CA - Natalie Wood, 43, drowned off California coast, 29 Nov 1981

[kINGFISHER]

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but it is an interesting read. The attached link contains the statements made by the Captain, Margaret Rulli, Wood's daughter Lana, Marilyn Lane (the woman who head NW screams), Roger Smith (the Search and Rescue person who found NWs body), and a woman named Marianne Pesci. I believe this document was what was submitted to the LACSD to get the investigation reopened. Please read it if you haven't. It is posted on TMZ. See document.

Yes an interesting read thank you. It seems a lot of evidence had been dismissed or ignored from willing witnesses at the time. The bit about the Captain , who spent the night on Avalon on friday with NW, but he did not say why they spent the time on the island when interviewed and first said they were all on the boat. Some sort of cover up here I would think. Can anyone elaborate on this.

 

[stilettos]

The fact that RW admits in his autobiography that he was jealous of Natalie and Warren Beaty...and his response to that was to take a gun to his house with intent to shoot him...tells me he has an issue with violence. The fact that RW initially told police that the wine bottle was smashed due to the seas and not from his own doing during an argument tells me he was covering something up. (He changed his story and admits to the argument and breaking the wine bottle in his autobiography) There is more than enough stink to investigate.

 

[Columbo]

So RW is responsible for the Captain's drinking problem as well. Anything else we want to blame on him? LOL

RW wasn't responsible for the Captain's drinking problem;the Captain is responsible for his own problems. I think RW knew the Captain loved to drink and giving him more was a good way to manipulate him and get him to go along with his story. That's just my opinion, though. Right now I'm going on a gut feeling about the Captain and his new revelations--and how I always felt about this case, that the story was very dodgy.

 

[Columbo]

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but it is an interesting read. The attached link contains the statements made by the Captain, Margaret Rulli, Wood's daughter Lana, Marilyn Lane (the woman who head NW screams), Roger Smith (the Search and Rescue person who found NWs body), and a woman named Marianne Pesci. I believe this document was what was submitted to the LACSD to get the investigation reopened. Please read it if you haven't. It is posted on TMZ. See document.

Thanks for posting this document, Penelope--what a great find.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

So RW is responsible for the Captain's drinking problem as well. Anything else we want to blame on him? LOL

It sounds like RJ had a drinking problem of his own.

IMO

 

[Columbo]

It sounds like RJ had a drinking problem of his own.

IMO

Yes, indeed, it really does.

 

[Chewy]

It sounds like RJ had a drinking problem of his own.

IMO

Yep and a drug problem, which I've acknowledged from the start of the thread. It still has nothing to do with the responsibility of the captain and the delay in calling the police that lead to Natalie Wood's death.

 

[kINGFISHER]

I have a feeling he may be over compensating for other indiscretions and he wants the public to believe that he had such strong feelings for her with the gun thing. I don't see how he could feel that strong if we believe other accounts that he was engaged elsewhere with other people . But that statement about the gun does seem to incriminate , points to having a violent nature ,especially if he is further questioned on this and the fight. But maybe he thought it was a closed case.

 

[Plumeria5]

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but it is an interesting read. The attached link contains the statements made by the Captain, Margaret Rulli, Wood's daughter Lana, Marilyn Lane (the woman who head NW screams), Roger Smith (the Search and Rescue person who found NWs body), and a woman named Marianne Pesci. I believe this document was what was submitted to the LACSD to get the investigation reopened. Please read it if you haven't. It is posted on TMZ. See document.

Wow! Thanks for that article! Haven't finished it yet but...interesting that the light was broken on the dinghy. I don't know how it is turned on but had Natalie been able to turn it on she could have been found. Coincidence it didn't work that night? IDK

 

[Plumeria5]

http://martirulli.blogspot.com/2010/02/walls-of-splendour.html

This photo of RW in the water kind of gives me the chills.

