GUILTY CA - Laci Peterson, 27, pregnant, Modesto, 24 Dec 2002 #2

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The Netflix Documentary was very good. I’m still amazed at the grace and restraint Sharon Rocha exhibits. But shocked that the Peterson family twenty years later, still lives in complete denial.

Flash forward to 2024. Conner could be a college student at Cal Poly. Laci loved SLO, I can imagine her coming back here to visit him. Reminiscing about her own college days, meeting and marrying the man of her dreams. Looking forward to watching Connor experience that same joy in life. So much was lost.

Scott was a murderous con man. A spoiled, narcissistic, little man child, who thought everyone would believe his lies just like his Mommy and the other women in his family did. Good riddance, I don’t want to hear anything more about him, until and when, DOC announces he’s died in prison.
 
In the days and weeks following the Christmas Eve 2002 disappearance of his pregnant wife Laci, Scott Peterson came across as unemotional and detached, and police soon deemed him uncooperative. In his few interactions with the media—including a high-profile sit-down with Diane Sawyer—he was dispassionate and his commentary was implausible, to the point that most pundits and viewers dubbed it a disaster. Scott was so unlikable and unpersuasive that it wasn’t long before much of America hated him. Thus, following preparations for cross-examination at trial, his legal team decided to keep him off the stand, fearing a meltdown that would sabotage his chance of securing an acquittal.

Nonetheless, 21 years after he last spoke to the media, the convicted murderer opts to tell his side of the story on-camera in Face to Face with Scott Peterson. The results are, to put it mildly, less than convincing.

Full story at link...

August 19, 2024
 
In the days and weeks following the Christmas Eve 2002 disappearance of his pregnant wife Laci, Scott Peterson came across as unemotional and detached, and police soon deemed him uncooperative. In his few interactions with the media—including a high-profile sit-down with Diane Sawyer—he was dispassionate and his commentary was implausible, to the point that most pundits and viewers dubbed it a disaster. Scott was so unlikable and unpersuasive that it wasn’t long before much of America hated him. Thus, following preparations for cross-examination at trial, his legal team decided to keep him off the stand, fearing a meltdown that would sabotage his chance of securing an acquittal.

Nonetheless, 21 years after he last spoke to the media, the convicted murderer opts to tell his side of the story on-camera in Face to Face with Scott Peterson. The results are, to put it mildly, less than convincing.

Full story at link...

August 19, 2024
Okay several points to rehash here- 1) burglars who don't break into your house aren't likely to murder you, in fact most burglars aren't into murder, 2) the husband usually does it, 3) all the evidence points to Scott having means, motive, and opportunity to do it, 4) why would burglars go to the trouble of transporting her body so far from the crime in a broken van just to frame him??? What do they get from it? 5) once again- false sightings of Laci- other pregnant women walk dogs too. Laci wasn't wearing black and white when she was last seen.
 
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I know this is not a popular opinion. I just want to say that I am certainly not trying to offend or outrage anyone with my opinion either. I believe that Scott Peterson is innocent. I was hoping when I watched the Netflix documentary that it would provide additional insight, evidence, information, etc. about this case that would solidify my belief of his innocence or change my mind. Sadly, as much as I enjoyed the documentary, it did not support my belief or make me think differently.
 
I know this is not a popular opinion. I just want to say that I am certainly not trying to offend or outrage anyone with my opinion either. I believe that Scott Peterson is innocent. I was hoping when I watched the Netflix documentary that it would provide additional insight, evidence, information, etc. about this case that would solidify my belief of his innocence or change my mind. Sadly, as much as I enjoyed the documentary, it did not support my belief or make me think differently.
What makes you think he's innocent?
 
What makes you think he's innocent?

