Thanks a lot, moderator - when I started writing my message on the last thread, it was still open. I went to post it, was told the thread was closed, and the message I had spent 20 minutes writing was lost! Now I'm too tired to try to rewrite it! Bah humbug!
When that happens, just hit the back button. The post as it was before you hit "post" should still be there. Then you just copy or cut inside the reply box and then transfer it to the new thread, where you paste it into a new reply. It always works for me.
Steely:
Max fell on the staircase on Monday 7/11. Rebecca and her younger sister were the only ones home (allegedly). Sister was upstairs showering and Rebecca was in the restroom downstairs. Max was without a pulse or respiration for 25-30 min. Rebecca was forbidden from going to the hospital to visit Max and was found hanging from a balcony, nude, hands and feet bound, tape residue on her legs, a blue t-shirt wrapped around her neck and in her mouth on 7/13 at 6:48 am. The boyfriend's brother found her and cut her down with a kitchen knife. She supposedly did all this herself, in the bedroom with the balcony. She wrote the note on the door to the bedroom (allegedly) with paint and a brush, cut the rope with two kitchen knives. Max was pronounced dead on 7/16 and his organs were donated. Rebecca's family has hired an attorney because they do not agree with the suicide ruling.
You can view parts of the media briefing and photos here:
http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/index.html
Don't have a good link for the full media briefing....sorry.
Here is a floor plan of the house:
http://www.trulia.com/property/photos/1039341000-1043-Ocean-Blvd-Coronado-CA-92118#item-1
Steely, other info from LE is that Rebecca had black paint on her body and hands, which matched the paint on the door, and that there were no other footprints in front of the railing where she went over, besides one boot matched to LE who went and looked over the railing.
It seems tape residue was found on the front of her shins, but we don't know from what. Bandaid? Shin splint taping? Being bound?
No drugs or alcohol was found in her system. LE claims she received a voicemail message right before her death, from someone telling her Max's prognosis was hopeless. However, the message was deleted. Her phone apparently showed a missed call and then that someone checked her voicemail. However, we don't have independent corroboration as to what any message contained. Could it have been an angry message from Jonah? An angry message from Dinah? A somber message from Jonah? Why was it deleted?
We also do not know what other messages, calls and/or voicemails were received or sent by her in the days after Max's accident, before Rebecca died.
There are reports from her family that blood was running down her leg when she was found, dead, but that LE stated she was not on her period.
The ropes seem to have been connected, from her ankles to her hands, but not exactly hog-tied. There is a live, recreation on the LE website of how a person similar in size to Rebecca could have tied her own hands behind her back. I watched it and did not see demonstration of how her feet were also bound.
Now I hear reports that there is evidence of contusions under her scalp?
A friend reportedly stated that Rebecca seemed depressed in January, losing weight and not exercising like she used to. There are no other, corroborating reports about this and her family contradicts such a report.
Apparently, although I have not seen the news report, some teens hanging out on a neighbor's roof, reported that they saw JS's teen daughter? leaving the house right after Max's accident. LE says only Rebecca and her sister were there when Max fell.
There were knives found upstairs near the bed where the rope used to hang her was attached to a bed. There was a knife found near her body, reportedly used by JS's brother to try to cut her down. I am not clear as to whether he succeeded or not. There are photos? of her body hanging and on the ground, with her body fuzzed out, that someone posted. I don't know if it is a recreation or actual crime scene photos.
Her DNA was found on a knife and the rope used to bind her. I have seen posts stating other DNA from an undetermined source was found on her shirt? but I can't find that in a news report.
The family says the black, block printed message was done with a left hand, as Rebecca's right hand print was found on the door next to it and the message was on one side of the door, I think. They claim it is not her writing while LE claims she signed paintings that way, IIRC.
Curiosjo, in post #895 from the last thread (page 36), linked three articles by a writer named Joel Siegfried. Siegfried posts in comments to this article:
http://www.examiner.com/news-analys...ahau-family-attorney-debunks-suicide-findings, that he wants the truth to come out and that he has more info that he cannot disclose but that makes the case even more troubling.
BTW, I am on the fence about Rebecca's death. I suppose it is plausible that she killed herself in a very bizarre manner out of rage if she was being blamed for Max's accident, or guilt or both, but I too, see too many unanswered questions. I wish Bremmner was not the attorney for the family. I do not respect her. She seems flighty and made ridiculously illogical statements in connection with casey anthony's case, although her statements in connection with this one seem good so far.
I would like to see a list of all the "facts" and rumors, clearly listed with sources for each, by someone who can present both sides in an unbiased manner. I added what I think I know to IWannaKnow's post, but I'd love to see all in bullet points with sources and links. I'm too lazy/busy to do that right now!
I don't see how a woman (even a guilt-ridden one) would commit suicide following such a tragedy. If she truly cared for Mr. Shacknai, wouldn't she want to be there for him in his greatest time of need? Help him through it and then deal with her feelings. Instead she supposedly compounded his grief and stress by ending her life in such a bizarre way. (Not that suicide is usually logical) Why would she add such misery to someone she loved, who needed her, if she never had a history of mental illness?
The entire thing from beginning to end makes NO sense, every detail is hinky and unexplained and I'm not buying that she did this to herself.
If she was seriously angry, if blame was being placed in her direction, and if she had become unbalanced due to the accident, her own grief and possibly other issues we are not aware of, it is very possible that she wanted to take her life, both to resolve her own feelings and to lash out at JS for blaming her, if he did. Suicides are sometimes vengeful.
If that was the case, her purported message on the door, "She saved him, can he save her?" could mean that she saved JS somehow, but taunts that even though she saved his life in some manner, maybe via her relationship with him (maybe he said that to her before, "You saved my life"), let him try to save her, after she jumped off a railing.
It could also mean, in that scenario, that she saved Max via CPR, helping get his pulse back, but since no one credits her and since they blame her for his condition, let him save her now, which obviously, he could not do.
In a murder scenario, to me it would mean, also sarcastically and angrily, that since she "saved" Max with her heroic CPR efforts, (yet he is essentially brain dead), let him save her from her own "fall" off a balcony.
I don't know what the heck happened. But I do know that money and power can breed some very strange, evil people. I'm prejudiced when it comes to extreme money and it's effects.