 

[Chewy]

On that link you can see a comment by Marti Rulli where she points out that Dennis says he did not see Natalie Wood wearing the down jacket while she was on the deck. Then moments later she is in the water. So according to Dennis RW got mad attacked her and then went to get a jacket, put the jacket on her and threw her over?

Uhmm mmmm


See it's as if people discussing it are not actually listening to the things that Dennis is saying and writing it ALL down and putting it together like a puzzle. If you did, you'd see his story doesn't make any sense at all.

He says things and then can't remember saying them later etc. He's basically all over the place.

But since people are so wrapped up in the drama its a juicy gossip story so that's all that matters.


RWs behavior makes perfect sense to me. He and his wife had a fight. NW and he both had been unfaithful in the past. She's on the boat with her co-star who is encouraging her to pay more attention to her acting career than her personal life. RW gets jealous and thinks CW is trying to make a move.

He gets in a fight and she storms off. And he's like "Eff her, I'm not running after her, let her freakin' go" and he acts like he doesn't care. He doesn't realize she's in the water.

That's how it looks to me.


The only thing that would make any sense in him deliberately hurting her is that if he hated Walken and wanted to shut down the movie Brainstorm, maybe he left her in the water thinking she'd be hurt but ok and that would shut down filming? But that's just too out there.

 

[kINGFISHER]

Daverne has still not said what he lied about has he. If all that was going on wouldn't you think CW would have wanted to leave. I don't think many people would have wanted to be there with that atmosphere especially as she was not even on the boat on the Friday and supposedly she was the one who wanted him there. If that was a friend of mine and that person had invited me then I would like to think that I would have supported her and not end up the next day with a hangover after drinking all night with someone else.

 

[stilettos]

It is the confluence of all the affidavits about that night that beg the issue of RW complicity. So, everyone but RW is lying now? The uninvolved witness and her boatmate that heard the screams and man responding, the man who found her, the forensic profiler and the Captain are all lying? I think there is enough info in these statements to warrant an investigation and put some hard questions to Mr. Wagner. The boat Captain is willing to speak with LE despite what some say are culpability issues. I am sure the innocent Mr Wagner will run right on in and answer all LE's questions. Oh yeah, that's right...he lawyered up. We may get another PR release though.

 

[Chewy]

Daverne has still not said what he lied about has he. If all that was going on wouldn't you think CW would have wanted to leave. I don't think many people would have wanted to be there with that atmosphere especially as she was not even on the boat on the Friday and supposedly she was the one who wanted him there. If that was a friend of mine and that person had invited me then I would like to think that I would have supported her and not end up the next day with a hangover after drinking all night with someone else.

Wait I thought CW was passed out in his state room remember? This is what I mean.

If RW was having a huge fight with his wife on deck about cheating on her with CW then don't you think Walken would want to go to stay in the hotel?

I agree. That's why I said, if you put down everything Daverne says and look at ALL of it, it doesn't make any sense.

He hasn't even accused RW of killing her outright but is throwing around the same disjointed crap he has for years.

Also I'd like to hear the timeline people think occurred between the time RW noticed her missing and the time he contacted the Harbor Patrol. His actions show that he thought she went in the dingy to the shore.

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but it is an interesting read. The attached link contains the statements made by the Captain, Margaret Rulli, Wood's daughter Lana, Marilyn Lane (the woman who head NW screams), Roger Smith (the Search and Rescue person who found NWs body), and a woman named Marianne Pesci. I believe this document was what was submitted to the LACSD to get the investigation reopened. Please read it if you haven't. It is posted on TMZ. See document.

:seeya: This is really good. Thank you for posting it, Penelope.

My 80-year-old mom (super-hip) will love reading this when she is here for Thanksgiving.

 

[stilettos]

Wait I thought CW was passed out in his state room remember? This is what I mean.

If RW was having a huge fight with his wife on deck about cheating on her with CW then don't you think Walken would want to go to stay in the hotel?

I agree. That's why I said, if you put down everything Daverne says and look at ALL of it, it doesn't make any sense.