For me, it is the following:
  • There is 0 direct evidence linking Scott to the murder of his wife. Zero. There is no DNA, blood, forensics, etc. linking him to this crime.
  • His behaviour when she went missing and during the investigation/search efforts - Of course, I can agree, his behaviour is odd at best. But as someone who has been through significant loss, I know this - no matter the circumstances, you absolutely can't judge someone based on their behaviour and outward appearances when there is a loss/someone is missing/ etc. That isn't evidence he is a murderer. People handle extreme experiences and situations vastly differently to cope with what is happening.
  • His affair with Amber - personally, I feel, as soon as it was made public he was an adulterer, the heat especially from the media was cranked and this truly felt like the turning point where everyone said "He did it" Remember, before this information was made public and Amber made her statement, even Laci's family was defending Scott from any involvement
  • His calling Amber at the Vigil - again, I don't think this guy is a Saint. He is a cheater and liar, 100%. That move was in extremely poor taste BUT as hard as it is for any of us to understand, it was his escape from the media, the attention on him, Laci missing with their unborn child, etc. I would probably want to escape into something else if I was dealing with all of that too
  • His death penalty has been overturned due to inappropriate jury selection
  • The LA Innocence Project has taken on his case to request a new trial which, in itself, indicates, like the evidence they have, that something is amiss here
 
For me, it is the following:
  • There is 0 direct evidence linking Scott to the murder of his wife. Zero. There is no DNA, blood, forensics, etc. linking him to this crime.
  • His behaviour when she went missing and during the investigation/search efforts - Of course, I can agree, his behaviour is odd at best. But as someone who has been through significant loss, I know this - no matter the circumstances, you absolutely can't judge someone based on their behaviour and outward appearances when there is a loss/someone is missing/ etc. That isn't evidence he is a murderer. People handle extreme experiences and situations vastly differently to cope with what is happening.
  • His affair with Amber - personally, I feel, as soon as it was made public he was an adulterer, the heat especially from the media was cranked and this truly felt like the turning point where everyone said "He did it" Remember, before this information was made public and Amber made her statement, even Laci's family was defending Scott from any involvement
  • His calling Amber at the Vigil - again, I don't think this guy is a Saint. He is a cheater and liar, 100%. That move was in extremely poor taste BUT as hard as it is for any of us to understand, it was his escape from the media, the attention on him, Laci missing with their unborn child, etc. I would probably want to escape into something else if I was dealing with all of that too
  • His death penalty has been overturned due to inappropriate jury selection
  • The LA Innocence Project has taken on his case to request a new trial which, in itself, indicates, like the evidence they have, that something is amiss here
Okay thank you for stating your position. That being said, who do you think did it?
Should Scott get away with this crime just because he left no forensic evidence like blood or DNA? Maybe he was good at cleanup. Circumstantial cases can be just as strong as Direct Evidence, It's not a crime show. Affairs are often motives for murder, and Scott also didn't want to be a father. Also he told Amber on Dec. 9th that it'd be his first Christmas without his wife. (That's pre-meditation). Sharon Rocha didn't know about the affair when she sang his praises. As far as his "odd behavior"- it's Guilty behavior. He was getting ready to flee. The dyed Orange hair, the $10,000 cash and camping gear in his trunk. I used to live in San Diego. Torrey Pines Golf Course is about a 30 min. drive to the US-Mexico border. The Death Penalty overturn is a California thing. Our governor hasn't put anyone to death in years, so that's irrelevant. And I think the Innocence Project is fishing. The judge only granted DNA testing on one item of out many that they requested.
 
More thoughts on the lack of DNA/blood loss-1) Scott's DNA should be all over that house because he lived there. Therefore he must have done a thorough cleanup job. 2) It may have been a fairly bloodless killing because he supposedly killed her by strangulation. Lamp cord it was believed.
 
Okay several points to rehash here- 1) burglars who don't break into your house aren't likely to murder you, in fact most burglars aren't into murder, 2) the husband usually does it, 3) all the evidence points to Scott having means, motive, and opportunity to do it, 4) why would burglars go to the trouble of transporting her body so far from the crime in a broken van just to frame him??? What do they get from it? 5) once again- false sightings of Laci- other pregnant women walk dogs too. Laci wasn't wearing black and white when she was last seen.
to add to your line of thought, burglars do not know to dump the body of their victim in a place you will later put yourself at to police.
 
Scott’s face has changed dramatically in prison. His eyes have that hunted look of misery I think so many prisoners develop, or is it just my imagination?
I hope he IS haunted and miserable, every night I hope visions of what he has done visit him in his sleep as well as the hours he lays awake hoping to go to sleep. (I went on the assumption that you meant haunted as opposed to hunted.......... Unless Bubba........)
 
I know this is not a popular opinion. I just want to say that I am certainly not trying to offend or outrage anyone with my opinion either. I believe that Scott Peterson is innocent. I was hoping when I watched the Netflix documentary that it would provide additional insight, evidence, information, etc. about this case that would solidify my belief of his innocence or change my mind. Sadly, as much as I enjoyed the documentary, it did not support my belief or make me think differently.
If not Scott, then who, pray tell.......
 
