GUILTY CA - Madyson Middleton, 8, Santa Cruz, 26 July 2015 - #3 *Arrest*

[ms_x_to_the_m]

Responding to the last post on the previously, now closed thread:

Speaking of, Have you seen Donnie Darko? It sounds really dark to me.

I think these really violent shows/movies have an affect on some of these people.

Never seen it. Maybe I'll download it and watch it one of these days.

 

[JeannaT]

Well, it's a comfort that with a little bit of a description, we can all name these names.

It's extremely, extremely rare for a child to be out wandering about and meet with foul play. So rare that we can name names of the few this has happend to, over the last years, in the US.

 

[mrsobrien]

It seems popular, and I have only read about it on Wikipedia. I'll have to see if the library has it. So that I can get a better idea about it.

I do think though, that there are way too many really violent movies/shows these days. What's the point?

Darko isn't that extreme, but watch it for yourself. Imo, horror movies are just an artistic expression of fears. I'm not a fanatic, but I understand their purpose and accept their existence. I'm excluding pointless slasher gore pics in that statement, btw.

 

[Mamamerced]

I remember that one. The killer ended up hanging himself on San Quentin's death row a few years ago.

http://www.orovillemr.com/general-news/20111118/man-who-killed-oroville-boy-hangs-himself

Matthew's aunt took him to the restroom, and while she waited outside, Wilson slashed Matthew's throat and stabbed him in the back five times.

Thank you SR for the link. Glad to hear he offed himself. Don't know if I have enough courage to go back to that case, though.
Did you happen to see the videotaped confession? Anyone else?

 

[HarvestMoon]

Thank you SR for the link. Glad to hear he offed himself. Don't know if I have enough courage to go back to that case, though.
Did you happen to see the videotaped confession? Anyone else?

Don't know the case and never saw the confession. It sounds bone chilling.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Darko isn't that extreme, but watch it for yourself.

Imo, horror movies are just an artistic expression of fears.

I'm not a fanatic, but I understand their purpose and accept their existence. I'm excluding pointless slasher gore pics in that statement, btw.

BBM...

I think you have brought up a very good point here...

Additionally... When we look closely at fairy tales many of us were raised on... As were generations before us... We see extreme brutality/abuse/etc...

Examples:
Hansel and Gretel... (The witch tried to cook them)

Little Red Riding Hood...(wolf tried to eat her)

And...many early Disney movies are heartbreaking...

Bambi's mother dies...

Dumbo is bullied unmercifully ...

Cinderella was treated abominably....

Were these tales created to teach life lessons?...

Or....

Help us confront our fears?

:waitasec:

 

[flourish]

Oh yeah you should read "Grimm's Grimmest."

 

[NCsleuther]

Im not too good with names as Im new to the website but wasn't there a teen named Austin Sigg who did something similar to a little girl named Jessica as well? The fact that there are multiple cases is just sickening.

Jessica Ridgeway. AS was a stranger to her, though. Sandra Cantu is another similar murder, only her killer was an adult female.

 

[bluesneakers]

BBM...

I think you have brought up a very good point here...

Additionally... When we look closely at fairy tales many of us were raised on... As were generations before us... We see extreme brutality/abuse/etc...

Examples:
Hansel and Gretel... (The witch tried to cook them)

Little Red Riding Hood...(wolf tried to eat her)

And...many early Disney movies are heartbreaking...

Bambi's mother dies...

Dumbo is bullied unmercifully ...

Cinderella was treated abominably....

Were these tales created to teach life lessons?...

Or....

Help us confront our fears?

:waitasec:

I think to confront our fears and explain things there is no explanation for (brutality, unfairness, elephants being separated from their mothers). Something else I think is watching one of those movies is like riding a roller coaster. There's the adrenaline rush, the fear and the intensity, but you know you're safe... we manufacture our own ways to experience what feels dangerous.

 

[blue22]

Okay I have not followed this case since they found her so forgive me for not knowing this information. Where in the sam hell was his family when he did this to Maddy? How could someone not have heard her being tortured. One would think that someone even if it was a neighbor or someone below him (if he lives above someone) would have heard it. Actually now that I am thinking of it he probably had her mouth covered but still! My god you would think someone would have heard something. This is just terrible! I'm sorry if this came off as rude but I am so damn angry! How can you do that to an innocent child? If something like this happened to my 3 year old nephew I don't know what I would do.

I think his mom was likely at work. This is a beach town and it was a weekend. That time of day, I'd be surprised if many people were inside their apartments. In fact, he probably chose that time because he knew they weren't. JMO/

 

[swedie]

Maddy's murder is one of the most depraved I've ever heard of.
One other that stands out to me is the case where a man followed a little 7(?) year old boy into a public restroom at a San Diego(?) beach park where the child's family was having a reunion. A aunt went into the restroom moments later to find her nephew dying of a slit throat. I think the predator was found shortly afterwards. I watch the police interrogation and it was chilling. As the murderer recounted/relived the killing his whole demeanor became that of a predatory stalker in the moment. His breathing, facial expressions and voice changed as he relived the thrill of the hunt and the kill. He WAS in the moment again and he was a savage. Don't remember names or dates now.
Neither Maddy or he had a chance.

