GUILTY CA - Matthew Muller for kidnap, rape of 30yo woman, Vallejo, 2015

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Vindicated 'Gone Girl' accuser and her boyfriend appear holding hands to hit out at police who dismissed them as liars, as it's found she WAS kidnapped (by a Harvard academic using a water pistol)

DH and boyfriend Aaron Quinn fronted press conference Monday after the FBI revealed an arrest had been made in kidnapping

DH was abducted from her Vallejo, California, home on March 23

Matthew Muller, 38, has now been charged with the kidnapping

Muller attended Harvard Law and worked as a professor at the college before becoming a lawyer until he was disbarred last year

The FBI made the connection after discovering a pair of goggles in Muller's trunk that matched those DH had said were used in her kidnapping

DH, 29, was dropped off one day after she was kidnapped in her hometown of Huntington Beach

Quinn, 30, was allegedly tied up and monitored by the kidnappers, which is why he could not go to police for 12 hours

Many believed the kidnapping was a hoax, and even law enforcement officials called it an 'orchestrated event

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rated-event-police-claimed.html#ixzz3fpJUHksO
 
oceanblueeyes said:
I am very glad to see they have finally arrested the suspect. I never thought DH was making any of this up or her boyfriend. Neither one ever struck me as the type to pull a hoax. I couldn't ever find any logical reason why they would do something so bizarre. When the police called it a hoax I know that had to hurt both of them deeply and make them angry as hell at the same time. I don't blame them. I cant imagine how angry I would be if I was telling the truth the entire time and the police who were suppose to be the ones to help me were the very ones that didn't believe me. I feel very sorry for both of them and am glad to know through all of this unbelievable stress they had to be under they have managed to stay together.

I am so glad the FBI took the case seriously. Someone in law enforcement had to because the other police department acted like the Apple Dumpling Gang. That's what they get for assuming instead of really investigating like they are supposed to do. They remind me of the first police department that had jurisdiction in the McStay family case. They too were too busy assuming and not taking the missing family case seriously.

I wouldn't be surprised if DH and her boyfriend file a lawsuit against the local police department. They made them a laughing stock when DH had really been kidnapped by this weirdo. Its shameful and to rebuke them publically made it all the worse for both of them and damaged their lives.

I just hope they can catch all that was involved in this bizarre scheme. If he hadn't invaded another home they may have never solved this case and it would have left the victims twisting in the wind with them continuing to be called liars.

That is why I never put much stock in what LE says. I have seen them wrong many times and they are the ones who wound up with egg on their face.

IMO
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Well you were totally right. You've had great instincts on a few cases that most went the other way on! Wow.

I am very shocked. I was so totally enraged at this couple. It looked like the biggest joke hoax I'd ever seen. Boy was I wrong!

One thing I take issue with though, IME it is actually rare that the police are wrong. They have a desire to solve cases and catch the bad guy and tons of experience. It happens but not often.

But the uncle who I called delusional and a blowhard for saying the cops would have egg on their faces? He was so right!

Wow!
 
(From above D M link)

"They claimed that they drilled holes in the window of DH and Quinn's home to gain entry, and then used squirt guns with 'strobe flashlights and laser pointers' attached to them to make it appear as if they were firearms."

"They say they played 'calming music' as they went about the abduction, and put monitors on Quinn, 30, so they could make sure he did not go to police."

"They then said they put DH in the trunk of Quinn's car and drove off with her."

"Attorneys for both Quinn and DH claimed throughout the aftermath of this ordeal that their clients had confirmed aspects of this email, and that they had sent photos of the holes drilled in the window that the kidnappers used to gain access to prove that whoever sent this note is telling the truth."

"DH's attorney, Doug Rappaport, said that the reason police called the incident a hoax is because the kidnappers used 'sophisticated computer skills' that neither they or the FBI could 'comprehend.'
 
marble said:
Just read this thread from the beginning and wow is there a lot of ugliness a few pages earlier. Not this site's finest hour :/
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I don't find anything wrong with our reaction here. Sorry. The facts of the case were absolutely incredible. The definition of incredible. The story was bizarre and nonsensical and then the "victims" clammed up. But none of us would've said the "ugly" things we said on this thread if it wasn't for the fact that the police told us it was a hoax.

We are supposed to trust LE. They always have more information than us. Coupled with the fantastic facts of this case, I think the majority reaction was totally merited. At the time.

But I have zero problem admitting I'm wrong when the facts show that to be the case. And I was wrong here. I feel bad for this couple and their family, bearing the brunt of a disdainful, mocking and enraged police department and public. This unbelievable story actually did happen and almost no one found them credible. That must've been horrible.
 
oceanblueeyes said:
I am very glad to see they have finally arrested the suspect. I never thought DH was making any of this up or her boyfriend. Neither one ever struck me as the type to pull a hoax. I couldn't ever find any logical reason why they would do something so bizarre. When the police called it a hoax I know that had to hurt both of them deeply and make them angry as hell at the same time. I don't blame them. I cant imagine how angry I would be if I was telling the truth the entire time and the police who were suppose to be the ones to help me were the very ones that didn't believe me. I feel very sorry for both of them and am glad to know through all of this unbelievable stress they had to be under they have managed to stay together.

