Still Missing CA - Orson & Orrin West (3&4), California City, 21 Dec 2020 #5

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They need to set differences aside for Orrin,and Orson that's who this all about Period. They could provide pics to LE, the media, or post on FB,and the billboard. It's just so petty not to because "the bio family". They don't even have deal directly with the bio family. They can get leo, or child advocate, CPS, anybody to go deal with that. MOO
I don't think that's going to happen. It's been almost two months and we have not heard a word from the parents since the second day of the investigation. Nobody seems to know where they are. If they wanted to provide more pictures or ask the public for help they would have done so by now. Imo
 
Trezell & Jacqueline West & Larry Milette Statements

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I watched the whole thing. Pretty interesting stuff. Raised a lot of the same points I have personally and In my opinion
 
So the money is for a different company since the Lamar Advertising Company is offering digital billboards? IOW a separate billboard company entirely? Sorry, I'm just trying to get it straight.
https://www.turnto23.com/news/local...rothers-now-displayed-on-billboard-in-oildale


I just know that the Lamar company that owns 2 of the billboards (one digital I seen that last night & also owns one regular that is near Tehachapi going up this week) has provided one month free use of the billboards but they have to pay for the vinyl & ad. So maybe a digital you pay for the same? I’m not sure how digital ones work.
So the money is for a different company since the Lamar Advertising Company is offering digital billboards? IOW a separate billboard company entirely? Sorry, I'm just trying to get it straight.
https://www.turnto23.com/news/local...rothers-now-displayed-on-billboard-in-oildale


Lamar Advertising Co offers BOTH vinyl & digital billboards.

https://www.lamar.com/Bakersfield/Products
 
Hi,

Transcribing is very time consuming, i can testify to it haven't done hundreds of them. Accurate transcripts should always include, umm's, er's, stutters etc. These are often (if not always) missed from the text transcribed , (MSM are notorious for it), A missed pronoun, text bridge, temporal lacunae, etc, can have a significant impact if one is to analyse a statement. It has to be a raw and unadulterated statement.

My edit is case in point.

Before edit:

"It has to be raw and unadulterated statement."

After edit:

"It has to be a raw and unadulterated statement."


I have been practicing transcribing with this case. So far although very time consuming it is very interesting! I rather like doing it. :D
 
We know AP have not provided newer pics of Orrin,and Orson in spite the fact they have their phones back. Which JW herself claimed the whole reason they didn't have any newer pics is because LE had their phones. There is a new billboard with the same older pics. TW,and JW could at least provide a newer pic or two off said phone for the billboard. No?
Maybe there aren’t newer pictures because the boys have been gone a long time...MOO
 
I watched the whole thing. Pretty interesting stuff. Raised a lot of the same points I have personally and In my opinion
Yeah, I listened to the rest and there isn't anything new that hasn't been mentioned here. It's a good review for anyone who hasn't been following the case.

They continue to point out how the parents seem emotionally detached and draw attention to all the red flags.

They bring up the bio mom stating she thinks they are involved and focus on their response. They both say "that's understandable," which comes across as an admission of guilt. They point out that should not be the case. Why would they accept being accused of foul play if no foul play was involved? They seemed to accept it too easily.

They continued to give examples of distancing behavior, such as TW crossing his arms in front of him the entire time.

They said when TW replied, "it came to us (when asked if they were foster children) and they became our children," that he was dehumanizing the children in his mind. He said they named them, yet never mentions their names. He is objectifying the children. They point out that JW is standing right there and never interjects.

They reiterate that they seem more concerned about what people think than their missing children.

When they are asked to "tell us about the boys," TW again speaks in present tense, stating, "They do love to get rough with each other," " of course, they would love to go outside, but we weren't trying to go outside through the pandemic, the boys are rambunctious, "they're kids," TW adds. They are non committal and evasive.

They point out that they can't maintain a positive disposition for the boys for just a few minutes which implies abuse has been ongoing.

They also mention the chief and what a good job he's doing. He has not hesitated to bring in other organizations.

Imo
 
Yeah, I listened to the rest and there isn't anything new that hasn't been mentioned here. It's a good review for anyone who hasn't been following the case.

They continue to point out how the parents seem emotionally detached and draw attention to all the red flags.

