Still Missing CA - Orson & Orrin West (3&4), California City, 21 Dec 2020 #5

[Ontario Mom]

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- Threats of physical violence
- Death threats
- harassment
- misinformation perpetuated by groups like AV Watchmen United We Stand and other individuals
- behavior targeted towards the adoptive Grandparents, Aunts, Uncles, and Cousins of the missing boys
- individuals who have trespassed on various family members’ properties
- hurled insults
- reported false information deliberately
- damage property
- created a hate-filled hostile environment
- stalking both grandmothers as they travelled to their medical appointments
- attacked one of the grandfathers — a disabled veteran — while he attempted a walk to the store
- other children in the extended family now scared to go outside
- slanderous and false statements

KEEP THE FOCUS ON THE SEARCH FOR ORRIN AND ORSON WEST — NOT ATTACKING INNOCENT FAMILY MEMBERS

 

[Knox]

The original post has been edited and a great deal more is being said since I looked this morning. I say again, these folks have the right to protect themselves and it looks like they are going to be filing restraining orders.

KEEP THE FOCUS ON THE SEARCH FOR ORRIN AND ORSON WEST — NOT ATTACKING INNOCENT FAMILY MEMBERS

 

[ChatteringBirds]

They can’t unless they were harmed .
Moo

More than one child can run off and get lost together. There was recently a case here where 4 siblings who were playing outside together at their grandma's house near a forest disappeared. They were located safe in the forest that night, together, I think about a mile away. The thread was deleted from Websleuths after they were found.

We need to look at the evidence, not just that two are missing.

One thing I find suspicious, if you're searching for a missing child, you might have one parent stay home while the other searches. The parent at home would then start the process with LE while the searching parent keeps searching.
If TW returned home to wait for LE, that isn't what happened. He didn't search long and didn't trust his wife to handle LE? Why? Him being there as soon as LE arrived was more important than continuing his search? Why?

Note this post is ALL just my opinions and speculation based on the alleged neighbor's security video.

 

[MoeInVA]

If the police have already searched the grandparents’ homes and yards and if the grandparents have been fully cooperative and are not currently POIs, the police could announce that info for the safety of all involved. JMO

 

[susiQ]

Maybe its time the adoptive parents actually make a statement??!!! Their silence is deafening.... maybe they should actually DEFEND their family?

MOO

RBBM
Excellent point! The problem is, the AP can’t even defend themselves. Under normal, dare I say, innocent circumstances, the AP would have had a joint PC with Chief Walker. But that didn’t happen. Why? Because I don’t think either of them can in good conscience do it. I suppose if the AP begged Chief Walker for such a PC he would reluctantly give in. He’s likely relieved they haven’t pressured him into doing that. Why? Because his focus is likely on them. We have seen the same type of situation in the Suzanne Morphew “missing” case.

Having said that, I in no way support what’s been going on in CC and Bakersfield except for the peaceful gatherings that are focusing on Orrin and Orson. LE are doing their job behind the scenes and they will bring this to a close when they have enough of what they need for a DA to call for an arrest of any and all guilty parties. It may still take some time. JMVHO.
ed: clarity

 

[Knox]

If the police have already searched the grandparents’ homes and yards and if the grandparents have been fully cooperative and are not currently POIs, the police could announce that info for the safety of all involved. JMO

Good point, we've seen that done in other cases!

 

[mickey2942]

If the police have already searched the grandparents’ homes and yards and if the grandparents have been fully cooperative and are not currently POIs, the police could announce that info for the safety of all involved. JMO

Unless, the police can't say that...we don't know what has been happening behind the scenes.

 

[rosesfromangels]

RBBM
Excellent point! The problem is, they can’t even defend themselves. Under normal, dare I say, innocent circumstances, the AP would have had a joint PC with Chief Walker. But that didn’t happen. Why? Because I don’t think either of them can in good conscience do it. I suppose if the AP begged Chief Walker for such a PC he would reluctantly give in. He’s likely relieved they haven’t pressured him into doing that. Why? Because his focus is likely on them. We have seen the same type of situation in the Suzanne Morphew “missing” case.

Having said that, I in no way support what’s been going on in CC and Bakersfield except for the peaceful gatherings that are focusing on Orrin and Orson. LE are doing their job behind the scenes and they will bring this to a close when they have enough of what they need for a DA to call for an arrest of any and all guilty parties. It may still take some time. JMVHO.

Unless I have misunderstood, I don't think the extended family lives in Cal City, and I'm not sure if they would even fall under Chief Walkers jurisdiction? None the less, the situation is out of hand and could very well become deadly if Bakersfield (?) P.D. doesn't issue a strong warning and then back that up with arrests. This needs to happen NOW before there is another tragedy.

As far as the AP's are concerned, there is nothing they could say at this point that would satisfy the citizenry. In fact, it would likely have the opposite effect. It is better that they are out of sight at this point IMO.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

I really wish we knew if search warrants were issued in Bakersfield for the 2 certain locations.
I don't think a lot of people believe the boys disappeared from Cal City, although I don't think the 2 certain locations hold answers.
However, if the protesters concerns were addressed, the protests would end.

 

[susiQ]

Unless I have misunderstood, I don't think the extended family lives in Cal City, and I'm not sure if they would even fall under Chief Walkers jurisdiction? None the less, the situation is out of hand and could very well become deadly if Bakersfield (?) P.D. doesn't issue a strong warning and then back that up with arrests. This needs to happen NOW before there is another tragedy.

