GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #3

[TheDuchess]

Re BBM (next-to-last sentence) above: There were several comments by locals on the Valley Springs Fundraising group Facebook page (hopefully still 'open') originally set up for collections for the Fowler family. Can't link to Facebook due to TOS, but I posted more concerning what the page said several pages back.

I found the FB page, but it appears to have been scrubbed. The moderator appears to want none of that "hogwash."

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Defense Attorney Advises Leila Fowler’s Family To Find Legal Counsel

“I think every single one of them needs an attorney,” Reichel said. “Any coverups or any assistance they gave, or any false statements or any misleading communications they gave to law enforcement could have hindered the investigation, and that in itself is a crime"

I believe this statement was made before Reichel was retained as IF's attorney, but still I would think the family would have 2nd thoughts about hiring him.

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013...s-leila-fowlers-family-to-find-legal-counsel/

Oh really .. all of them? Awesome :banghead: ETA: Oh I see, this was before they hired him. Yes, then he definitely contacted them and offered his services. Hopefully someone better comes along, do not like this attorney.

 

[CHERIE.T]

"The juvenile court system is designed for rehabilitation," Rosenfeld said. "If his sentence follows precedent and he does well in the system and doesn't get himself in trouble, he'll be out when he's 19 or 20."
http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/05/15/3398593/boy-accused-in-killing-of-his.html

Attorneys for a 12-year-old California boy charged with killing his sister said Wednesday they wonder if he is mature enough to aid his defense.

B B M
If the suspect committed the crime, is tried, found guilty and released from juvie in a few years, I'm afraid he will kill again soon after his release.
(Tidbit of info.......Sociopaths cannot be rehabilitated.)

 

[CHERIE.T]

I didn't hv an exact link yesterday to the DNA or fingerprint info but am glad today LE has released this. I think we all should prepare and it sounds as if this judge will not be closing the hearings to this case. Kudos to the Judge.
As it was said about CAnthony; Something is wrong with this "boy".
http://fox40.com/2013/05/15/investigators-look-into-past-of-leila-fowlers-brother/#ixzz2TRuFO1LP

From the article.

“They often graduate as they get older to sociopathic kind of behavior, where they do high crime, high profile, very vicious kind of crimes,” he said.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

If the animal mutilations turn out to be him can they change the charge from Murder 2 to Murder 1? This child needs to be watched for the rest of his life, if he gets out at 25 even it's a terrifying prospect.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Defense Attorney Advises Leila Fowler’s Family To Find Legal Counsel

“I think every single one of them needs an attorney,” Reichel said. “Any coverups or any assistance they gave, or any false statements or any misleading communications they gave to law enforcement could have hindered the investigation, and that in itself is a crime"

I believe this statement was made before Reichel was retained as IF's attorney, but still I would think the family would have 2nd thoughts about hiring him.

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013...s-leila-fowlers-family-to-find-legal-counsel/

Pretty powerful statement.................................................. Possibly made before he represented the family?!?! Not good.

 

[Elley Mae]

I will say this... I am waiting to see/hear if and when IF is tested for mental faculties.
I personally feel that there is something going on with IF, mentally. I feel like when I see him (eyes) they appear empty, emotionless, without feeling. I don't mean to diagnosis him, I just sense there is something that we are not privy too at this point.

JMO

"Can a 12-year-old be psychologically, intellectually and emotionally mature enough to aid attorneys in defending himself against the most serious of charges?'' asked attorney Steve Plesser, who has been hired by the family to defend the boy. The boy did not enter a plea at the hearing.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...r-Makes-First-Court-Appearance-207613151.html

 

[teedie2]

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As to them having a boat, is it a rowboat, a johnboat, a sailboat, a yacht? What year is it? What is its value? I am curious about the boat/donation connection being made. If you have a boat you should not need donations if your life is turned upside down and one of your child is accused of murdering another of your children and your home becomes a crime scene for weeks necessitating you vacate and find other accommodation? How is it known that the people donating have much less?

Boy that must be some boat.

No link. Sorry, I've stayed up too late and lost too much sleep over this to keep looking for the links. But, this was very recent...

I read that BF does mobile marine repair. For that he would probably need a boat, in case someone breaks down while out in a boat. I've wondered how in the world he supports all those children, and I suppose that he probably works very hard to provide for all of them.

One article about IF's court appearance said that he was charged with "murder with malice aforethought." But it seems that does not mean "premeditated murder?"

