CA - Rebecca Zahau Nalepa - suicide or murder? #10

[Stella5]

I remember during the PC hearing LE say that RZ's clothes were neatly folded in the guest room.

Snipped by me... I don't recall LE addressing her clothes being found. A few days ago I posted details on my brothers suicide and he had his clothes neatly folded on the bed. Maybe you're remembering that?!?

 

[jjenny]

Snipped by me... I don't recall LE addressing her clothes being found. A few days ago I posted details on my brothers suicide and he had his clothes neatly folded on the bed. Maybe you're remembering that?!?

I don't recall LE addressing it either. I've been wondering if they found them.

 

[SunnieRN]

Too bad we don't have a printed transcript of the PC. I think it would be very interesting and quite helpful, as we would be able to track the additional information that has come out since Friday, and any new revelations that are still to occur.

 

[SunnieRN]

I would also like to compare the answers given to reporters, with what we now know to be correct.

Is there a link to the complete PC? TIA

 

[Stella5]

I don't recall LE addressing it either. I've been wondering if they found them.

I would imagine since they lived there from Memorial Day through Labor Day she probably had clothes all over the place and LE either couldn't determine what she discarded that night or previously. JMO from reading the reports and seeing the pictures, it didn't look like cleanliness and orderliness were top priorities. The dirt on the stairway carpet alone is a major ick factor to me.

 

[HowLoveCanBe]

I would imagine since they lived there from Memorial Day through Labor Day she probably had clothes all over the place and LE either couldn't determine what she discarded that night or previously. JMO from reading the reports and seeing the pictures, it didn't look like cleanliness and orderliness were top priorities. The dirt on the stairway carpet alone is a major ick factor to me.

The AR does say the main house was very neat - maybe not exact words - but certainly not a mess.

 

[CalElliot]

This is totally speculation on my part and I could be totally way off.

I appreciate your speculation on knots as related to bondage, Japanese or otherwise. Seems as logical a direction to look at as knots related to boating.

The former would suggest Jonah Shacknai, the latter to Adam Shacknai.

I'm also starting wonder about a group of Twilight-crazed "teens" acting out under a full moon, though teenagers would probably be sloppier....

 

[Steely Dan]

IMO, RN & her sister stayed in the guest house on Monday night, could be any number of reasons why, given the chaotic events of the day. Then, on Tuesday, Adam came into town, and her sister left town, so she felt she had to stay in the mansion. Going back to that big house alone, encountering the site of Max's accident, must have been nearly overwhelming. Then, JS tried to call while she was on the phone with her sister, call went to voice mail so JS left the msg about Max's condition.

Do you have a link supporting they stayed in the guesthouse? If they did why wasn't it cleaned up when the sister left? Why were clothes left on the floor. I could see clothes in a dresser or closet that were forgotten but it seems odd they'd be on the floor. JMO

It would be useful to have a body diagram of RZ abrasions, cuts, contusions akin of the one LE did of Max. Why one of Max but not RZ?

It would be useful to have an illustration of Max falling over balcony onto chandelier that was height proportional.

That's an excellent question.

There could definitely be political repercussions over this fiasco. I believe I read that Sand Diego has the 3'rd largest LE agency in the State. But this just seems like bush league comportment by the various offices. They must be at least a little embarrassed by how this is unfolding. I suppose LE bigs figured, based on the real dearth of reporting during the last 6 or 7 weeks, that the matter would just die off after their declaring it dead. The weak presentation has set up LE for some headaches it looks like. Sheriff Gore touted during the election that he was the most competent and able to run a major department. Questionable at this point.

I think this guy might have a hard time getting reelected. Did JS contribute to his campaign?

IS IT REALLY POSSIBLE THAT THIS IS A COINCIDENT???


I ran the odd and mysterious sentence "SHE SAVED HIM CAN YOU SAVE HER?" which Rebecca Zahau alleged wrote on a door prior to her alleged suicide, through an anagram program, and the anagram that popped up was:


EVASIVE HUSH MONEY CHARADES





EVASIVE

1. tending or seeking to evade; avoiding the issue; not straightforward
2. avoiding or seeking to avoid trouble or difficulties: to take evasive action
3. hard to catch or obtain; elusive
4.Tending to avoid speaking openly or making revelations about oneself.
5.Directed towards avoidance or escape; evasive action.



