CA CA - Lydia "Dia" Abrams, 65, Idyllwild, 6 Jun 2020 #2

[Sun Spot]

Dia, Jodi, and there's a Jen, an Anna, a Patricia, and probably more letting this man into their lives, too. [B]@Sun Spot[/B], you knew Dia... she didn't sound that trusting or gullible. Somehow, KH started running the ranch and stuck around. He must have a convincing way about him. Is it possible he actually talked her into signing him as Trustee?

What's his charm and attraction? I mean he really gets around for a 72 yr. old man. Even now, still trying to get over losing his fiancé and take care of her estate, he manages to have other "girls"? This thing with Jodi was only over a four month period. Jodi was 46. She said he tells all the girls the same thing. Are they desperate to be sweet-talked or something? In MOO, her letters show how Jodi was unraveling from all KH's misleading. Seems he wasn't coming through with anything he promised her. At one point she was willing to give her right arm? I can't understand these women (girls) finding KH sincere or that attractive. They must think he has lots of money or something. Please someone explain his magical charisma.

Dia, Jodi, and there's a Jen, an Anna, a Patricia, and probably more letting this man into their lives, too. [B]@Sun Spot[/B], you knew Dia... she didn't sound that trusting or gullible. Somehow, KH started running the ranch and stuck around. He must have a convincing way about him. Is it possible he actually talked her into signing him as Trustee?

What's his charm and attraction? I mean he really gets around for a 72 yr. old man. Even now, still trying to get over losing his fiancé and take care of her estate, he manages to have other "girls"? This thing with Jodi was only over a four month period. Jodi was 46. She said he tells all the girls the same thing. Are they desperate to be sweet-talked or something? In MOO, her letters show how Jodi was unraveling from all KH's misleading. Seems he wasn't coming through with anything he promised her. At one point she was willing to give her right arm? I can't understand these women (girls) finding KH sincere or that attractive. They must think he has lots of money or something. Please someone explain his magical charisma.

IT IS THE PERCEIVED POWER a man exudes. The PERCI3VED power to make things happen that the woman has been unable to do. The perceived idea that the man walks tall and carries a very big stick. The man does not need to be good looking, young or rich. Men like this can create networks of women to use , abuse and use for capital gain. The internet has made it easier for these men to prey on their next willing victim.
Some of the women are also in the game of preying on men for personal gain. When those women run into a man like KH they have met their match and often get played.

 

[Curious Me]

...Men like this can create networks of women to use , abuse and use for capital gain. The internet has made it easier for these men to prey on their next willing victim.

Thanks @Sun Spot. Do you think Dia met KH on an online dating site? He might've came across as needy with Jodi, needing her help; however, with Dia, I bet, he came across as take charge and able to run that ranch for her. Perhaps she was tired of going it alone, and scared by threats. Like you say, Dia might've perceived him as being a strong man that she could lean on. Do you think Dia fell for him? I think maybe she did at first, but ...

... I think KH took advantage of Jodi's delicate self-respect. He baited her with her own baggage, and trapped her like a spider, in a web. He pretended to
need her:...

Oh, @coastal, this struck me as so astute and true. Jodi needed to see herself as providing something valuable. She had a good heart. She needed to have hope again. She was going to gain the rewards of helping "poor needy KH" plus he was promising to help her get her horse, have a outdoor life working with animals, make some money and have some stability. It turned out to be four months of constant disappointments and chiseling away at her self worth before she ended up losing her life. Was it an accident?

I don't know if I agree about KH needing someone to take Dia's place. Seems like he needed many, even when Dia was around. He's a player, IMO, and was a RSO back when he first moved to the ranch. Hmm... he and DF appeared as a couple to guests on the ranch, so she kinda did take Dia's place for awhile? DF... what was her real role? She high tailed it out of town soon after.

There's a string of girl's names Jodi mentions, so there's no telling how many he keeps on the burner at one time. I know @Sun Spot mentioned other women having met him online. Could one of them been a helper like @jash mentioned?

I think KH was looking for someone like Jodi to just help with the enormous amount of cleaning and chores on the ranch and maybe a convenient warm body. IMO, he made no real effort to keep Jodi around. He went out of town and needed her then, probably put more on her plate then. Used her.

ETA-- Gaining and keeping control of the mark is part of the game. Towards the end it was "FU Harper" from Jodi, so maybe she was fed up and threatened to tell a secret she found out about, but then the accident happened.