Victoria Stafford's case is one which IMO was very disturbing. It truly is a scary world because typically these monsters look quite normal and can act normal. But of course they are not normal, they are sick and evil and can fool so many people. MOO.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/judge-calls-tori-stafford-killer-a-monster-at-sentencing-1.1180907

 

[wantjustice]

Jessica Ridgeway. AS was a stranger to her, though. Sandra Cantu is another similar murder, only her killer was an adult female.

Sandra Cantu was the case that brought me to WS :cry:

 

[Lilibet]

I scrolled through the FB page for Maddy tonight, noticing how many howled at the blue moon for her last night. Someone even made a sand sculpture on the beach of a wolf howling with a tear in its eye. It was all so touching. Thank you to all the lovely howling WSers who joined in here on the thread. :wolf2:


https://www.facebook.com/SantaCruzS...253449266333/1059482237410115/?type=1&theater
https://www.facebook.com/groups/findmaddie/

 

[margarita25]

Im not too good with names as Im new to the website but wasn't there a teen named Austin Sigg who did something similar to a little girl named Jessica as well? The fact that there are multiple cases is just sickening.

Yes. Jessica Ridgeway. :rose: Maddy's case is very similar. There are no words for what Jessica (and Maddy) endured...(I've linked the arrest / probable cause affidavit for her case below. It will undoubtedly be the most horrific, disturbing thing you've ever read, so please proceed with caution.

ARS Arrest/Probable Cause Affidavit (Warning: Extremely, extremely graphic and heartbreakingly, frighteningly sick beyond words):
www.murderpedia.org/male.S/images/sigg-austin/austin-sigg-arrest-affidavit.pdf

*ARS had Jessica for at least a couple of hours. Jessica's last words while she was being tortured were to ask ARS if she would ever see her mother again. He lied to her and told her yes.

 

[gigibowigi]

This is my first post, although I've read for years here! Maybe this is not on point, but everyone is wondering why AJ hung around, but then ran when they found Maddy. Since he had indicated he was suicidal, could he have been planning this as a "death by cop" if he was too scared to kill himself? Hence, him deliberately staying there then running from LE?

 

[MamaJoJo]

This is my first post, although I've read for years here! Maybe this is not on point, but everyone is wondering why AJ hung around, but then ran when they found Maddy. Since he had indicated he was suicidal, could he have been planning this as a "death by cop" if he was too scared to kill himself? Hence, him deliberately staying there then running from LE?

:welcome: gigibowigi!!

 

[gnsndr33]

This is my first post, although I've read for years here! Maybe this is not on point, but everyone is wondering why AJ hung around, but then ran when they found Maddy. Since he had indicated he was suicidal, could he have been planning this as a "death by cop" if he was too scared to kill himself? Hence, him deliberately staying there then running from LE?

That makes complete sense to me.

 

[human]

This is my first post, although I've read for years here! Maybe this is not on point, but everyone is wondering why AJ hung around, but then ran when they found Maddy. Since he had indicated he was suicidal, could he have been planning this as a "death by cop" if he was too scared to kill himself? Hence, him deliberately staying there then running from LE?

I wondered that as well. The running does not make a lot of sense.

I truly believe he had this planned out. He had to wait for the opportunity. No one at home. Child alone.

The ice cream video made no sense when I watched it. Now it is horrific. Those horrible piano hands.

It seems like so many of these creatures do choose death by cop.

The rest of thise monsters are arrogant as well,

What was he looking for? Glory?

 

[tlcya]

MOO I think this was an idea he may have been toying with in theory but had no specific plan or chosen victim for. I think the opportunity presented itself and he acted on something he may have been fantasizing about for a while. I believe there was a perfect storm of him being in the frame of mind (angry powerless whatever) combined with his apartment being available (no adult home at that moment) and he spots Madyson. BAM. He acts to exert his power and dominance and sick fantasy over this beautiful young lady.

I think his interest in the search and all his questions about it were prompted by fear and an inability not to watch with great interest the hubub he had created. Nothing more powerful than having a secret knowledge that literally everyone around you is seeking. So once more he feels powerful. His continued questions about the search etc were him, relishing in that powerful knowledge only he held. He alone knew the answer to "Where is Maddy?"

When cops found her little body I think reality hit him square between the eyes. All that power was gone, he ran - fight or flight - not gonna win a fight with all the LE there. Flight was the only avenue he saw. Just MOO of the motivations behind this crime and his behaviors afterward.

 

[Paulas88]

I wondered that as well. The running does not make a lot of sense.

I truly believe he had this planned out. He had to wait for the opportunity. No one at home. Child alone.

The ice cream video made no sense when I watched it. Now it is horrific. Those horrible piano hands.

It seems like so many of these creatures do choose death by cop.

The rest of thise monsters are arrogant as well,

What was he looking for? Glory?

You know Human, I really think he wanted us (the world) to see his ugliness, he showed us through his videos, his premeditated evil!! To me, the ice cream video is the most spooky... He's been daydreaming for sometime.

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