Hush money - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

HUSH MONEY

Hush money is a slang term for a form of bribery, in which one person or party offers another an attractive sum of money or other enticement, in exchange for remaining silent about some illegal, stigmatic, or shameful behavior, action, or other fact about the person or party who has made the offer.[1]

The person or party who presents the hush money may be attempting to avoid criminal prosecution, a lawsuit (as sometimes in the case of an out-of-court settlement), a leak of information to the news media, or silence about a stigmatic issue within one's own community. The information being covered up may include illegal activity, such as drug dealing, or some personal secret, such as an extramarital affair. In some cases, a government agency may be involved in the offer of hush money in order to protect the agency's employees, politicians and their appointees, or a national government in its standing among other nations in the world.



Charades - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

CHARADES


Charades or charade is a word guessing game. In the form most played today, it is an acting game in which one player acts out a word or phrase, often by pantomiming similar-sounding words, and the other players guess the word or phrase. The idea is to use physical rather than verbal language to convey the meaning to another party. It is also sometimes called Activity, after the board game.

Though less commonly it was originally also used to indicate a riddle either in verse or prose, of which the listener must guess the meaning, often given syllable by syllable—see riddle. In France the word 'charade' still refers to this kind of linguistic riddle.

It's interesting but I'd think there would have been sheets of paper somewhere with practice on it. Unless she was able to come up with that in her own mind.

Sheriff’s officials said some of the information was not released during Friday’s news conference because there wasn’t enough time, and the medical examiner had to pick the most pertinent findings to discuss.

“We have full faith in our investigation and we stand by our findings,” sheriff’s homicide Lt. Larry Nesbit said Tuesday.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/sep/06/autopsy-report-reveals-new-details-coronado-mansio/

bbm

They claim there wasn't enough time????

That's gotta be the weakest excuse I've ever heard, along the lines of "the dog ate my homework".

Who schedules these things and why? Aren't they supposed to be scheduled for enough time? Was it the labor day weekend that made time short? Then schedule it for Tuesday.

After skimming the previous thread about the guesthouse I have some questions.

Who's clothes were on the floor?
Why did they leave them there?
What were they? Dress? Panties? Shirt? All of those?
Why the makeup wipes?
What was in the glass of clear liquid?

Let's say AS had an escort over that night and didn't want to admit that to the police. It appears she would have left naked and taken her makeup off before leaving.

If they were RN's then why were they there and why didn't she take her makeup and clothes off in the house? If she was weirded out by the house due to the previous death why did she go back in and not commit suicide somewhere else?

Here are some other thoughts on different subjects;

The phrase there were no drugs in her body is misleading. I think there were no routinely detectable drugs in her body. Since JS had inroads in the pharmaceutical industry he may know of stuff that doesn't show up in routine autopsy blood tests. I seem to recall a Forensic Files on the use of a drug that paralyzes somebody to the point of even stopping their breathing and it's difficult to detect. It's used in anesthesia and I used to hand it out to the residents when I worked at the hospital. It has to be used very carefully so it only causes paralysis without shutting down the vital organs during surgery. If she was given this drug and died because her lungs were paralyzed it might look like she choked to death after the staging. I believe it has to be injected but it wouldn't surprise me if a needle mark was missed on the autopsy.

I've heard here that AS passed a polygraph but I haven't seen a link for it. Also, if he believes she's responsible for her own death he could pass a lie detector test whether it was true or not.

AS being a tugboat operator and the way the hands were tied is a very weird coincidence.

The idea of mooring the rope to the bed is odd too. If it were me I would have tied the rope to the balcony itself. JMO

Why was the "suicide note" written in the third person?

What was AS's relationship with RN like?

Why wasn't anyone else's DNA on the rope?

I originally thought that the sunshine laws in Florida were a bit intrusive into police and SA investigations but now I think every state should have them. I'd love to see the tape of the interview with AS.

All of that is JMO

 

[HowLoveCanBe]

I never saw the floor plans of the house but I have been outside of it. The garages are directly at the back of the driveway and i think the main house is opposite the garages.Upon leaving the garage, does one have to go through the courtyard to the main house? If so, why would Rebecca leave her message on the interior hallway if a person would first see her body hanging in the courtyard? Not knowing this answer but if someone could clarify I would appreciate it.

This is speculation on my part - but I think she was being shuffled out of the house and Jonah's life - and was told to stay in the guest house. It's no coincidence that she jumped from the guest room and that she left her mark on the door there. She may also have been simply waiting in the guest room for a while before jumping and hoping that Jonah would find her in that time period. That's the only way she was going to be walking out of that room.

 

[jjenny]

I would imagine since they lived there from Memorial Day through Labor Day she probably had clothes all over the place and LE either couldn't determine what she discarded that night or previously. JMO from reading the reports and seeing the pictures, it didn't look like cleanliness and orderliness were top priorities. The dirt on the stairway carpet alone is a major ick factor to me.