 

[coastal]

Thanks, Curious Me. I think we're getting a pretty good idea of who and what KH is.
And I think I understand his victims' reluctance to see him clearly.

Dia needed someone in her life that she could trust. She needed someone strong enough to do the physical work the ranch required, hard enough to keep the wolves from her door, and brave enough to take her side against her husband's estate. She was probably lonely, having been estranged from her husband and kids for years, and flattered by a man's attention. KH checked all her boxes. He was everything she wanted. But he had needs of his own, and Dia and her ranch met those: remote, rural property, money to invest, and a certain innocence in the ways of the world. She was at odds with her family, isolated, and alone. And she was already scared.

He stepped up with one goal in mind: Dia's trust. I don't mean the legal trust, which KH also managed to inherit when she disappeared. I'm talking about Dia's faith in him. Once he accomplished that, control of her properties would essentially be his. He could install his own people to rent them, plant his marijuana plants, and begin to manufacture money, risk free. So he became a good worker, a sympathetic sounding board, and an advocate for her dreams. Once he earned her trust, and she dropped her guard, he love-bombed her. Soon enough, she named him to inherit her estate.

I don't know if KH made Dia disappear. I'm not sure what he gained by it, that he hadn't already achieved with his engagement to her. He couldn't know if the trust documents would be upheld under those circumstances. It would have been safer just to marry her. The search for her discovered his marijuana operation to LE, which cost him a lot money. I don't like him and I don't trust him, but he isn't the only one with designs on Dia's ranch.

Kindness and compassion are excellent qualities to foster, and they are a natural outgrowth of navigating through hard times. People who have suffered hate to see others suffer. This is true for most of us, but to someone who has never had to learn compassion, through some suffering of his own, kindness and compassion are signs of weakness. Dia's compassion for her burros was a waving flag that shouted her vulnerability to the world.

Predators abound. Trust, but verify. Your life depends on you.

 

[Curious Me]

This article just so happened to hit my news msn feed today. I just want to stress the fact that once you allow someone to mess with your mind, they can do you harm. They may try to convince you of anything. MOO, beware of giving someone a second or third chance... let it raise your red flags at the first fail. Trust YOU first.
10 Subtle Signs He's Gaslighting You (And Making You Feel Crazy)
6. You find it increasingly difficult to make decisions because you think you can't do anything right.

7. You notice your self-esteem plummeting, and you start to feel depressed and self-critical. You may even feel worthless and undeserving of love.

8. Your memory seems hazy and you have difficulty remembering what happened during conflicts with the other person.

 

[jash]

I don't know if KH made Dia disappear. I'm not sure what he gained by it, that he hadn't already achieved with his engagement to her. He couldn't know if the trust documents would be upheld under those circumstances. It would have been safer just to marry her.

(Snipped for focus)

What if Dia was starting to question things. Maybe the relationship was deteriorating and she was ready to undo the legal changes made. Maybe KH felt he had to take drastic action in order to keep what he had worked to gain.

 

[Niner]

snipped for focus...

He could install his own people to rent them, plant his marijuana plants, and begin to manufacture money, risk free.

Was it discovered that they WERE his plants? I didn't see that, or might have missed in an article.

and I agree with @jash - I think Dia started to question a lot of things about him.

 

[slowpoke]

Thank you, everyone, for keeping the discussion going for Dia.

I wonder who purportedly told KH this info about Dia’s demise:

“In a series of text messages with News 8, Harper indicated he received information that one of Abrams’ workers “escorted her off the ranch into the hands of those who execute[d] her” and “they then waited [sic] her down and put her in the bottom of Lake Hemet.”

Via text message, Harper claimed a Riverside Sheriff dive team recently attempted to locate Abrams’ remains in Lake Hemet but failed.”
Woman dies at Bonita Vista Ranch near Idyllwild | cbs8.com

Do you think the Riverside Sheriff would be keeping KH apprised of developments in Dia’s case? He’s not next of kin since they didn’t get married, right?

 

[coastal]

Was it discovered that they WERE his plants? I didn't see that, or might have missed in an article.

and I agree with @jash - I think Dia started to question a lot of things about him.

No. KH's involvement with the mj grow op is total speculation on my part. In fact, all of my characterization of him is speculation, based on his interviews, Jodi's writings, legal documents such as Dia's changed trust, and the search warrant for Dia's Sky High Ranch property. IIRC, no one was arrested as a result of that search, although a lot of mj was seized. I should have made that clear, as it is MOO.

