CA - Rebecca Zahau Nalepa - suicide or murder? #10

[SunnieRN]

Question whom?

I would think that JS would have recognized if the clothes did or didn't belong to Rebecca and AS could have stated whether they were the clothes shewore to dinner that evening.

I think knowing whether they were even Rebecca's would have been important.

If no one could confirm or deny this, they were dirty and would have contained DNA. I think Rebecca being naked, would have constituted a reason for at least being interested.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Could someone post where I might find the autopsy report that this screen shot came from?

TIA.

 

[jjenny]

Could someone post where I might find the autopsy report that this screen shot came from?

TIA.

It's posted somewhere on the previous thread.

 

[MyBelle]

That's why I asked what kind of clothing was in the guest house. Was it pajama pants and a robe? Was it a nightgown and slippers? Or was it pants and a top?

If Rebecca had gone into the mansion, showered and changed, then gone to the guest house as some theorized, she might have been made to undress there, prior to going back into the mansion.

Just throwing out one possible scenario.

Do the clothes really matter? JS' daughter evidently left the house that morning, maybe it was her stuff and she expected somebody would clean up after her? Or it could have belonged to RN's sister. Or it could be RN's things. That broken chandelier would have left the carpet embedded with shards of glass, making the area pretty unsafe until carpet was replaced, thus the need for everyone to sleep at the guesthouse.

I still believe it was a suicide and the ME has provided pretty reasonable explanations.

JMO

 

[SunnieRN]

I wondered about other drugs also. Now I am curious about the bleeding.

And, they can't tell the difference between a woman on her period and problems from and IUD?

This made absolutely no sense to me at all. This tells me they didn't even try to figure out which it was. Of course that brings us to another point. How many women have committed suicide naked, while on their period? I bet I know the answer to this one. A big fat ZERO!!

 

[snapdragon2]

So, knots. Remember when Rebecca first passed away, her sister stated what a wonderful and loyal friend she was? She talked about how she was learning to swim, to do a triathalon with a friend. She didn't know how to swim.

Don't think she would have knowledge of nautical ties.

Do you have to be a swimmer to know how to do nautical ties?! I know how to swim, and I don't know how to do nautical ties, so I don't think there's a correlation between the two!

How do we know that she hadn't been thinking of suicide for a long time, or had thought of it in the past? She may have looked into knot-tying a long time before. I think people who commit suicide often think about it on and off for a long time - I don't think we can make an assumption that a suicide just comes out of the blue.

Here's an interesting article about suicide and Asian-Americans:

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1833971,00.html

Another thing: did it occur to anyone that she might have loved that little boy? Maybe it was devastating to her that he was going to die, beyond any feelings of guilt she might have had.

On another topic: I also stopped and thought about it when I read in the autopsy report that the noose was put over her hair. My first instinct is always to pull my long hair out from under anything, but I'm kind of neurotic about certain things...That did grab my attention, but then again, as someone else wrote, at that point it might not have been something she'd bother doing.

 

[SunnieRN]

Do the clothes really matter? JS' daughter evidently left the house that morning, maybe it was her stuff and she expected somebody would clean up after her? Or it could have belonged to RN's sister. Or it could be RN's things. That broken chandelier would have left the carpet embedded with shards of glass, making the area pretty unsafe until carpet was replaced, thus the need for everyone to sleep at the guesthouse.

I still believe it was a suicide and the ME has provided pretty reasonable explanations.

JMO

Yes it matters. For multiple reasons. It would place Rebecca in the guest house that night. It may speak to her state of mind or events that happened earlier in the night. Now you say that ES was there for sure that morning? I didn't know it had been confirmed.

 

[jjenny]

Do you have to be a swimmer to know how to do nautical ties?! I know how to swim, and I don't know how to do nautical ties, so I don't think there's a correlation between the two!

How do we know that she hadn't been thinking of suicide for a long time, or had thought of it in the past? She may have looked into knot-tying a long time before. I think people who commit suicide often think about it on and off for a long time - I don't think we can make an assumption that a suicide just comes out of the blue.

Here's an interesting article about suicide and Asian-Americans:

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1833971,00.html

Another thing: did it occur to anyone that she might have loved that little boy? Maybe it was devastating to her that he was going to die, beyond any feelings of guilt she might have had.

On another topic: I also stopped and thought about it when I read in the autopsy report that the noose was put over her hair. My first instinct is always to pull my long hair out from under anything, but I'm kind of neurotic about certain things...That did grab my attention, but then again, as someone else wrote, at that point it might not have been something she'd bother doing.

