CA CA - Lydia "Dia" Abrams, 65, Idyllwild, 6 Jun 2020

[Desert Cruiser]

I watched the video again, KH mentioned Dia by name early in the interview, about the 0:15 second mark...

 

[Curious Me]

I'm only saying that looking for someone who just disappeared hours ago vs someone who was carefully gotten rid of would throw the investigation a bit. As I said..he could have even thrown up some facebook responses on her account to make people think she was still around at that time or even done the same with her texts...he had her phone too. Easy to do... snipped to reply

Thought of you when I read about this case. It's worth reading. Guy went missing in 2015, wife had killed him. She made social media entries as though he was still alive for three years.

"... between 2015 and 2018, Laurie allegedly pretended to be Michael on social media, assuring his family and friends he was fine, having started a new life in Georgia, and just wanted to be left alone."

LE and cadaver dogs eventually found the body. Okay, true, she got away with it for five years, but now LE hopefully has a tight case to get a conviction. This is one cold woman.

Fla. Man Vanished in 2015 — and Wife Is Arrested After His Remains Are Found Buried in Backyard

MOO, To All of Us who want Justice--
Some times it looks like a case is going cold, but remember LE is often working behind the scenes. At least, I hope they are in Dia's case. Please find Dia.

 

[SoHelpMeGod]

The Sky High Ranch is a fitting name for that type of operation.

I apologize Curious Me! It seems like maybe I never watched this (1st) video (although I did watch the Harper 2nd video several times). It looks like Dia's property on 28893 Bonita Vista Rd IS the Sky High Ranch!!
OMG, I can't believe I missed that, Lol !
Search warrants served in case of missing former La Jolla woman | cbs8.com

OK, so, someone out there has a sense of humor in regards to the grow (maybe).

 

[SoHelpMeGod]

So here's a question for everyone out there who's synapses appear to be firing better than my own.......
Why would LE allow the AirBNB rentals at Dia's Garner Valley property to continue while Dia's not around? Wouldn't there need to be something in writing (a legal document) that would allow a missing person's property to continue to be accessed by a non-owner(s)?
And probably on the Ranch too since Harper doesn't own the property?
I'm not that familiar with AirBNB but you don't appear to need a business license to be a host. But how can you host properties unless you have legal permission?

It seems that Dia has someone running her financial affairs. Her Garner Valley property is still on the market (this listing was updated 10 days ago). Someone must be able to sign paperwork for her if it sells (unless the realtors don't know she's missing?):
36581 Tool Box Spring Road Rd, Mountain Center, CA 92561 - MLS 219040600 - Coldwell Banker

Anyway....... I have to run, thanks!

 

[Sun Spot]

So here's a question for everyone out there who's synapses appear to be firing better than my own.......
Why would LE allow the AirBNB rentals at Dia's Garner Valley property to continue while Dia's not around? Wouldn't there need to be something in writing (a legal document) that would allow a missing person's property to continue to be accessed by a non-owner(s)?
And probably on the Ranch too since Harper doesn't own the property?
I'm not that familiar with AirBNB but you don't appear to need a business license to be a host. But how can you host properties unless you have legal permission?

It seems that Dia has someone running her financial affairs. Her Garner Valley property is still on the market (this listing was updated 10 days ago). Someone must be able to sign paperwork for her if it sells (unless the realtors don't know she's missing?):
36581 Tool Box Spring Road Rd, Mountain Center, CA 92561 - MLS 219040600 - Coldwell Banker

Anyway....... I have to run, thanks!

MOO, Would not the trustee or trustees have control over the business matters in this situation?

 

[SoHelpMeGod]

MOO, Would not the trustee or trustees have control over the business matters in this situation?

I was initially only thinking of Dia being the sole trustee under UDT. And that there might be a public document, accessible to us, that would define a business relationship.
But yes, I suppose a successor trustee (financial entity or individual/s) might take over under incapacitation based on the wording of the trust. Unfortunately under UDT the trust is private and not accessible to us.
Harper is denying being a "beneficiary", which appears to also mean he is denying being a c0-trustee or successor trustee.

Do you think a successor trustee in this case would be a financial entity or an individual(s)?

 

[Sun Spot]

Do you think a successor trustee in this case would be a financial entity or an individual(s)?

MOO, I would suspect she would choose an individual or individuals that she knows. For myself I certainly would knowing how a financial entity change personnel and life views in rapid fashion.

 

[Desert Cruiser]

The properties do have the appearance they were being managed and represented prior to the disappearance and after...