I hope he IS haunted and miserable, every night I hope visions of what he has done visit him in his sleep as well as the hours he lays awake hoping to go to sleep. (I went on the assumption that you meant haunted as opposed to hunted.......... Unless Bubba........)
I was struck by how much he had changed. and not for the better! He looks just like his mother Jackie and in fact looks much older than his chronological age!
 
For me, it is the following:
  • There is 0 direct evidence linking Scott to the murder of his wife. Zero. There is no DNA, blood, forensics, etc. linking him to this crime.
  • His behaviour when she went missing and during the investigation/search efforts - Of course, I can agree, his behaviour is odd at best. But as someone who has been through significant loss, I know this - no matter the circumstances, you absolutely can't judge someone based on their behaviour and outward appearances when there is a loss/someone is missing/ etc. That isn't evidence he is a murderer. People handle extreme experiences and situations vastly differently to cope with what is happening.
  • His affair with Amber - personally, I feel, as soon as it was made public he was an adulterer, the heat especially from the media was cranked and this truly felt like the turning point where everyone said "He did it" Remember, before this information was made public and Amber made her statement, even Laci's family was defending Scott from any involvement
  • His calling Amber at the Vigil - again, I don't think this guy is a Saint. He is a cheater and liar, 100%. That move was in extremely poor taste BUT as hard as it is for any of us to understand, it was his escape from the media, the attention on him, Laci missing with their unborn child, etc. I would probably want to escape into something else if I was dealing with all of that too
  • His death penalty has been overturned due to inappropriate jury selection
  • The LA Innocence Project has taken on his case to request a new trial which, in itself, indicates, like the evidence they have, that something is amiss here
You make some valid points and some of them taken in isolation might stand on their own merits but in conjunction with the totality of evidence against Scott Peterson I don’t think it overcomes the one answer that satisfies a spectrum of questions about what happened to LP and her son. The who, the when, and the where has always led back to SP and only rank speculation insisting on far, far less likely answers to those questions leads elsewhere.

- You don’t always need DNA to prove a case against someone. If we did then there would be a greater number of murderers walking free. It would mean that with careful planning and enough lead time a murderer could ensure they left none of their DNA where it shouldn’t be and thereby evade conviction for a crime they committed no matter how obvious their guilt might otherwise be. Meticulous planning regarding the elimination of physical evidence could turn into an actual get out jail free card in a system where physical evidence or a confession are conditions must be met in order to secure a conviction. We’d have a lot more Casey Anthonys in such a world.

Scott and Laci shared all of the same spaces so if he were to have killed her at home in a way that doesn’t make a mess of blood then his work with respect to cleaning up after it would be fairly easy and finding his DNA all over the house would be meaningless since he lives there. He also had the ability to clean up anything he would have used to transport and dispose of a body before anyone took notice of her missing in the first place. In fact he was the one who got that ball rolling on that and so he had a chunk of time that day to do whatever he needed to do before he felt confident about proceeding with the declaration to the Rochas that Laci was missing and getting police involved.

- I agree that behavior isn’t an airtight indicator of guilt.

- The affair with Frey matters because of what he said, when he said it, and what he was actually doing. He told her before LP went missing that he lost his wife and this would be the first Christmas without her. Then he bought the boat and made anchors and shortly thereafter LP goes missing the same day that SP takes his boat out to the bay and LP and her baby later wash up on the shores where SP had by his own admission been fishing.

You could also argue that Frey matters because the recorded calls between the two shows the ease with which SP can tell lies. I personally don’t see how all of the lies he told Frey are a mental escape from a personal hell he was experiencing at the time and even if they were could we not also argue that the escape was from his own guilt having murdered his wife or an escape from his fear of getting caught? If it’s an escape into fantasy due to the stress of what’s happening then how do we know what the stress was specifically over? It could be any of these things, can’t it?

Moreover, you’ve just said his behavior isn’t indicative of guilt since people react to stressful situations and loss in different ways. If his behavior isn’t indicative of guilt for those reasons then it can’t be indicative of innocence either and so by your reasoning that whole line of thought must be discarded when making judgements about his guilt or his innocence.