The lady who is an expert on suicides was on Dr. Drew today. You should read what she said about it.The MO of this supposed suicide does not appear to fit with someone feeling guilty/grief stricken. What's in the so-called suicide note also doesn't fit the idea that this is someone doing it out of guilt/grief.

 

[SunnieRN]

Do you have to be a swimmer to know how to do nautical ties?! I know how to swim, and I don't know how to do nautical ties, so I don't think there's a correlation between the two!

How do we know that she hadn't been thinking of suicide for a long time, or had thought of it in the past? She may have looked into knot-tying a long time before. I think people who commit suicide often think about it on and off for a long time - I don't think we can make an assumption that a suicide just comes out of the blue.

Here's an interesting article about suicide and Asian-Americans:

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1833971,00.html

Another thing: did it occur to anyone that she might have loved that little boy? Maybe it was devastating to her that he was going to die, beyond any feelings of guilt she might have had.

On another topic: I also stopped and thought about it when I read in the autopsy report that the noose was put over her hair. My first instinct is always to pull my long hair out from under anything, but I'm kind of neurotic about certain things...That did grab my attention, but then again, as someone else wrote, at that point it might not have been something she'd bother doing.

No, I do not think you have to be a swimmer to know how to tie nautical ties, but I think someone who was a swimmer/boater could most likely be more proficient at nautical ties.

 

[CalElliot]

While I'm thinking about it, the Paradise Valley Relay for Life GS page with "wicked stepmonster" reference has been deleted from the Net, though it still exists in cached search.

 

[HowLoveCanBe]

Interesting point about the PR firm Steely. Kind of like pre damage control on steroids. Makes perfect sense in this scenario!!

With San Diego and JS having the same PR company, it's a no brainer.

I also agree on this point. I think that the actions taken by Jonah leading up to Rebecca's suicide - will paint a very negative picture of him. I think he's embarrassed by the way she bound herself and doesn't want it to be more public than it is. He's obviously a man that strives for image and control - and these events were way beyond his super powers or his PR agency. He was afraid that Dina was going to make this a public affair by going after Rebecca. He thought that he could untie his chords to Rebecca and control her. It was too much for her. LE is protecting his privacy and this is creating confusion for everyone. He thanked LE for this by including his statement on LE's website. It seems to me that he should come clean in private with Rebecca's family and tell them exactly what happened from the very beginning. They want answers and they deserve answers. If it was a suicide as I believe it was be honest about how you treated her with her family.

 

[revampz]

I think the clothes matter alot.

This case has gone worldwide, here in Australia I have found it in two of our largest selling magazines in the last week.

I have been reading this since day one and there seems to be so much confusion, things not answered and mistakes, evidence omitted.

With max's death they have said there were only 2 others in the house RN & her 13 year old sister......we still dont know for sure if GS was actually there that morning and left just beforehand. I think the police should look into this for a start, flight records etc to confirm that she had been there, but left prior to the accident and if they were her clothes. (I can understand her staying in the guest house if the "issues" with the children was true)

But they have also come out and said that there was only RN and AS on the property at her time of death. Yet at the beginning this was ruled a suspicious death. If this is so then it was vital that they answer whose clothes they were. In fact I think this is very bad police work.

Also can someone please confirm for once and for all what the "suicide painting" said...

For days it was She saved him, can he save her and now on the report it is she saved him, can you save her.

Either once again this is really, really bad policework or the media had the wrong info.

Which one is it?????? They make think it is not important, but I think the you instead of the he changes the whole tone of the note and who it may be directed at.

 

[Plumeria5]

Just a thought...Would you take the time to neatly remove your makeup with makeup wipes if you are about to commit suicide? If not then if it were a suicide it seems it wasn't planned far in advance.

 

[MyBelle]

I would think that JS would have recognized if the clothes did or didn't belong to Rebecca and AS could have stated whether they were the clothes shewore to dinner that evening.

I think knowing whether they were even Rebecca's would have been important.

If no one could confirm or deny this, they were dirty and would have contained DNA. I think Rebecca being naked, would have constituted a reason for at least being interested.

I think LE does know the answer as to whom the clothes belonged to and that it is not important to the investigation. Clothes usually contain sizing info.

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Or they may be clothes from JS daughter or RN's sister that were never picked up due to the chaos after Max's injury.

