 11 will clear some of this up....

 

[Elley Mae]

That's what I heard and I'm waiting dor the press conference...also watched the awp video feom an hour ago and they were saying it is still a highly active investigation with the FBI and local law enforcement...and they are limited to the scope of details they can release.....hoping the press conference at 11 will clear some of this up....

Make me think that maybe someone else drove it in.

Jmo

 

[WestGL]

I find it a strange argument that many are apologizing for law enforcement because they don’t have the right equipment or specialized knowledge. That’s what they’re paid for, that’s why they are The Professionals!

This wasn’t just some underfunded local deputy without the right equipment! This was a massive search with federal and state and local authorities and special search and rescue teams for water and air.

Why are taxpayers spending millions of dollars for federal investigators and state investigators and search and rescue teams and local investigators and airplanes and helicopters and boats and scuba, if it’s all ineffective?

When a few dudes with side sonar can find it in a few minutes?! Personally, I find all the hundreds of people and thousands of hours devoted on this case a HUGE embarrassment and a waste of taxpayer dollars, when volunteers can solve it in a few minutes.

 

[RedHaus]

Hi, hopefully someone much smarter than me can explain how the car flips over in 14 feet of water and in the video I saw you can clearly see the car from the air in the water. How on earth did they not see that when using helicopters over the last 2 weeks? In addition wouldn't there be some oil/gas slicks right in the area from the submerged car? It may have already been explained but would love an explanation that makes sense....thanks.

Hi @Done&done. To answer your question about upside down, from the educational video by AWP (about getting out of a car under water) posted up thread (worth a watch!), a car naturally goes upside down if it is in deep enough water because the air in the tires make them buoyant. Not buoyant enough to counter the car's weight as it sinks. But that is why cars turtle in the water. AWP in that video said nearly all the cars they find under water are upside down.

ETA: fix a bunch of typos, sorry!

 

[Beekarina]

I just wish Kiely had asked SS if she could get a ride with HER, or called home for a ride instead of to come home later.

This is where I do wonder a bit if maybe the older crowd or someone out there could have been rumored to be spiking drinks? Maybe this could be why LE was frustrated?

Very sad outcome to the night.

 

[justme11]

A little off-topic but hopefully allowed: AWP mentioned their next case is Jolisa Fuentes - does anyone have the the correct spelling of her name? It’s always interesting which cases get national press and interest vs which don’t.

There's a forum here for Jolissa.

Found Deceased - CA - Jolissa Fuentes, 22, Selma, 7 Aug 2022

Police searching for missing woman in Selma Family pleads for help finding missing Selma woman, offers $2,000 reward SELMA, Calif. (FOX26) — A Selma family is searching for a 22-year-old woman who’s been missing for days now. “Find my granddaughter. My son’s daughter," pleaded Earl...

www.websleuths.com

 

[RedHaus]

Or maybe AWP have better equipment. According to their presser, it was a new AWP member who first spotted an object in the water on sonar. That object was then identified as a car by a more experienced team member in another boat. They had two boats on the lake, both equipped with sonars.

I am a bit behind since late last night so sorry if this has been posted (I will go back to catch up, but also want to be current!). And I offer this idea with a wink in my eye because the odds are highly unlikely... But...

What if KR and her car were dumped into Prosser Reservoir (down that dirt / beach stretch) AFTER LE had finished their grid-type search of the reservoir... meaning, what if in the dead of night late last week someone moved KR's car?

 

[Gigi3]

Is there any link to their statement that the windows were rolled up? I did see them say the car was upside down in 14 feet of water. It came out right side up so must have been turned around in the recovery process.

It's still strange that it looks like front window is broken while rear windows are rolled down. But at this point I'm just waiting to hear what their post recovery investigation reveals.

I have done night diving once as a scuba diver and that gives a sense of how difficult it is to even know which way is the surface under water in the dark. If water rushed in to open windows in the dark with no moon, it's pretty easy to see how she couldn't get out. I found many comments on this thread helpful in visualizing it.

It looks like possibly a wrong turn down the beach instead of back up the dirt road to home. It's still puzzling to me that someone who knew the area would keep driving down the beach.

Was her phone recovered? some of the new iphones are supposed to have high degree of water proofing. I wonder if there will be any way for them to pinpoint the exact time she went in.

Because it looks like she would have driven the dirt road a bit before making a wrong turn, I suppose the only way someone would see is if there were people down by the beach where she went in

I was thinking about Kiely probably knowing the area and why she would choose that route.

Perhaps there were a lot of cars coming and going, and she thought that she could avoid the congestion by taking a “short cut”.

Maybe then, she became disoriented and that’s how she ended up where she did. JMO.