Well I think it's a no brainer: if a naked woman is hanging from the balcony and female clothing is found in the room, I would expect LE to at least question where the clothing came from.

 

[MyBelle]

There could definitely be political repercussions over this fiasco. I believe I read that Sand Diego has the 3'rd largest LE agency in the State. But this just seems like bush league comportment by the various offices. They must be at least a little embarrassed by how this is unfolding. I suppose LE bigs figured, based on the real dearth of reporting during the last 6 or 7 weeks, that the matter would just die off after their declaring it dead. The weak presentation has set up LE for some headaches it looks like. Sheriff Gore touted during the election that he was the most competent and able to run a major department. Questionable at this point.

I think that LE are a bit surprised at the reaction. I'm surprised at how well-orchestrated it is and how identical the message points seem to be. I expect LE will launch an investigation into the agendas of those claiming only to want justice.

JMO

 

[SunnieRN]

I think that LE are a bit surprised at the reaction. I'm surprised at how well-orchestrated it is and how identical the message points seem to be. I expect LE will launch an investigation into the agendas of those claiming only to want justice.

JMO

I hope this occurs for all involved.

 

[Steely Dan]

I remember during the PC hearing LE say that RZ's clothes were neatly folded in the guest room. If her clothes were accounted for in the guest room, then they had no reason to question whose clothing was in the second bedroom of the guest house. Maybe AS had an overnight guest? I would imagine some kind of questioning would have been conducted over the clothing.

Perhaps the answers panned out and LE did not feel that information needed to be divulged. Just like so many other facts that were not divulged...

BBM

That might be the value of a PR firm. Asking the Sherrif why this or that needs to be divulged if they are ruling it a suicide?

Or Charlie Crews!

Ellery Queen!

The guy was there because his nephew was serious injured, in a coma, in ICU; and he has a 'friend' over......if so, I don't understand this family AT ALL.
Why wasn't he at the hospital lending his support to his brother (the reason he flew across the country).......or why was he "really" there???????

I'm sorry, I'm not being short with you, sdcali; I'm totally confused by this investigation and findings......

thanks to everyone for my Mom's birthday wishes....

it's time for me

fftobed:fftobed:fftobed:

score

Very good question, why was he there?

 

[MyBelle]

So, if they were this lacking in the investigation of Rebecca's death, what was missed in the investigation into Max's death?:banghead:

One thing that wasn't missed in Maxie's death is how he fell based on the evidence. LE got that right. He was propelled off the second floor.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Well I think it's a no brainer: if a naked woman is hanging from the balcony and female clothing is found in the room, I would expect LE to at least question where the clothing came from.

Question whom?

 

[SunnieRN]

Interesting point about the PR firm Steely. Kind of like pre damage control on steroids. Makes perfect sense in this scenario!!

With San Diego and JS having the same PR company, it's a no brainer.

 

[Steely Dan]

Question whom?

I think she means AS or just in general.

 

[Stella5]

Well I think it's a no brainer: if a naked woman is hanging from the balcony and female clothing is found in the room, I would expect LE to at least question where the clothing came from.

I would imagine they did, we just don't know. IMO those 19 pages are not the full and complete report. Most of the report was the autopsy, with a few narratives from LE. I'm sure we haven't seen all of them, nor have we seen any witness statements and there should be at least 3 of those.

 

[time]

The phrase there were no drugs in her body is misleading. I think there were no routinely detectable drugs in her body. Since JS had inroads in the pharmaceutical industry he may know of stuff that doesn't show up in routine autopsy blood tests. I seem to recall a Forensic Files on the use of a drug that paralyzes somebody to the point of even stopping their breathing and it's difficult to detect. It's used in anesthesia and I used to hand it out to the residents when I worked at the hospital. It has to be used very carefully so it only causes paralysis without shutting down the vital organs during surgery. If she was given this drug and died because her lungs were paralyzed it might look like she choked to death after the staging. I believe it has to be injected but it wouldn't surprise me if a needle mark was missed on the autopsy.
..<snipped>
All of that is JMO

I wondered about other drugs also. Now I am curious about the bleeding. Are th ere drugs that could have caused vaginal bleeding - of course, I doubt they would have been tested for in the standard fare

And, they can't tell the difference between a woman on her period and problems from and IUD?

 

[jjenny]

I would imagine they did, we just don't know. IMO those 19 pages are not the full and complete report. Most of the report was the autopsy, with a few narratives from LE. I'm sure we haven't seen all of them, nor have we seen any witness statements and there should be at least 3 of those.

Well if they did, I sure would like to know the answer.