CA CA - Los Angeles, WhtMale 30-45, UP3713, cyanide suicide in hotel room, Oct'93

[reasypeasy]

I think Mr Durkin's brows slope down to the outside of his face at the nose... sort of the sad puppy look. This guy they seem to slope upwards, sort of the scowling look?

I sort of wish he had a bumpier nose, then I'd think he was Richard Leape, http://z10.invisionfree.com/usedtobedoe/index.php?showtopic=16199 But alas, the Doe's nose lacks a vital bump.

 

[CarlK90245]

I've been going back and updating some of my early facial reconstructions that I did when I did not have as good a grasp on using the photo editing software as I do now. Last night I re-did the facial recon for this John Doe, which I had originally drawn in the eyes a little sloppily.

UID Links:

DoeNetwork Case 1411UMCA http://doenetwork.org/cases/1411umca.html
NamUs UP Case 3713 https://identifyus.org/cases/3713

 

[CherBearSTL]

I couldn't find where James Zinza was ever considered: http://charleyproject.org/cases/z/zinza_james.html

The height, weight, age, hair, etc. all match. Dates are off a bit, but not much.

 

[CarlK90245]

I couldn't find where James Zinza was ever considered: http://charleyproject.org/cases/z/zinza_james.html

The height, weight, age, hair, etc. all match. Dates are off a bit, but not much.

He does look similar in many respects. But his hairline and eyebrows are different. Also, the bridge of the nose is much different, and the distance between James' mouth and nose is much closer.

John Doe's face is longer than James' face.

Also, although I don't know for sure, I don't think James was married (John Doe was wearing a wedding band), and he didn't drive a car (John Doe had a BMW key). These aren't reasons to positively exclude, but they seem inconsistent.

 

[Dionysia]

The post-mortem removal of teeth is very puzzling. If that is indeed true, then someone must have been there when the UID committed suicide or soon after.

Which leads me to ponder: was it really suicide or was he forced to ingest the cyanide? Intentional removal of teeth could mean an attempt to obscure identity. That then leads me to an organized crime or spy theory.

The UID looked Russian/Eastern European to me.

 

[CarlK90245]

The post-mortem removal of teeth is very puzzling. If that is indeed true, then someone must have been there when the UID committed suicide or soon after.

Which leads me to ponder: was it really suicide or was he forced to ingest the cyanide? Intentional removal of teeth could mean an attempt to obscure identity. That then leads me to an organized crime or spy theory.

The UID looked Russian/Eastern European to me.

I see that in the UID's NamUs dental section, all teeth are marked "P", but that doesn't make sense. Maybe there is a reason why they marked all teeth "P" (perhaps to prevent rule-outs in the NamUs automated matching system). Or maybe he was missing all of his teeth antemortem, and they made a mistake, noting "P" instead of "A".

They wouldn't have ruled it suicide if the body was altered after death, and I don't think a killer would have gone through the trouble to remove his teeth, but not his hands or other means of ID.

 

[Dionysia]

More reasons why the "P" is so puzzling...

Perhaps it's best to chalk up to NamUS/Coroner error/quirk and focus on other aspects of the case.

 

[ebbie]

I just saw this case now. Interesting form of suicide.

What puzzles me (maybe I missed the answers in the thread) is why the hotel and/or car rental agency didn't have any identification records for him?

Except for sleezy ones, hotels always require a photo ID and a credit card for incidental expenses/damages. Same for the car rental agencies. They are even worse w/ requirements. Was the BMW definitely a rental? If not, I'd think BMW could reverse match the key to the owner.

This is another example of a case where I feel like I would be spinning my wheels matching up Cyanide man to MPs when LE MUST have more info.

Best avenue for ID'ing IMO....
-Brand of clothes....
-Clarify dental report quirk
-IDs/Credit cards for payment
-Match key to car owner/user
-Sources for purchasing cyanide

 

[Snufamonbobball]

I thought it was a law in CA that they remove the jaws of the unidentified, so I double checked, and it is, so that's why the postmortem status of the tooth removal.

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/cacode/GOV/1/3/d2/3/10/2.5/s27521

I bumped into this guy tonight, and he kind of reminded me of Cyanide Guy.

Marion Grant Watts:
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/watts_marion.html
http://identifyla.lsu.edu/profile.php?id=295

 

[Ambercat]

Something about Kevin Mahoney, if he got a haircut reminded me of this UID. Maybe he is a little too young, but I think his height, the timing, and general appearance are consistent. I don't know what kind of car he drove.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/7775/32

 

[CarlK90245]

FWIW, Kevin is not wearing a wedding band.

He does look similar, and except for his age everything lines up pretty well. I'd say probably not though. No solid reason. I'm just not seeng it.

 

[Ambercat]

FWIW, Kevin is not wearing a wedding band.

He does look similar, and except for his age everything lines up pretty well. I'd say probably not though. No solid reason. I'm just not seeng it.

I think it might be the "style" of the two seem so dissimilar. There are a few missing people and UIDs who I keep looking at and a lot of things match up but I can't resolve the difference in styles.

 

[PFF]

DOe network on John Doe
http://doenetwork.org/cases/1411umca.html

 

[Ambercat]

I really would like to know if the hotel room was rented to someone else, rented by the UID under an alias or ??? I also wish they had more information about what type of BMW the key was to (and if it was something for sale in the USA or elsewhere).

I noticed Jeffery McFry who went missing from Alabama about three years before the unidentified man was found in the hotel room. The ages and weight are off but height, hair, and eye color are the same.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4779/9

I'm still not convinced that he isn't Kevin Mahoney, especially if he checked in under an assumed name, because I see a really strong resemblance between the two. I keep coming back to his entry on NamUs and thinking about this UID.

 

[CarlK90245]

:bump: for image revision

 

[OC Lady]

Maybe he killed his wife and couldn't live with what he had done....just a thought....

 

[Ambercat]

A Canadian named John Isadore Zacher was reported missing by his wife on May 11, 1993. Unfortunately, the Canada's Missing website doesn't include a photo (only an age progression sketch). His vital statistics seem to line up roughly with this UID. It peaked my interest that Canada's Missing says this about him --

An exhaustive check of records across Canada have failed to show any sign of ZACHER. It is thought that he may have changed his name, entered the United States, or may be deceased.

https://secure.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/missing-disparus/case-dossier.jsf?case=2012000799&id=7

I'll try to locate a photo him when I am more awake.

 

[Ambercat]

John Zacher has been ruled out through fingerprints. I spoke with the detective in Canada handling his case earlier this week. I was never able to see a photo of the missing person (which I thought might be helpful with regard to other UID cases). His NamUs page is also showing John Zacher as the only rule out -- https://identifyus.org/en/cases/3713

 

[Laughing]

Does anyone think that perhaps "Mary Anderson" knew this man???

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Anderson-quot-Oct-96&highlight=Mary+Anderson

 

[mikkismom]

John Zacher has been ruled out through fingerprints. I spoke with the detective in Canada handling his case earlier this week. I was never able to see a photo of the missing person (which I thought might be helpful with regard to other UID cases). His NamUs page is also showing John Zacher as the only rule out -- https://identifyus.org/en/cases/3713

John Zacher has been found alive!

Stratford man missing for 22 years found living in Ottawa
http://london.ctvnews.ca/stratford-man-missing-for-22-years-found-living-in-ottawa-1.2363765