I can also understand LE withholding information that isn't relevant to their findings.

JMO

 

[jjenny]

While that "scenario" might fit with a suicide, it does not fit with the story AS told LE.

 

[HowLoveCanBe]

I think the clothes matter alot.

This case has gone worldwide, here in Australia I have found it in two of our largest selling magazines in the last week.

I have been reading this since day one and there seems to be so much confusion, things not answered and mistakes, evidence omitted.

With max's death they have said there were only 2 others in the house RN & her 13 year old sister......we still dont know for sure if GS was actually there that morning and left just beforehand. I think the police should look into this for a start, flight records etc to confirm that she had been there, but left prior to the accident and if they were her clothes. (I can understand her staying in the guest house if the "issues" with the children was true)

But they have also come out and said that there was only RN and AS on the property at her time of death. Yet at the beginning this was ruled a suspicious death. If this is so then it was vital that they answer whose clothes they were. In fact I think this is very bad police work.

Also can someone please confirm for once and for all what the "suicide painting" said...

For days it was She saved him, can he save her and now on the report it is she saved him, can you save her.

Either once again this is really, really bad policework or the media had the wrong info.

Which one is it?????? They make think it is not important, but I think the you instead of the he changes the whole tone of the note and who it may be directed at.

Rebecca's sister said on TV tonight that the AR is wrong. The message was according to her 'She saved him Can he save her'

 

[Steely Dan]

Could someone post where I might find the autopsy report that this screen shot came from?

TIA.

Check post #969 in thread #9 on this topic.

Do the clothes really matter? JS' daughter evidently left the house that morning, maybe it was her stuff and she expected somebody would clean up after her? Or it could have belonged to RN's sister. Or it could be RN's things. That broken chandelier would have left the carpet embedded with shards of glass, making the area pretty unsafe until carpet was replaced, thus the need for everyone to sleep at the guesthouse.

I still believe it was a suicide and the ME has provided pretty reasonable explanations.

JMO

Yes, I think they matter A LOT. If she had been found clothed then maybe not as much, but since she was naked they are a huge red flag, IMO.

Do you have to be a swimmer to know how to do nautical ties?! I know how to swim, and I don't know how to do nautical ties, so I don't think there's a correlation between the two!

How do we know that she hadn't been thinking of suicide for a long time, or had thought of it in the past? She may have looked into knot-tying a long time before. I think people who commit suicide often think about it on and off for a long time - I don't think we can make an assumption that a suicide just comes out of the blue.

Here's an interesting article about suicide and Asian-Americans:

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1833971,00.html

Another thing: did it occur to anyone that she might have loved that little boy? Maybe it was devastating to her that he was going to die, beyond any feelings of guilt she might have had.

On another topic: I also stopped and thought about it when I read in the autopsy report that the noose was put over her hair. My first instinct is always to pull my long hair out from under anything, but I'm kind of neurotic about certain things...That did grab my attention, but then again, as someone else wrote, at that point it might not have been something she'd bother doing.

BBM

Things like that seem like second nature to me and aren't even really thought about.

 

[SunnieRN]

I think LE does know the answer as to whom the clothes belonged to and that it is not important to the investigation. Clothes usually contain sizing info.

They may very well be RN's clothes and the unmade bed was one she and AS both slept in. I can see a suicidal woman sleeping with her boyfriend's brother as one final insult. That scenario does fit with a suicide.

Or they may be clothes from JS daughter or RN's sister that were never picked up due to the chaos after Max's injury.

I can also understand LE withholding information that isn't relevant to their findings.

JMO

Then why list the contents of the two guest rooms of the guest house. They certainly didn't do that in the mansions bedrooms. I would say LE found the contents of those rooms to be of interest.

 

[MyBelle]

The lady who is an expert on suicides was on Dr. Drew today. You should read what she said about it.The MO of this supposed suicide does not appear to fit with someone feeling guilty/grief stricken. What's in the so-called suicide note also doesn't fit the idea that this is someone doing it out of guilt/grief.

I believe LE was being respectful when they suggested her suicide was triggered by grief. I think the message she left is clearly angry and is asking for eternal forgiveness.

Now that some of the facts are out, I think it is more likely a suicide triggered by rage at her boyfriend because he tossed her out of his life.
JMO

 

[MyBelle]

While that "scenario" might fit with a suicide, it does not fit with the story AS told LE.

I think it fits and AS did just as he said.

JMO