I am so glad the FBI took the case seriously. Someone in law enforcement had to because the other police department acted like the Apple Dumpling Gang. That's what they get for assuming instead of really investigating like they are supposed to do. They remind me of the first police department that had jurisdiction in the McStay family case. They too were too busy assuming and not taking the missing family case seriously.

I wouldn't be surprised if DH and her boyfriend file a lawsuit against the local police department. They made them a laughing stock when DH had really been kidnapped by this weirdo. Its shameful and to rebuke them publically made it all the worse for both of them and damaged their lives.

I just hope they can catch all that was involved in this bizarre scheme. If he hadn't invaded another home they may have never solved this case and it would have left the victims twisting in the wind with them continuing to be called liars.

That is why I never put much stock in what LE says. I have seen them wrong many times and they are the ones who wound up with egg on their face.

IMO
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I hope they do sue them. Got to be alot of emotional damage done to them.
 
Glad I found this thread. This guy is nuts and it is local for me and kinda personal. My home was broken into in May. Hoping it wasn't this creep. I guess it's good none of us were home.
 
No JA meant in that comment. There really is a fine line. Justify it as you may.

My sister was a genius and insane. Fine line.
 
gogrannypop said:
There is a fine line between genius and insanity.
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Naw. I'd say Muller leans a lot further toward insanity. :seeya:

I saw an article about this on my home page a few minutes ago and could hardly believe it! I was sure the story was gone for good because I really thought it was a hoax.

Like others here, I do feel bad about laughing at DH and her BF, but who would have thought the story was fact when it sounded so much like fiction. It sounds like a loony movie... or even a cartoon because events were so outlandish. It sounds even more so with the additional details we are given today.

Ironically, I thought of this case just within the last couple of days. I wondered if they had kept their PT jobs. Did their employers believe them? If they continued working as PT's, how did their patients respond? That's what made me think of them -- the idea that I would have been very wary of them.

I hope now that the truth is out it will bring emotional healing to the victims.
 
(Sorry I meant to quote your post, Indy.)

"They also hinted that the couple might sue for police claiming that they lied about what happened, saying both are struggling to get work in light of the incident."

ETA: I just realized that they must have been terminated - maybe they were seen as pr liability. Ya, "in light of the incident." Geez, what a freakin mess. Can they sue the ex-employer for wrongful termination if they were actually terminated due to this whole fiasco?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rated-event-police-claimed.html#ixzz3fpuXQ6r8
 
gitana1 said:
Well you were totally right. You've had great instincts on a few cases that most went the other way on! Wow.

I am very shocked. I was so totally enraged at this couple. It looked like the biggest joke hoax I'd ever seen. Boy was I wrong!

One thing I take issue with though, IME it is actually rare that the police are wrong. They have a desire to solve cases and catch the bad guy and tons of experience. It happens but not often.

But the uncle who I called delusional and a blowhard for saying the cops would have egg on their faces? He was so right!

Wow!
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Good morning my friend! Thank you.

Yes, through the years there have been many cases where I held the minority opinion (which can be really tough to do :D) before a suspect had been arrested and it turned out I was correct. I don't know if it is some special kind of instinct or just that I closely look at the individual case overall. One thing I don't do is assume the suspect is the 'usual suspect' statistically. Whatever it is it has served me very well over the 20 years I have belonged to crime message boards.

In this one I couldn't ever come up with a logical explanation why they would pull a hoax. People who pull hoaxes aren't looked at favorably. This couple seem to be living out the American dream. Both had good jobs.. which now they have both lost... due to the VJ PD falsely accusing them. The plot was very complex and that would mean they would have to keep a lot of lies straight. If it had been a hoax I think they would have made the story simpler and the ransom demand higher and they wouldn't bring her back to her hometown. Perhaps he is a genius and knew if he did it this way it would look like DH was making it all up. And it almost worked.

Now we know why it was so bizarre and a scheme thought up by someone who is possibly mentally ill. That is why it was so bizarre. His thought processes seem to be way out there. There have been some really strange home invasions but this one truly was one of the weirdest.

I don't blame any poster who thought this was a hoax. Everyone was told it was a hoax so of course they would believe what the police said. We tend to believe what a police officer says and most all of the time they are correct and truthful. I never questioned why most everyone believed it. I can understand perfectly why they did.

Now it seems the local PD fed right into his hands too. So he even was good enough to trick them into believing this never really happened. I am so glad he was caught. I do believe if he had gotten away with this he would have continued to do other home invasions and they may have gotten more and more dangerous and twisted as time went on.