As far as the AP's are concerned, there is nothing they could say at this point that would satisfy the citizenry. In fact, it would likely have the opposite effect. It is better that they are out of sight at this point IMO.

Amateur opinion and speculation

I was referring to the AP’s doing a PC with Chief Walker, not the extended family. If I understand correctly, some of them live out of State.
MOO
ed: I have edited my previous post for clarity.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

Unless I have misunderstood, I don't think the extended family lives in Cal City, and I'm not sure if they would even fall under Chief Walkers jurisdiction? None the less, the situation is out of hand and could very well become deadly if Bakersfield (?) P.D. doesn't issue a strong warning and then back that up with arrests. This needs to happen NOW before there is another tragedy.

As far as the AP's are concerned, there is nothing they could say at this point that would satisfy the citizenry. In fact, it would likely have the opposite effect. It is better that they are out of sight at this point IMO.

Amateur opinion and speculation

What would they arrest them for? Yelling isn't a crime, nor is holding signs or looking at the backyard from a neighbors home with permission.
Would I say it's ok? No, probably not, but in many many cases I followed there have been protests. I'm thinking of the Stacy Peterson case
where people taped the home night and day from a neighbors yard and news camped out. Laci Peterson case too. Now that was a lot of protesting as well.

 

[rosesfromangels]

What would they arrest them for? Yelling isn't a crime, nor is holding signs or looking at the backyard from a neighbors home with permission.
Would I say it's ok? No, probably not, but in many many cases I followed there have been protests. I'm thinking of the Stacy Peterson case
where people taped the home night and day from a neighbors yard and news camped out. Laci Peterson case too. Now that was a lot of protesting as well.

Death threats. Some of our posters have indicated the extended family is receiving threats on their lives. That certainly is worthy of police intervention. As far as shouting in the streets, that's disturbing the peace. If they step foot on the extended families property, that is trespassing. Could possibly throw in harassment and few other things too IWT.

Amateur opinion an speculation

 

[MsMarple]

While we would like them to, it would likely just fuel the mob’s ire even more. Probably best that they stay out of the public eye, as they are. This is now a matter of safety for their extended family.

As for the missing children, I am grateful we have a tenacious Chief on the case. Along with the agencies, and that hefty reward, there is a good chance they will find them.
It is likely all the video evidence they are sorting through, will lead them somewhere. That, and the forensics of course.

Amateur opinion and speculation

Sadly I agree that it's a bit too late for the parents to make any more public statements as IMO just about anything they say now will be scrutinized with a negative outcome. I don't even know if anything would be different if they had been extremely vocal all this time anyway. In Maliyah B's case nothing the mom or her boyfriend could have said or done would have convinced me they were not involved.

Now would also be a good time for the bio family to step forward and make a statement about leaving extended family alone as IMO they hold much sway in the community and could help keep tempers in control. I doubt they will do so at this late date.

I hate to think that these distractions might work in favor of the parents. IMO LE's time is much better spent investigating than arresting trespassers. MOO.

 

[Rachelj1]

There’s just a lot wrong going on right now I think. In the statements the extended family separates themselves from the AP’s which is ok I guess ... but it’s not helping them whatsoever .

The protesters are wanting answers from TW and JW and until they speak up , just say anything , I mean your sons are missing ? I think if they would say something it would quiet some noise. Of course they may not be able to though like mentioned before !!!

moo

 

[Rachelj1]

Sadly I agree that it's a bit too late for the parents to make any more public statements as IMO just about anything they say now will be scrutinized with a negative outcome. I don't even know if anything would be different if they had been extremely vocal all this time anyway. In Maliyah B's case nothing the mom or her boyfriend could have said or done would have convinced me they were not involved.

Now would also be a good time for the bio family to step forward and make a statement about leaving extended family alone as IMO they hold much sway in the community and could help keep tempers in control. I doubt they will do so at this late date.

I hate to think that these distractions might work in favor of the parents. IMO LE's time is much better spent investigating than arresting trespassers. MOO.

I think that the bio family is too furious to be honest .

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

Bayan Wang covered the peaceful march and peaceful candlelight prayer service.
Video:
Bayan Wang 23ABC

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

All done with updates. Whew, that took all day!

Orrin and Orson West -CA-

 

[rosesfromangels]

All done with updates. Whew, that took all day!

Orrin and Orson West -CA-

Thank you so much! Such a great support to reviewing the case. Many thanks!

 

[Bbybluz]

Bayan Wang covered the peaceful march and peaceful candlelight prayer service.
Video:
Bayan Wang 23ABC

At the very end you will hear a Bio family member named RR talk about Peace & all throughout the ceremony they let anyone who wanted to say something to do so. It will warm your hear when the young bio family children ( cousins to the boys) talk.

Their focus is finding the boys & any & all tips & clues they come across they turn in to CCPD even though many feel it isn’t helping.

This neighborhood asked the Bio family to please come back & hold this candlelight vigil and left it with an open invitation.

All the above was narrated by me.

 

[PommyMommy]

FEB 7, 2021
Family of missing brothers, three and four, say they have become targets | Daily Mail Online

The Daily Fail is still spelling TW's name wrong.

West family asks community to keep searching for missing adoptive sons | KBAK (bakersfieldnow.com)
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