Still praying for her family and friends.

 

[Trebor5591]

Body found in California lake near where teen went missing

A car and body were found 14 feet below the lake's surface, but officials have not confirmed if it is missing teen Kiely Rodni.

www.kxxv.com

 

[JosephK]

Correct me if I'm wrong, and I hope we will get accurate toxicology reports to clarify this, but the only reason we have to believe Kiely even consumed a single alcoholic beverage is from her friend's statement. Isn't that right?

People talk about jumping to conclusions, disparaging people, etc., but aren't we in a way doing that by jumping to the conclusion that Kiely was "wasted," just because one person says so?

 

[jbennett]

Or trauma to the body/ other evidence that points to a non-accidental death and cover up.

 

[indicolite22]

I don't think they did, I'm sure I recall them referring to AWP as "Rogue". JMO until I can find a link

It's a weird (and IMO inaccurate) description of them.

"On Thursday, the number of personnel assigned to search for Rodni was 73. Searchers will soon be joined by a rogue search and rescue group Adventures with Purpose, according to the sheriff's office."

Officers conduct sex offender sweep in Truckee & North Lake Tahoe in connection with Kiely Rodni disappearance

As part of the search for Rondi, law enforcement officials have conducted sex offender sweeps.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Beekarina]

I was thinking about Kiely probably knowing the area and why she would choose that route.

Perhaps there were a lot of cars coming and going, and she thought that she could avoid the congestion by taking a “short cut”.

Maybe then, she became disoriented and that’s how she ended up where she did. JMO.

Still praying for her family and friends.

I wonder too, if she may have gone down that way to get a bit of air, sit by the water, and that is where she called Sami?

Maybe she became disoriented at that point and drove right in somehow? (i.e. impairment from last half hour or so of partying + fatigue really kicking in?)

If the party was 300-ish people, and really wild, the noise might still carry, and that could be why Sami heard party in the background? Edited: And of course, there could have been other cars around, music on. Not saying anyone saw her go in, but explaining "party noise."

Would fit the last "ping" and times well. Just a thought.

 

[steeltowngirl]

A little off-topic but hopefully allowed: AWP mentioned their next case is Jolisa Fuentes - does anyone have the the correct spelling of her name? It’s always interesting which cases get national press and interest vs which don’t.

Jolissa Fuentes. She's older and the circumstances aren't such that a case like that is going to get national attention.

Thanks MassGuy. The original misspelling was my own. Apologies!

 

[MassGuy]

I am a bit behind since late last night so sorry if this has been posted (I will go back to catch up, but also want to be current!). And I offer this idea with a wink in my eye because the odds are highly unlikely... But...

What if KR and her car were dumped into Prosser Reservoir (down that dirt / beach stretch) AFTER LE had finished their grid-type search of the reservoir... meaning, what if in the dead of night late last week someone moved KR's car?

That's just not normal criminal behavior, and that's assuming something like that was even possible in the first place.

One scenario is that you have an intoxicated teenager who had an (unfortunately) all too common type of accident.

The other scenario is basically a bad movie plot that would take stunning luck.

 

[MsMarple]

With the information we currently have my best working theory (MOO) is that Kiely had all the windows down prior to driving, maybe to minimize the smell of marijuana or just to talk to other partygoers. It's likely she either didn't buckle up when she started her car or else she unbuckled when she hit water.

Remember, Kiely was (allegedly) so drunk/high that she almost immediately drove into the nearest body of water so we can't expect that she was even able to take lifesaving measures. According to the website linked below, it takes about 5 minutes for a car with closed windows to sink. With all of the windows down that reduces the time to, what, maybe 1 - 3 minutes?

I hate to say it but IMO Kiely could have passed out behind the wheel just before entering the water or else lacked the wherewithal to respond in what would have seemed a blink of an eye.

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• Most entries of vehicles into the water are smooth entries with the water cushioning the blow. Most people survive the initial impact with minimal or no injury at all.
• If you remain relatively calm there should be enough time for you to take action to save your life and the lives of your passengers.
• Newer cars that are better at keeping sound out will likely also be better at keeping water out.
• Most vehicles will float for a minute or two before beginning to sink. Cars usually sink at an angle, with the weight of the engine pulling down the front first. A rear-engine car sinks trunk-first.
• It is possible that the vehicle might flip onto its roof in deeper water.
• In a test in a controlled environment experts from the police tried to sink a car and were surprised to find that it took 5 minutes for the vehicle to sink.
• In a car that sinks front first, there will be a bubble of air in the back, but you should stay in the front ... the front windows are often bigger and easier to get out of — for all passengers.

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