 

[Niner]

No. KH's involvement with the mj grow op is total speculation on my part. In fact, all of my characterization of him is speculation, based on his interviews, Jodi's writings, legal documents such as Dia's changed trust, and the search warrant for Dia's Sky High Ranch property. IIRC, no one was arrested as a result of that search, although a lot of mj was seized. I should have made that clear, as it is MOO.

Okay - no problem! Thought I missed something.

 

[stuntpuppy]

Don't know how familiar you all are with the area. I know some of you are but some seem not to be. I go up there often. I have driven to the gates of the ranch a couple of time as well. Dropping a body in Lake Hemet seems like a very bad idea to me. It's a very small lake and people are there all the time. Don't remember if the lake was open during that time with Covid and all. But, it's patrolled all the time and people stay there long term. To load a body and take a boat out to the deeper part seems like a great way to get caught. Not a good idea at all. Also, as I said before it's a long way from the Ranch to the main road 74. Rough road with chug holes and cracks all the way. A long way to take a body to dump unless you knew you were in the clear. This is why I feel Dia's body was long gone before KH reported her missing. It could have been days...that is if the brownies drop off was not true and the water heater guy who claimed to have seen her that day...I never heard if those two stories were confirmed or not. Even if same day...KH would be crazy to dump her on property knowing it would be searched to the high heavens. He could have taken her many miles away and got back in time to make the phone call. I wonder if security cams were checked in both directions down 74 to see if any of his vehicles were on the road when he claimed to be cutting the grass out back. Don't want to grasp....it's just that it's been so long and we have not gotten any privileged info on the case from LE. I am still hopeful that it all comes out and those responsible have to pay! As for this new gal....much to learn there too.

 

[Curious Me]

Was it discovered that they WERE his plants?...

I wasn't the one who said that. Oddly, you quoted me, but it wasn't from my post.

No. KH's involvement with the mj grow op is total speculation on my part.

It was your post. Sure, we've all been speculating because that's all we can do. We've all worked so hard on this that LE should start taking our lead.

 

[stuntpuppy]

I wasn't the one who said that. Oddly, you quoted me, but it wasn't from my post.
It was your post. Sure, we've all been speculating because that's all we can do. We've all worked so hard on this that LE should start taking our lead.

Hmmm...KH, illegal pot growers, on Dia's property, lots of money to be made illegally, KH bad history with women, One woman missing while with KH alone, another dead while with KH alone, Ranch signed over to KH right before owner comes up missing while with KH, Second woman seemingly connected to KH possibly romantically. I would not be one bit surprised if KH rented the space to the growers on % or ???. He just strikes me as someone who would not only know what they were doing but would want his hands in it for profit. My 2 cents worth....

 

[Curious Me]

... and I agree with @jash - I think Dia started to question a lot of things about him.

Me too. Dia had to have noticed flaws and might've been fed up, ready to call off any arrangements they had. She might've found out something that really was the last straw dealing with him. Remember, KH had said "Dia wanted to talk about something", but he had to go mow the pasture. It's odd he said that, but maybe he slips out with truth once in awhile. It'd have been better to wait until after the supposed marriage if this was a plan on his part. The way it is, him fighting in court to keep the properties and questionable Trusteeship, and her not being declared dead, seems like a bad plan and maybe an unexpected development occurred. Well, there's no named suspect. All we can do is keep speculating while LE remains quiet, too quiet.

 

[stuntpuppy]

I actually feel for LE. They take down bad guys for a living. It has to feel like KH has his thumbs in his ears wiggling his fingers with his tongue out at them and they can't do anything....so far!

 

[Curious Me]

I actually feel for LE. They take down bad guys for a living.

Oh, I do, too. I sometimes look on the Anza Crime Watch site and there's a ton of crime going on up there. Is there any way other agencies could get involved in Dia's disappearance say if they think she was taken across state lines?

Do you think the Riverside Sheriff would be keeping KH apprised of developments in Dia’s case? He’s not next of kin since they didn’t get married, right?

Great questions you ask. Like you said, who told him that Dia was executed and in the lake? Then, saying that LE is sharing their investigation with him, as though they didn't go to NM because he's a POI whether they say it or not, especially now that there's another dead woman with a connection to HIM.

This is why I feel Dia's body was long gone before KH reported her missing. It could have been days...

You've always said it could've happened earlier, providing more time to disappear Dia. You might be very right. The timeline is vague as to when Dia actually went missing. ( It was cinnamon buns not brownies, but the recipient never said a word to the media to find her kind friend. And the water heater guy remained invisible and most likely unreal. All MOO)

Lake Hemet you say is not a likely place. I guess KH has "insider info" to who really did it and where they took the body, but he's not afraid to blab it and not be killed himself.