I do agree with you about how the police wants to solve cases. I was actually referring to the countless times LE has come out in a community and told them the victims weren't randomly targeted leaving them to believe they were murdered by someone they knew and giving the community a false sense of security. I cant even begin to list all the times they have been wrong and when the suspect was finally arrested the perpetrator did not know the victims. That is what I was referring to about having egg on their face and I should have made my prior post clearer.

I am happy for this couple that the truth came out. I hope now in their community they will be supported as the victims they both are instead of being disparaged and deemed liars.

The way they have been treated falls squarely on the shoulders of the local police department who labeled them hoaxsters when they weren't.

IMO
 
Everyone needs to read that 60 page document- it's really horrific what this couple was put through. It's one of the strangest, most complicated crimes I've ever read about.

The kidnapper is obviously mentally ill and I'm glad that he worked hard to get the truth out. (Of course, there's a lot of grandiose untruths in his letters, but at least the way he envisions himself led him to feel remorse for what he'd done as well as want everyone to - a. know just how clever he is, and b. try to force his victims to forgive him as their "rescuer" in the end.)

I hope this couple are able to get a lot of therapy and support in the coming years, they're going to need it, especially because of the abuse they suffered *after* the kidnapper released DH.

Putting myself in their shoes, how can you ever trust society at large, and everyone in your home community, not to turn on you when you've been a victim?

If these two people were of lesser means and had fewer good connections (and if DH's uncle wasn't a lawyer who knew how to navigate the system and get justice) I think there's a very good chance they would have been wrongly convicted of staging this themselves.

Even if they weren't found guilty in the end, can you imagine the hell of being put through of being publicly tried for a harrowing crime committed against you?
 
Blondie in Spokane said:
(Sorry I meant to quote your post, Indy.)

"They also hinted that the couple might sue for police claiming that they lied about what happened, saying both are struggling to get work in light of the incident."

ETA: I just realized that they must have been terminated - maybe they were seen as pr liability. Ya, "in light of the incident." Geez, what a freakin mess. Can they sue the ex-employer for wrongful termination if they were actually terminated due to this whole fiasco?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rated-event-police-claimed.html#ixzz3fpuXQ6r8
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SMH, thinking Richard Jewel here. I'm speechless and in thought.
 
marble said:
Everyone needs to read that 60 page document- it's really horrific what this couple was put through. It's one of the strangest, most complicated crimes I've ever read about.

The kidnapper is obviously mentally ill and I'm glad that he worked hard to get the truth out. (Of course, there's a lot of grandiose untruths in his letters, but at least the way he envisions himself led him to feel remorse for what he'd done as well as want everyone to - a. know just how clever he is, and b. try to force his victims to forgive him as their "rescuer" in the end.)

I hope this couple are able to get a lot of therapy and support in the coming years, they're going to need it, especially because of the abuse they suffered *after* the kidnapper released DH.

Putting myself in their shoes, how can you ever trust society at large, and everyone in your home community, not to turn on you when you've been a victim?

If these two people were of lesser means and had fewer good connections (and if DH's uncle wasn't a lawyer who knew how to navigate the system and get justice) I think there's a very good chance they would have been wrongly convicted of staging this themselves.

Even if they weren't found guilty in the end, can you imagine the hell of being put through of being publicly tried for a harrowing crime committed against you?
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What 60 page document? I have time as just listening to the long jury instructions of the Holmes/theater trial right now, and waiting for closing arguments to begin in less than an hour (hopefully)
 
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I don't blame LE for being suspicious at first. This guy is borderline genius. He and his cohorts did everything "right" to cast aspersion to victim M. And who in their right mind would believe that a common kidnapper would be using an anonymizer, recording soothing music, taking vitals, sending emails to the press, marking things with red duct tape and finally having compassion for victim F? Usually, if it walks like a duck, it quacks like a duck (we do that here with spousal/baby murders all of the time), and I can see them thinking...NO WAY this happened like they said it did. This was an aberrant.

I am glad the FBI got involved. And I'm truly sorry for not believing the victims in this case. They did go through a ton of trauma during and after. :(
 
SurfieTX said:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I don't blame LE for being suspicious at first. This guy is borderline genius. He and his cohorts did everything "right" to cast aspersion to victim M. And who in their right mind would believe that a common kidnapper would be using an anonymizer, recording soothing music, taking vitals, sending emails to the press, marking things with red duct tape and finally having compassion for victim F? Usually, if it walks like a duck, it quacks like a duck (we do that here with spousal/baby murders all of the time), and I can see them thinking...NO WAY this happened like they said it did. This was an aberrant.

I am glad the FBI got involved. And I'm truly sorry for not believing the victims in this case. They did go through a ton of trauma during and after. :(
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Did the FBI continue to work the case since March or were they given information from the Alameda County Sheriffs, Dublin, CA Police Officers and members of the El Dorado County Sheriff's Department after their arrest of Muller in early June?
 
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