 

[Curious Me]

MOO, a woman of Dia's wealth should definitely consider having a Prenup. How long did she know KH? How long was Diana a Listing Host or in Dia's employment? I can't see any of her financial or legal advisors not suggesting she "protect her assets".

I'm not even sure I believe this supposed marriage KH says was going to happen on July 24th in Jackson Hole, Wyoming. Were any family or friends aware of it? KH acts like they were just going to drive over there, casually without any plans, invitations, guests??? Were there any kind of reservations that LE can check out? Why would Dia want to be married there away from all family and friends when she had a Wedding Venue on her own property? I don't know what to believe.

Was she completely estranged from both children? What about other family? Who would she trust and want to take over if she became incapacitated?

With all her property and wealth, she had to have Directives in place in the event of serious illness, coma, and even death. KH says they didn't discuss her money matters and he didn't mention other Directives he was aware of. Is he just saying that to suppress any suspicions that might be raised if he was a new beneficiary or trustee? They aren't young kids, and her Estate requires some discussion, if you ask me. MOO, it is odd if nothing was discussed when they were to be married in a month and a half.

All MOO, and my own two cents.

 

[stuntpuppy]

MOO, a woman of Dia's wealth should definitely consider having a Prenup. How long did she know KH? How long was Diana a Listing Host or in Dia's employment? I can't see any of her financial or legal advisors not suggesting she "protect her assets".

I'm not even sure I believe this supposed marriage KH says was going to happen on July 24th in Jackson Hole, Wyoming. Were any family or friends aware of it? KH acts like they were just going to drive over there, casually without any plans, invitations, guests??? Were there any kind of reservations that LE can check out? Why would Dia want to be married there away from all family and friends when she had a Wedding Venue on her own property? I don't know what to believe.

Was she completely estranged from both children? What about other family? Who would she trust and want to take over if she became incapacitated?

With all her property and wealth, she had to have Directives in place in the event of serious illness, coma, and even death. KH says they didn't discuss her money matters and he didn't mention other Directives he was aware of. Is he just saying that to suppress any suspicions that might be raised if he was a new beneficiary or trustee? They aren't young kids, and her Estate requires some discussion, if you ask me. MOO, it is odd if nothing was discussed when they were to be married in a month and a half.

All MOO, and my own two cents.

All Good Questions....I just can't stop thinking that he knows more...alive or dead he knows more.

 

[Niner]

All Good Questions....I just can't stop thinking that he knows more...alive or dead he knows more.

From just following along here - I have to agree with you! He knows more... I believe the subject that Dia wanted to talk with him about happened - and he did not like it one bit. Maybe she called off the wedding - considering as someone here suggested - why not have the wedding there & not in Wyoming or Montana or where ever it was supposed to happen.

 

[SoHelpMeGod]

MOO, a woman of Dia's wealth should definitely consider having a Prenup. How long did she know KH? How long was Diana a Listing Host or in Dia's employment? I can't see any of her financial or legal advisors not suggesting she "protect her assets".

I'm not even sure I believe this supposed marriage KH says was going to happen on July 24th in Jackson Hole, Wyoming. Were any family or friends aware of it? KH acts like they were just going to drive over there, casually without any plans, invitations, guests??? Were there any kind of reservations that LE can check out? Why would Dia want to be married there away from all family and friends when she had a Wedding Venue on her own property? I don't know what to believe.

Was she completely estranged from both children? What about other family? Who would she trust and want to take over if she became incapacitated?

With all her property and wealth, she had to have Directives in place in the event of serious illness, coma, and even death. KH says they didn't discuss her money matters and he didn't mention other Directives he was aware of. Is he just saying that to suppress any suspicions that might be raised if he was a new beneficiary or trustee? They aren't young kids, and her Estate requires some discussion, if you ask me. MOO, it is odd if nothing was discussed when they were to be married in a month and a half.

All MOO, and my own two cents.

I would think Dia would have an accountant(s) or other financial person(s) as trustee(s) during incapacitation. I don't think Harper is an acting trustee although he could be a beneficiary of some sort I suppose. I agree that it would be very odd if nothing was discussed by Dia and Harper if they were going to be married.

 

[Curious Me]

It's too quiet here. This is what was going on in the case early this month. There's an extended video interview from her fiancé. "He loved that woman", but he did have to leave town in his RV on business soon after she went missing. Apparently, that struck LE odd, too, because they got a search warrant (6/12) went all the way to NM to seize the RV and took the front seat for testing.

Dia's body has not been found on her ranch properties or in the surrounding areas despite how many Airbnb guests are roaming around. Hope they've been warned what they may stumble on. Sorry, but it's possible. I don't think cadaver dogs or anymore search parties have been back to search the beautiful 116 acres of land.