I sincerely hope that none of the family gets in trouble for having "helped" IF after the crime.

 

[tlcya]

Re BBM (next-to-last sentence) above: There were several comments by locals on the Valley Springs Fundraising group Facebook page (hopefully still 'open') originally set up for collections for the Fowler family. Can't link to Facebook due to TOS, but I posted more concerning what the page said several pages back.

Thanks PIM. I was simply addressing the idea that just because BF has a boat in his driveway does not make the family well off or mean they are scamming "people with less" as indicated in the post I was responding to.

Another member later indicated that BF is allegedly self employed somehow repairing boats and marine craft. So the boat in the drive may not even be his, may instead belong to a customer.

I just have a really bad taste in my mouth by how CW and BF have been scrutinized and found wanting by many while PR has been held up as a victim. IMO we do not have information enough on any of these adults to be passing those sorts of judgments since none are named POI or suspects and this is a victim and victim family friendly zone.

 

[Angelonline]

:seeya:

If you see a post that concerns you, that you feel violates TOS, then alert on it and don't respond. Please and thank you.

 

[winterrose]

I found the FB page, but it appears to have been scrubbed. The moderator appears to want none of that "hogwash."

this is the public one...
https://www.facebook.com/groups/181100302045135/

He says, "as a community we need to come together and spend less time worrying about the Fowler family receiving a $70,000 paycheck"...

The other VS community page is now closed to the public, but when it was open, people gave gift cards, gas cards, food cards, clothes, everything was donated for the vigils and dinners. A bank account is open, people giving from all over the world, according to them.

The boat is in a video link we gave on the previous page, which is neither here nor there.

 

[Kaliste]

this is the public one...
https://www.facebook.com/groups/181100302045135/

He says, "as a community we need to come together and spend less time worrying about the Fowler family receiving a $70,000 paycheck"...

The other VS community page is now closed to the public, but when it was open, people gave gift cards, gas cards, food cards, clothes, everything was donated for the vigils and dinners. A bank account is open, people giving from all over the world, according to them.

The boat is in a video link we gave on the previous page, which is neither here nor there.

A 70,000$ paycheck?! Am I reading that right?

 

[tlcya]

reminder - comments on FB are simply that. Comments. they should be considered rumor.

BTW the same comment which mentions the $70,000.00 paycheck business also stated the family asked for none of these fundraising efforts. The post was referring to another comment by someone was complaining about the funds being raised for the Fowler family. It was sarcasm.

FWIW, the community seems to be full of caring people. Many of the fundraising efforts are now apparently being directed towards other families in the area in need due to illness, fire, etc.

 

[winterrose]

reminder - comments on FB are simply that. Comments. they should be considered rumor.

This is a page that's doing fund raisers for the community, he deletes negative comments and not a page with rumors left on them. People were wondering how they could pay for a lawyer, but they do with the donations. Looking at the house and the boat, they obviously didn't have an abundance of money beforehand. The boat is just a regular boat, nothing fancy.

It's actually a good page and the other community page is also, donating to the community.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

I found the FB page, but it appears to have been scrubbed. The moderator appears to want none of that "hogwash."

The public page is still there (linked above--same one I referred to at end of earlier, long post several pages back). While this page is monitored carefully and appropriately, some polite comments are still there indicating there are others hurting in VS, and some folks hurting had given to the fund--which was the only point I was making in my earlier post.

See Kat Strey's May 6 post "Why isn't the funds going towards capture?" and comments ( click to open all comments)

See Nolan Apostle's May 12 post and comments (click to open more)

See Kat Strey, May 6 post "Justice for Leila" post and comment by someone named Ab - "I know of a couple of people who have given money to this fund who are in need of help them selves, but did so out of heartfelt sorrow for this family...There's a local family that lost everything in a fire and also a family with a 5 yr old fighting cancer."

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

Some polite ones are still there indicating there are others hurting in VS, and some folks hurting had given to the fund.

See Kat Strey's May 6 post "Why isn't the funds going towards capture?" and comments ( click to open all comments)

See Nolan Apostle's May 12 post and comments (click to open more)

See Kat Strey, May 6 post "Justice for Leila" post and comment by someone named Ab - "I know of a couple of people who have given money to this fund who are in need of help them selves, but did so out of heartfelt sorrow for this family...There's a local family that lost everything in a fire and also a family with a 5 yr old fighting cancer."