They bring up the bio mom stating she thinks they are involved and focus on their response. They both say "that's understandable," which comes across as an admission of guilt. They point out that should not be the case. Why would they accept being accused of foul play if no foul play was involved? They seemed to accept it too easily.

They continued to give examples of distancing behavior, such as TW crossing his arms in front of him the entire time.

They said when TW replied, "it came to us (when asked if they were foster children) and they became our children," that he was dehumanizing the children in his mind. He said they named them, yet never mentions their names. He is objectifying the children. They point out that JW is standing right there and never interjects.

They reiterate that they seem more concerned about what people think than their missing children.

When they are asked to "tell us about the boys," TW again speaks in present tense, stating, "They do love to get rough with each other," " of course, they would love to go outside, but we weren't trying to go outside through the pandemic, the boys are rambunctious, "they're kids," TW adds. They are non committal and evasive.

They point out that they can't maintain a positive disposition for the boys for just a few minutes which implies abuse has been ongoing.

They also mention the chief and what a good job he's doing. He has not hesitated to bring in other organizations.

Imo
It's pretty hard to deny that it would seem many people are having trouble with the perceived credibility of, and statements made by the AP. I'm confident that LE is examining them carefully and will arrive at the appropriate conclusions.

In the interim, what other possibilities may we be overlooking since we are all so laser focused on the AP? Is it possible something other than AP direct involvement occurred, and if so, what?

Amateur opinion and speculation
 
It's pretty hard to deny that it would seem many people are having trouble with the perceived credibility of, and statements made by the AP. I'm confident that LE is examining them carefully and will arrive at the appropriate conclusions.

In the interim, what other possibilities may we be overlooking since we are all so laser focused on the AP? Is it possible something other than AP direct involvement occurred, and if so, what?

Amateur opinion and speculation
To be honest I just can’t think of anything else at this time that doesn’t somehow lead right back to them .
 
Yeah, I listened to the rest and there isn't anything new that hasn't been mentioned here. It's a good review for anyone who hasn't been following the case.

They continue to point out how the parents seem emotionally detached and draw attention to all the red flags.

They bring up the bio mom stating she thinks they are involved and focus on their response. They both say "that's understandable," which comes across as an admission of guilt. They point out that should not be the case. Why would they accept being accused of foul play if no foul play was involved? They seemed to accept it too easily.

They continued to give examples of distancing behavior, such as TW crossing his arms in front of him the entire time.

They said when TW replied, "it came to us (when asked if they were foster children) and they became our children," that he was dehumanizing the children in his mind. He said they named them, yet never mentions their names. He is objectifying the children. They point out that JW is standing right there and never interjects.

They reiterate that they seem more concerned about what people think than their missing children.

When they are asked to "tell us about the boys," TW again speaks in present tense, stating, "They do love to get rough with each other," " of course, they would love to go outside, but we weren't trying to go outside through the pandemic, the boys are rambunctious, "they're kids," TW adds. They are non committal and evasive.

They point out that they can't maintain a positive disposition for the boys for just a few minutes which implies abuse has been ongoing.

They also mention the chief and what a good job he's doing. He has not hesitated to bring in other organizations.

Imo
That was great !!
 
8 weeks . 8 weeks and no physical evidence ... how about a ton of circumstantial evidence? They know the boys didn’t disappear. It didn’t” play out “ like TW said . He didn’t see them , then walk back out and not see them.
Ton of questions :
Why Jaqueline did you not go outside screaming the boys names?
Why have you both not searched for the boys?
Why TW did you leave again when the police were there?
Why did you even search inside if there were outside ? Your wife was inside she would of heard them .
Why did your extended family IMMEDIATELY distance themselves from YOU ?

edited to add more :
Where are your friends speaking out on your behalf?
Where are the pictures of the boys that were on your tech?
Why are you so silent???

moo
 
8 weeks . 8 weeks and no physical evidence ... how about a ton of circumstantial evidence? They know the boys didn’t disappear. It didn’t” play out “ like TW said . He didn’t see them , then walk back out and not see them.
Ton of questions :
Why Jaqueline did you not go outside screaming the boys names?
Why have you both not searched for the boys?
Why TW did you leave again when the police were there?
Why did you even search inside if there were outside ? Your wife was inside she would of heard them .
Why did your extended family IMMEDIATELY distance themselves from YOU ?