LE, thinking this was a homicide, must now assume the body is is not on the property. LE must use other means to search for her now. I hope that Netgear router is helpful. I guess they could check highway and store cameras on certain routes. IMO, she could be anywhere along the way and perhaps in another state! This case is not done and it's not going to be business as usual on the ranch for much longer. Any day now...
Prayers they find Dia and this case does not go cold.

Search warrants served in case of missing former La Jolla woman | cbs8.com

Whoa! In a June 8 search warrant served on the Bonita Vista Ranch, investigators seized a list of evidence...

Search warrants served in case of missing former La Jolla woman | cbs8.com​

From the news article:
"In a June 8 search warrant served on the Bonita Vista Ranch, investigators seized a list of evidence, including

• a tan bed sheet with possible blood,
• a band-aid with possible blood,
• a piece of toilet paper with possible blood,
• two spent bullet casings (with F and REM markings),
• two handwritten letters,
• and a Netgear router, News 8 has learned."

"Investigators also searched Harper's storage business, American Storage Complex in Aztec, New Mexico, but the list of evidence removed from the business was kept secret by California investigators."

"Harper previously told News 8 he left the ranch two days after Abrams went missing, and drove his RV to Colorado and New Mexico for business."

"Riverside detectives also served search warrants on other properties owned by Dia Abrams, including the Sky High Ranch, a rental property located a mile and a half west of Abrams' Bonita Vista Ranch...."

Search warrants served in case of missing former La Jolla woman | cbs8.com

RV_warrant.pdf

Bolded, Bulleted, and Underlined by Me
All MOO and thoughts.
Please don't forget Dia. Still missing.

ETA-- Do you think there's a GPS from his RV vehicle that would have tracked and recorded his travel routes? Hope LE has all phones too.

 

[Desert Cruiser]

I guess we should run down the possibilities,if she left(Moo)and did sell a property for $250K, add another $100K laying around , would that last 5 years before it ran out? It doesn't make sense the 5 year waiting game on a missing person gig at there ages. I think the monery could get low, if health problems arise kiss it goodbye real quick, Yay or Nay?

 

[Desert Cruiser]

I don't want to answer your question without understanding it better. The trusts for Clem Abrams would have become effective at his death immediately, that's kind of the point of the one he had drawn up. Dia's trust was a living trust which become effective at signature. Or am I not understanding what you are asking?

Missing persons limitation has a 5 year waiting period to be declared deceased?

 

[Desert Cruiser]

Error

 

[Desert Cruiser]

Error....

 

[SoHelpMeGod]

Missing persons limitation has a 5 year waiting period to be declared deceased?

Dia's trust is a UDT which means the assets covered by the trust do not typically go through probate. Therefore, I don't know if the following is or isn't applicable in her case as it is part of probate code.
Codes Display Text

"12401.
In proceedings under this part, a person who has not been seen or heard from for a continuous period of five years by those who are likely to have seen or heard from that person, and whose absence is not satisfactorily explained after diligent search or inquiry, is presumed to be dead. The person’s death is presumed to have occurred at the end of the period unless there is sufficient evidence to establish that death occurred earlier."
(Enacted by Stats. 1990, Ch. 79.)

 

[Desert Cruiser]

Dia's trust is a UDT which means the assets covered by the trust do not typically go through probate. Therefore, I don't know if the following is or isn't applicable in her case as it is part of probate code.
Codes Display Text

"12401.
In proceedings under this part, a person who has not been seen or heard from for a continuous period of five years by those who are likely to have seen or heard from that person, and whose absence is not satisfactorily explained after diligent search or inquiry, is presumed to be dead. The person’s death is presumed to have occurred at the end of the period unless there is sufficient evidence to establish that death occurred earlier."
(Enacted by Stats. 1990, Ch. 79.)

Yes, that is what I was referring to, since it is NOT in probate, the continuance of progress moves forward on whatever is laid out, rental, real estate sales, etc.
(Moo)If the person in charge(Successor Trustee) finalizes the trust and eventually sells the properties, then all the proceeds sit (as Directed) until the 5 year period matures...
5 years is a long time considering the ages of peeps.

The whole thing may be designated to donate to a charity for all we know...
Since I have a trust, I have named A Successor Trustee in the trust.
After looking at the circumstance of this situation, a Successor Trustee could feel trapped, never ever did the thought of this situation come into play with the thinking and responsibility of a Successor prior to.
This person could resign, but determination seems to be moving forward with the trust outline and the plan. Again MOO.

 

[Desert Cruiser]

When I did my trust, it was recommended to a have a back up trustee, I can see why.