He hasn't even accused RW of killing her outright but is throwing around the same disjointed crap he has for years.

Also I'd like to hear the timeline people think occurred between the time RW noticed her missing and the time he contacted the Harbor Patrol. His actions show that he thought she went in the dingy to the shore.

Ya...I believe his off the cuff to a first responder was...She is probably off screwing somebody cause that is the kind if woman she is.

http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/64511607.html

 

[Chewy]

But now Mr Davern has admitted he lied in the initial police report and that he believes it was her husband who was responsible for her death.
He told NBC today: 'I made some terrible decisions and mistakes. I did lie on a report several years ago.
'I made mistakes by not telling the honest truth in a police report.'
He added: 'We didn't take any steps to see if we could locate her. I think it was a matter of, 'We're not going to look too hard, we're not going to turn on the searchlight, we're not going to notify anybody right now'.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rs-tale-drowned-IMPOSSIBLE.html#ixzz1eH3VWqut

This is going to be interesting to see how it pans out.

Because according to that report

. There was a dr astic delay in calling for help from aboard Splendour. Wagner and/or Davern
were fully aware of Natalie’s absence from approximately 11:05 P.M., yet a ship-to-shore
call was not placed until 1:30 A.M., and the Coast Guard was not called until 3:30 A.M., a
flagrant violation of maritime pr otocol. This un acceptable de lay i n reporting a pe rson
missing from a yacht was never officially examined.

And I love how DD is pointing out its a flagrant violation of maritime protocol as if someone else is responsible for it.

 

[Columbo]

Ya...I believe his off the cuff to a first responder was...She is probably off screwing somebody cause that is the kind if woman she is.

http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/64511607.html

bolded by me.

Yes, if you look at page 12 of the document that asks for the case to be reopened (link below, originally posted by Penelope) you will see this comment by Wagner.

His wife has just been found dead, and he says they "thought she was probably off on another boat screwing around because that is the kind of woman she is". WTH? The woman who was the love of his life? She's found dead and he still displays this kind of anger? It really doesn't jive with what he cried when the group boarded the Splendour to give him the news: "she's gone, she's gone Oh God, she's gone. Why ?" in what I think was fake anguish . Talk about inflated egos.....he seems sociopathic to me.

http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/1117_declaration.pdf

 

[Chewy]

They said he said something LIKE that, which could mean anything. For gods sake can we at least distinguish the hearsay and "something like" comments from the actual ones.

It could have been "I thought she was off on another boat screwing around (like goofing off or hanging out) because she likes to party."

I do agree that he comes across as a selfish insecure jerk though.


However if you think about it, if he DID think she just went off to party elsewhere, by 7:45 in the morning he had to know something was seriously wrong. Not just by then but by 2-3 am when they couldn't find her. He had to know what was coming.

 

[Columbo]

They said he said something LIKE that, which could mean anything. For gods sake can we at least distinguish the hearsay and "something like" comments from the actual ones.

It could have been "I thought she was off on another boat screwing around (like goofing off or hanging out) because she likes to party."

I do agree that he comes across as a selfish insecure jerk though.


However if you think about it, if he DID think she just went off to party elsewhere, by 7:45 in the morning he had to know something was seriously wrong. Not just by then but by 2-3 am when they couldn't find her. He had to know what was coming.

But two people actually said they heard him say the same thing--especially the last part of his statement being "because that's the kind of woman she is". As angry as he was the night before, if she really was the love of his life as he declares, he would never say something like this upon finding out she was deceased. It sounds really defensive, too.

I think it's important to let go of Daverne for a minute and look at what other witnesses say, people who are not alcoholics and sound quite dependable. It's easy to pick on him because he has the least status of anyone on board, and it is despicable that he didn't carry out his legal obligations as Captain. Obviously no one was held accountable in 1981--Daverne should have lost his pilot's license then, at the very least. But the whole event was shoved under the rug. Everyone walked.

And Wagner's story has changed since 1981, too.