I know the family with the 5 year old fighting cancer. They live a few blocks from me. That father has a full time job & does as much extra work as he possibly can, so his wife can stay home with their son.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

The family would have to have made a good living to care for that many children, or at least have some savings. I wonder if these attorneys latched onto this (pro bono) simply because it became somewhat high profile and they are looking for more notoriety, because juvenile offenses are punished less than adults. Did anyone see their success page on their website? Made me sick. I will wait until we hear more details about what happened here, especially with these allegations of animal mutilation. From what was reported this is only speculation at this point and I know how the media likes to run with things. The biggest concern for me is the long term safety of others and preventing anything else happening like what happened to Leila. This should be the parents top priority as well.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I would be very surprised if the lawyers were not working pro-bono for the family. I feel like $70k will be used for lost wages (If Barney is self-employed, he isn't getting paid time off), college education funds for the children, etc. Maybe some of it will be donated to organizations or charities.

Does the family have to give a percentage of the 70k to taxes? Or is there some sort-of write-off for charity?

I wonder if LE has/will interview the other children? I feel like the lawyers wouldn't allow it at this point...but were any of them interviewed prior to the arrest? Probably not, since they were still pretending they were looking for an intruder and not at IF.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

reminder - comments on FB are simply that. Comments. they should be considered rumor.

BTW the same comment which mentions the $70,000.00 paycheck business also stated the family asked for none of these fundraising efforts. The post was referring to another comment by someone was complaining about the funds being raised for the Fowler family. It was sarcasm.

FWIW, the community seems to be full of caring people. Many of the fundraising efforts are now apparently being directed towards other families in the area in need due to illness, fire, etc.

FWIW, these comments are not rumor variety, tlcya. (The nasty sort have been edited out by the page owner.) It's a general fundraising page that was started by a good peep for the Fowler family, and may eventually expand to help others in need. The fact that some are in need in that community is fact--a family's home burned down, and a little boy is fighting cancer. The comments I made mention of were not ugly or nasty--they were simply mentioned in the context of possibly expanding the page's fundraising direction in that there were others in need of help--some of whom, BTW, had given sacrificially to the Fowler family.

It's unknown who opened up that bank fund Monday--at least I'm unaware of it. It was announced at a "hastily called" news conference the Monday morning after her Saturday murder that there was all ready one, though. If you click to open up all the comments you will also read that though it's unknown by us in here who opened up that bank account Monday morning for the Fowlers, they have tapped into it -- $9,000 that first week, at least (by May 6).

In a hastily called news conference, Calaveras County sheriff's Capt. Jim Macedo identified the father of Leila Fowler as Barney Fowler and the mother as Krystal Walters.
The names of the parents hadn't previously been released.
As Macedo spoke, Fowler and Walters - both solemn and declining to speak, and with Walters near tears at times - stood in the background. Macedo said Leila's parents wanted to convey their requests that their privacy be respected, but also that a memorial fund had been set up for their daughter. A vigil is also planned for Tuesday night.

Read more here: http://www.modbee.com/2013/04/29/2692480/police-guard-calif-school-during.html#storylink=cpy

ETA: I didn't take the $70K amount actually as sarcasm. I took the comment to be in support of the family, in fact, and directed at those who were whining--(that person expressed "as a community we need to come together and spend less time worrying about the Fowler family receiving a $70,000 paycheck"...)

 

[eileenhawkeye]

The family would have to have made a good living to care for that many children, or at least have some savings. I wonder if these attorneys latched onto this (pro bono) simply because it became somewhat high profile and they are looking for more notoriety, because juvenile offenses are punished less than adults. Did anyone see their success page on their website? Made me sick. I will wait until we hear more details about what happened here, especially with these allegations of animal mutilation. From what was reported this is only speculation at this point and I know how the media likes to run with things. The biggest concern for me is the long term safety of others and preventing anything else happening like what happened to Leila. This should be the parents top priority as well.

I am almost positive they signed on pro-bono due to the high-profileness and sensational details of the case. Every development has been reported on by national media outlets. In addition, the extremely rare circumstances of the case are likely to make it a topic of case studies. I also think it will be referenced in books about true crime, violence in children, mental health issues in children, etc. After the trial, I could definitely see Dateline or 20/20 or 48 Hours doing a show about it. Lastly, the law firm is Sacramento-based, and this case will have wide name recognition in the area for a very, very long time.