He just strikes me as someone who would not only know what they were doing but would want his hands in it for profit. My 2 cents worth....

That was, and maybe is, an pot growing operation. He says he's paying out all that money to keep the ranch & properties going. Seems like no way he would pass up his share of the MJ profits if he's renting to them. (He went after Dia's boot refund! Heck, he was charging Jodi rent, and she wasn't even getting to spend any time to herself there. )

Who were the ranch people that handed Dia over too be executed, as KH now claims? Was it someone from the grow site?

Isn't there more people than two on a grow site normally? I think I heard about just two guys that took off with no one else there. Odd, they left product though which got confiscated. Seems they were tipped off because Dia went missing, and everyone on that site was gone. Don't know what I make of that. Just my own thoughts

 

[stuntpuppy]

I have a lot of trouble with the "Now I know what happened" story. KH is a strange bird. Who would tell him of her whereabouts like that? And being her lover and future husband he obviously attacked said person with all his might....yea right. It all pushes suspicion off him and on to a mystery person. He's buying time in my opinion. Ohhhh...It's possible the drug people wanted her head on a platter is she actually turned them in so close to their payout. If that were the case KH would benefit from letting them and would probably help it along. He has the motivation after the documents were signed to the property. What a strange mess it all is. I hope the entire truth comes out...it would be great to be able to set the reset button on my brain at this point....geeez

 

[Curious Me]

One more thought -- I'm curious as to if Jodi took over some of KH's responsibilities when he was gone, and was she paid extra for that. And for being at the ranch 6 days, as she mentioned. Actually, was she ever paid at all, or was she having to keep bugging KH to work out her pay rate? Who keeps the books for the ranch? She talked to her sister the day before she died, and I wonder if Jodi shared any of her complaints about KH with her sister. I'd guess yes. (Jodi was an employee on the ranch so I do expect them to file a law suit.) Seems Jodi's Family might not think too highly of KH.

Look, if LE hasn't figured anything out by now to nail someone, it might be a good idea to keep these cases in the news more... somebody might know something and come forward with more info. KH's been allowed to keep flying under the radar. JMO though.

 

[Sun Spot]

Don't know how familiar you all are with the area. I know some of you are but some seem not to be. I go up there often. I have driven to the gates of the ranch a couple of time as well. Dropping a body in Lake Hemet seems like a very bad idea to me. It's a very small lake and people are there all the time. Don't remember if the lake was open during that time with Covid and all. But, it's patrolled all the time and people stay there long term. To load a body and take a boat out to the deeper part seems like a great way to get caught. Not a good idea at all. Also, as I said before it's a long way from the Ranch to the main road 74. Rough road with chug holes and cracks all the way. A long way to take a body to dump unless you knew you were in the clear. This is why I feel Dia's body was long gone before KH reported her missing. It could have been days...that is if the brownies drop off was not true and the water heater guy who claimed to have seen her that day...I never heard if those two stories were confirmed or not. Even if same day...KH would be crazy to dump her on property knowing it would be searched to the high heavens. He could have taken her many miles away and got back in time to make the phone call. I wonder if security cams were checked in both directions down 74 to see if any of his vehicles were on the road when he claimed to be cutting the grass out back. Don't want to grasp....it's just that it's been so long and we have not gotten any privileged info on the case from LE. I am still hopeful that it all comes out and those responsible have to pay! As for this new gal....much to learn there too.

One thing I would like to bring up is that there were other vehicles in KH possession on the property at times that belonged to other women/men.

 

[Sun Spot]

I know was dating online and it is probable that she met KH online. Dia had a second Facebook account that had encounters with dates, KH ETC.. She would often delete photos of her and others on that account. It is my feeling that this was her daying account.. It did not reveal a great deal about her location or property.
IF anyone has question ask please.It may jog my memory yo important information.
THANK YOU

 

[jash]

One thing I would like to bring up is that there were other vehicles in KH possession on the property at times that belonged to other women/men.

Was one of them a Hummer? I was curious about the one mentioned in the below article.

Unexpected arrival at memorial service for Jodi Newkirk near Idyllwild | cbs8.com

Before long, Harper walked away. He was met by more relatives in the parking lot, including the victim's teenage daughter. They told him to leave. Harper drove away in a Hummer SUV.​