- With respect to Laci Peterson’s family not turning on SP until the affair was revealed - Sharon Rocha does say that she was skeptical of SP earlier on but she also doubted herself about it too. The affair was the last straw, she was already on fence. The Rochas probably could not initially allow themselves to contemplate SP’s involvement for a number of reasons, the biggest one IMO being the utter hopelessness of her returning safely if indeed SP had done something to cause her disappearance.

- His death penalty sentence was overturned because the judge didn’t ask follow up questions of the prospective jurors who said they were against the death penalty in what was a capital murder trial. It was a procedural error on the part of the judge but doesn’t rise to the level of manipulation of the process such that the outcome was engineered by the state against Scott Peterson. Peterson also attempted to get a new trial on the basis of juror misconduct, that claim was taken seriously by the court, arguments were heard, and the court determined that claim was not substantiated and that he had received a fair trial.

- The LA Innocence Project isn’t THE Innocence Project. They do not operate under the aegis of the Innocence Project you are familiar with. They are their own separate and distinct organization and the actual Innocence Project has released a statement saying they have absolutely nothing to do with the LA Innocence Project. LAIP was formed in 2022 and it is not the only organization of its kind operating in southern and central California either. We don’t know to what extent this particular organization is selective about the cases it chooses or precisely how it makes decisions regarding which cases it takes it on. The fact that LAIP took on SP’s case simply isn’t a point in SP’s favor, it really doesn’t mean much if anything at all. They’re too new of an organization for us to know enough about them to determine the significance of them specifically taking up Peterson’s case. I know a member of Peterson’s original defense team made a huge deal about it but the fact that she didn’t make the distinction between LAIP and The Innocence Project IMO damages her credibility as far as that argument of hers is concerned.

- Defense of Scott Peterson relies on a lot of conspiracy against him on the part of many different entities: the police, the media, the DAs office, the courts, and the jurors themselves. In cases in which a person is wrongfully accused, wrongfully charged, wrongfully incarcerated, wrongfully convicted, and wrongfully sentenced a lot has to go wrong so much so that in the vast majority of such cases the person on the receiving end of it is a victim of larger oppressive forces in society that through decades of prejudice have been reinforced and take larger concerted societal efforts at examining and discrediting in order to even begin to reverse them. I’m talking race, class, disability, gender identity, sexual orientation, etc. We understand now how those forces can silently work in concert without having to carefully construct and articulate a clear and determined plan to railroad an oppressed person - such a person is born into a society whose institutions don’t recognize that oppression or think that oppression is justified, hence why it is so difficult and takes so long to undo it.

Scott Peterson is not a member of any such category. Peterson had every advantage. Peterson, his family, and the professionals who support him are doing everything they can to convince you otherwise , they want you to believe that SP is oppressed due to being LP’s husband, that his identity as her husband is THE reason that we can’t trust the many, many processes that have over the previous 21 years kept him behind bars under a murder conviction. They don’t want you to see all of the opportunities SP has had post conviction to formally air complaints about the process that put him behind bars to begin with. They will have you believe that this is the first time in 21 years that any court has extended him any opportunity to challenge any facet of his case and that simply isn’t true. Unlike the majority of people who land behind bars due to systematized oppression and bias leading inexorably to denial of due process Scott Peterson’s right to a fair trial has always been taken very seriously and he has had opportunity after opportunity to argue before the court that his rights have in any way been violated. That his sentence was overturned is proof of that fact and yet the overturning of his sentence is being contorted to argue the exact opposite.
 
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You make some valid points and some of them taken in isolation might stand on their own merits but in conjunction with the totality of evidence against Scott Peterson I don’t think it overcomes the one answer that satisfies a spectrum of questions about what happened to LP and her son. The who, the when, and the where has always led back to SP and only rank speculation insisting on far, far less likely answers to those questions leads elsewhere.

- You don’t always need DNA to prove a case against someone. If we did then there would be a greater number of murderers walking free. It would mean that with careful planning and enough lead time a murderer could ensure they left none of their DNA where it shouldn’t be and thereby evade conviction for a crime they committed no matter how obvious their guilt might otherwise be. Meticulous planning regarding the elimination of physical evidence could turn into an actual get out jail free card in a system where physical evidence or a confession are conditions must be met in order to secure a conviction. We’d have a lot more Casey Anthonys in such a world.