edited to add more :
Where are your friends speaking out on your behalf?
Where are the pictures of the boys that were on your tech?
Why are you so silent???

moo
Very discouraging to hear they have no physical evidence. So I’m assuming they didn’t find any fingerprints, DNA, etc. of any “abductor(s)” anywhere outside the home. Even if the abductor(s) had on gloves, I would think there should have at least been footprints of the abductor(s) picked up somewhere in the backyard dirt.
I don’t believe the boys walked or ran out the gate either, their little footprints would have shown up walking/running toward the gate. Seems there is plenty of circumstantial evidence, but they can’t prove what happened to the boys with no bodies, no physical evidence.
In no body cases, they need to be able to prove to the DA/Court that the boys are deceased, so I’m afraid this could drag on for awhile, unfortunately.

All things considered including what the neighbors video surveillance showed, the Chief saying they don’t know how the boys got out of the backyard, the dogs not picking up the boys’ scent anywhere outside the home, really does seem that O & O were never out on the patio and/or in the backyard, I’m now leaning more towards something happening to the boys before the move to Cal City in September. If that is the case, they’ve had plenty of time to dispose of evidence.

IMHO
 
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Very discouraging to hear they have no physical evidence. So I’m assuming they didn’t find any fingerprints, DNA, etc. of any “abductor(s)” anywhere outside the home. Even if the abductor(s) had on gloves, I would think there should have at least been footprints of the abductor(s) picked up somewhere in the backyard dirt.
I don’t believe the boys walked or ran out the gate either, their little footprints would have shown up walking/running toward the gate. Seems there is plenty of circumstantial evidence, but they can’t prove what happened to the boys with no body, no physical evidence. In no body cases, they need to prove to the DA/Court that the boys are deceased.

All things considered including what the neighbors video surveillance showed, the Chief saying they don’t know how the boys got out of the backyard, the dogs not picking up the boys’ scent anywhere outside the home, really does seem that O & O were never in the backyard, I’m now leaning more towards something happening to the boys before the move to Cal City, and plenty of time to dispose of evidence.

IMHO
Yes, I’m thinking the exact same thing now and that is so scary . How sad is that , if true those poor boys were missing for months ... and nobody from the families alerted authorities? I don’t care if they were isolating from covid or not ... FaceTime ? Zoom ? I mean come on, if my mother has not seen my children in a month she is raising all h*ll!

moo
 
Very discouraging to hear they have no physical evidence. So I’m assuming they didn’t find any fingerprints, DNA, etc. of any “abductor(s)” anywhere outside the home. Even if the abductor(s) had on gloves, I would think there should have at least been footprints of the abductor(s) picked up somewhere in the backyard dirt.
I don’t believe the boys walked or ran out the gate either, their little footprints would have shown up walking/running toward the gate. Seems there is plenty of circumstantial evidence, but they can’t prove what happened to the boys with no bodies, no physical evidence.
In no body cases, they need to be able to prove to the DA/Court that the boys are deceased, so I’m afraid this could drag on for awhile.

All things considered including what the neighbors video surveillance showed, the Chief saying they don’t know how the boys got out of the backyard, the dogs not picking up the boys’ scent anywhere outside the home, really does seem that O & O were never in the backyard, I’m now leaning more towards something happening to the boys before the move to Cal City, and plenty of time to dispose of evidence.

IMHO
And my honest opinion , more than TW and JW know what happened . I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again... the only victims in this situation are the boys.

moo
 
And there you have it. ABC news has reached out several times to the adoptive parents, the last time through LE, and they do not wish to speak to the media. I doubt we'll hear from them again.

I'm glad they played the definitely definitely part of the interview. This time I watched JW's face and she closed her eyes and looked down each time she said the word definitely. "They definitely, I think...definitely were picked up, or something."

They sure aren't acting as if they think the boys are out there at all.
 
And there you have it. ABC news has reached out several times to the adoptive parents, the last time through LE, and they do not wish to speak to the media. I doubt we'll hear from them again.

I'm glad they played the definitely definitely part of the interview. This time I watched JW's face and she closed her eyes and looked down each time she said the word definitely. "They definitely, I think...definitely were picked up, or something."

They sure aren't acting as if they think the boys are out there at all.
No they are not at all. They are acting like searching is a waste of time. It's almost as if they know they will never be found where they are searching.

MOO
 
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