Scott and Laci shared all of the same spaces so if he were to have killed her at home in a way that doesn’t make a mess of blood then his work with respect to cleaning up after it would be fairly easy and finding his DNA all over the house would be meaningless since he lives there. He also had the ability to clean up anything he would have used to transport and dispose of a body before anyone took notice of her missing in the first place. In fact he was the one who got that ball rolling on that and so he had a chunk of time that day to do whatever he needed to do before he felt confident about proceeding with the declaration to the Rochas that Laci was missing and getting police involved.

- I agree that behavior isn’t an airtight indicator of guilt.

- The affair with Frey matters because of what he said, when he said it, and what he was actually doing. He told her before LP went missing that he lost his wife and this would be the first Christmas without her. Then he bought the boat and made anchors and shortly thereafter LP goes missing the same day that SP takes his boat out to the bay and LP and her baby later wash up on the shores where SP had by his own admission been fishing.

You could also argue that Frey matters because the recorded calls between the two shows the ease with which SP can tell lies. I personally don’t see how all of the lies he told Frey are a mental escape from a personal hell he was experiencing at the time and even if they were could we not also argue that the escape was from his own guilt having murdered his wife or an escape from his fear of getting caught? If it’s an escape into fantasy due to the stress of what’s happening then how do we know what the stress was specifically over? It could be any of these things, can’t it?

Moreover, you’ve just said his behavior isn’t indicative of guilt since people react to stressful situations and loss in different ways. If his behavior isn’t indicative of guilt for those reasons then it can’t be indicative of innocence either and so by your reasoning that whole line of thought must be discarded when making judgements about his guilt or his innocence.

- With respect to Laci Peterson’s family not turning on SP until the affair was revealed - Sharon Rocha does say that she was skeptical of SP earlier on but she also doubted herself about it too. The affair was the last straw, she was already on fence. The Rochas probably could not initially allow themselves to contemplate SP’s involvement for a number of reasons, the biggest one IMO being the utter hopelessness of her returning safely if indeed SP had done something to cause her disappearance.

- His death penalty sentence was overturned because the judge didn’t ask follow up questions of the prospective jurors who said they were against the death penalty in what was a capital murder trial. It was a procedural error on the part of the judge but doesn’t rise to the level of manipulation of the process such that the outcome was engineered by the state against Scott Peterson. Peterson also attempted to get a new trial on the basis of juror misconduct, that claim was taken seriously by the court, arguments were heard, and the court determined that claim was not substantiated and that he had received a fair trial.

- The LA Innocence Project isn’t THE Innocence Project. They do not operate under the aegis of the Innocence Project you are familiar with. They are their own separate and distinct organization and the actual Innocence Project has released a statement saying they have absolutely nothing to do with the LA Innocence Project. LAIP was formed in 2022 and it is not the only organization of its kind operating in southern and central California either. We don’t know to what extent this particular organization is selective about the cases it chooses or precisely how it makes decisions regarding which cases it takes it on. The fact that LAIP took on SP’s case simply isn’t a point in SP’s favor, it really doesn’t mean much if anything at all. They’re too new of an organization for us to know enough about them to determine the significance of them specifically taking up Peterson’s case. I know a member of Peterson’s original defense team made a huge deal about it but the fact that she didn’t make the distinction between LAIP and The Innocence Project IMO damages her credibility as far as that argument of hers is concerned.

- Defense of Scott Peterson relies on a lot of conspiracy against him on the part of many different entities: the police, the media, the DAs office, the courts, and the jurors themselves. In cases in which a person is wrongfully accused, wrongfully charged, wrongfully incarcerated, wrongfully convicted, and wrongfully sentenced a lot has to go wrong so much so that in the vast majority of such cases the person on the receiving end of it is a victim of larger oppressive forces in society that through decades of prejudice have been reinforced and take larger concerted societal efforts at examining and discrediting in order to even begin to reverse them. I’m talking race, class, disability, gender identity, sexual orientation, etc. We understand now how those forces can silently work in concert without having to carefully construct and articulate a clear and determined plan to railroad an oppressed person - such a person is born into a society whose institutions don’t recognize that oppression or think that oppression is justified, hence why it is so difficult and takes so long to undo it.

Scott Peterson is not a member of any such category. Peterson had every advantage. Peterson, his family, and the professionals who support him are doing everything they can to convince you otherwise , they want you to believe that SP is oppressed due to being LP’s husband, that his identity as her husband is THE reason that we can’t trust the many, many processes that have over the previous 21 years kept him behind bars under a murder conviction. They don’t want you to see all of the opportunities SP has had post conviction to formally air complaints about the process that put him behind bars to begin with. They will have you believe that this is the first time in 21 years that any court has extended him any opportunity to challenge any facet of his case and that simply isn’t true. Unlike the majority of people who land behind bars due to systematized oppression and bias leading inexorably to denial of due process Scott Peterson’s right to a fair trial has always been taken very seriously and he has had opportunity after opportunity to argue before the court that his rights have in any way been violated. That his sentence was overturned is proof of that fact and yet the overturning of his sentence is being contorted to argue the exact opposite.
Exactly about the DNA. Think about all the murder convictions before the '90's before anyone even knew about DNA. Many other ways to solve a crime.
 
More thoughts on the lack of DNA/blood loss-1) Scott's DNA should be all over that house because he lived there. Therefore he must have done a thorough cleanup job. 2) It may have been a fairly bloodless killing because he supposedly killed her by strangulation. Lamp cord it was believed.
Strangulation rarely leaves biological evidence of death. He is 1000% guilty, I have zero doubts.

The fact he went to Berkley Marina the day she disappeared and that’s where she and Connor washed ashore, just based on that alone - I have a hard time understanding how anyone could view him as innocent.

Lacy lived a low risk lifestyle. The only one with a motive was Scott.
 
I know this is not a popular opinion. I just want to say that I am certainly not trying to offend or outrage anyone with my opinion either. I believe that Scott Peterson is innocent. I was hoping when I watched the Netflix documentary that it would provide additional insight, evidence, information, etc. about this case that would solidify my belief of his innocence or change my mind. Sadly, as much as I enjoyed the documentary, it did not support my belief or make me think differently.
Scott's defence is the burglars.
The documentary clears the burglars.
 
For me, it is the following:
  • There is 0 direct evidence linking Scott to the murder of his wife. Zero. There is no DNA, blood, forensics, etc. linking him to this crime.
  • His behaviour when she went missing and during the investigation/search efforts - Of course, I can agree, his behaviour is odd at best. But as someone who has been through significant loss, I know this - no matter the circumstances, you absolutely can't judge someone based on their behaviour and outward appearances when there is a loss/someone is missing/ etc. That isn't evidence he is a murderer. People handle extreme experiences and situations vastly differently to cope with what is happening.
  • His affair with Amber - personally, I feel, as soon as it was made public he was an adulterer, the heat especially from the media was cranked and this truly felt like the turning point where everyone said "He did it" Remember, before this information was made public and Amber made her statement, even Laci's family was defending Scott from any involvement
  • His calling Amber at the Vigil - again, I don't think this guy is a Saint. He is a cheater and liar, 100%. That move was in extremely poor taste BUT as hard as it is for any of us to understand, it was his escape from the media, the attention on him, Laci missing with their unborn child, etc. I would probably want to escape into something else if I was dealing with all of that too
  • His death penalty has been overturned due to inappropriate jury selection
  • The LA Innocence Project has taken on his case to request a new trial which, in itself, indicates, like the evidence they have, that something is amiss here
Scott sold Laci's car while she was missing. He looked into listing the house. He turned the nursery into a storage room. Circumstantial evidence.

On the day Laci was reported missing, Scott was fishing in the exact location where the bodies were later found washed on shore. I think she was murdered the night before.

Scott mimicked two things that Laci did every morning. He watched Martha Stewart, and checked the internet for sunflower umbrellas and tennis bracelets. Laci did not open the curtains on December 24, and Scott didn't think to open them, like she did every morning.

Altogether, circumstantial evidence explains what happened. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts ~ Aristotle
 
More thoughts on the lack of DNA/blood loss-1) Scott's DNA should be all over that house because he lived there. Therefore he must have done a thorough cleanup job. 2) It may have been a fairly bloodless killing because he supposedly killed her by strangulation. Lamp cord it was believed.
Blow dryer? Bathroom? Didn't Scott say that the last time he saw Laci she was doing her hair, practicing what her sister showed her that evening? There's some truth in every lie.

Soft kill, according to the Netflix program. No blood. However, the death may have resulted in urination, and perhaps rupture of the amniotic sac. The mop question? Smelled of bleach.
 

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