Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #22

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Sheriff Bosenko ruled that out as a false sighting:

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ed-captors-dumped-roadside.html#ixzz4x341GEOw

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So from the sheriff's quote, it sounds like he ruled it out because SP said she was somewhere else being held by two Latinas. So that's dependent on SP's veracity.

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[Pamela_Brewer]

I don't think we need to make out to much about this Catholic marriage deal. All you have to do is find a 'flexible' minister and whammo you have a wedding. How you want to get married is as much the individuals choice as the church's. So maybe they shopped around - I know my Mother in Law had to - cause she wanted her kids married in a Cath church even if the spouses weren't Catholic.

Or pay someone... I don't like it, but it happens. MOO

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[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Yup. It doesn't matter. If you were married by law, it doesn't make your marriage null and void simply because it wasn't Catholic.

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I think this may depend on how conservative or liberal an individual parish is. My sister's BFF was divorced and her second marriage took place in a Catholic church, they just wouldn't allow a full mass at the wedding.

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[FlossyMay]

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/mis...fornia-mother-sherri-papini-last-seen-n679321

This is supposedly what SP was wearing when she disappeared. As you can see, it has a pocket in the front. I don't know about y'all, but I would put my cell in that pocket if I needed my hands, not on the ground.

 

[Liadan]

My question is assuming one of the abductors was killed why release 2 photos?
The he/she no longer lives/so why would the FBI even post a photo looking for her/him?
Sherri said her captor was allegedly shot hence ceases to exsist. Why would she mention a warning shot in the air or the wall. IMO this person was dead and couldn't participate in her "release". Yet SP was alive with bruises and a shoulder length hair cut.
Did she have 3 weeks of root growth when found?

:crosseyed:
Did the kidnappers "do her roots" for her after they chopped off her hair into a shoulder length style?
GMAFB!
She is alive because her captor wanted to belittle her and had no intention of killing her. Possibly promising a Thanksgiving release. Some surface bruising. No broken bones other than her nose.
She was allowed showers, ??????
She came back half undressed ?????? according to a source and in gray sweatshirt and pants in another.
.MOO

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Great Observations to ponder!

 

[Jethro4WS]

Do we know for sure the VI is female? I don't know if that was ever revealed.

It should be obvious from the way they write about things.

 

[bears10]

I found the blog. She did state that they were getting married in the Catholic church. Her first marriage had to be anulled, then. While this isn't as difficult as it once was, it's still not easy, not certain, and not common. I'm pretty shocked, actually. I have many divorced friends who have not been allowed to remarry in the Catholic church. Only one out of dozens I know even attempted to get an annulment.

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Eh my best friend had hers annulled maybe 6-7 years ago and it wasn’t that big of a deal. Probably depends on the region and church you deal with.

 

[bears10]

These are basically the big 4 that make an annulment possible in the Church. (Note that it's easier to get an annulment because one of you doesn't want children than if one of you is an ax murderer. I'm Catholic, by the way, so not bashing. But I know the reality of trying to get an annulment in the Church.)

1-At least one partner didn’t fully & freely consent.
2-Someone wasn’t mature enough to understand the full extent of what they were doing.
3-There was never intent to be faithful.
4-One or both partners did not intend to be open to children.

I would say that the two easiest ways to get an annulment are to prove either coercion or one person's lack of desire to have children. Openness to children in a marriage is a requirement in the Catholic church, and is the reason birth control is not allowed. Openness to children is actually in the Catholic vows. If her previous husband did not want kids and she could prove that, that would result in an annulment. But the process is long and most people do not bother with it.

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She very well could have lied and not mentioned her previous marriage to the church her and KP got married in. It would not be the first time someone has done that.

Other than her not being a member of bethel, what does their religion have to do with anything?

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Re. Marriage/divorce....if the first marriage was not in the Catholic Church, then that divorce doesn’t mean anything in the church. It’s only if the couple is married in the Catholic Church and then divorce that there is an issue, I.e. the non church marriage “doesn’t count” if you have not been married in a Catholic service to begin with. The first marriage is not “blessed” by a priest, there has been no Catholic mass, receiving sacraments, etc. They would still have to do pre-Cana (or whatever the church is calling it these days), have the banns read, etc., it is their “first” Catholic wedding.

This is incorrect.

"Non-Catholics need an annulment before validly marrying a Catholic in the church."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-catholic-churchs-marriage-annulment-process

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[Deleted member 158085]

I don't think we need to make out to much about this Catholic marriage deal. All you have to do is find a 'flexible' minister and whammo you have a wedding. How you want to get married is as much the individuals choice as the church's. So maybe they shopped around - I know my Mother in Law had to - cause she wanted her kids married in a Cath church even if the spouses weren't Catholic.

I don't mean to make too much of the marriage deal, but this is not true, either, so I feel I have to set the record straight. You cannot shop around for a flexible priest who will perform a Catholic marriage. It does not happen. The Catholic church has a hierarchy and priests are held accountable ultimately in Rome. So what Rome says stands. A divorced person of any religion cannot marry in the Catholic church without an annulment. There is no flexibility on things like this in the Catholic church because marriage is a sacrament to them.

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[Deleted member 158085]

Eh my best friend had hers annulled maybe 6-7 years ago and it wasn’t that big of a deal. Probably depends on the region and church you deal with.

I did just read that Pope Francis has expedited the process. Prior to that, it was more difficult. Unlike with divorce, with an annulment, you have to get witness statements from others to back up your claims. This can be difficult to do, as it requires friends and family to get involved. And if one party resists the annulment, it's even more difficult.

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[DakotaMayi]

Hmm. That's interesting. It feels like that slides me over one side of the fence more.

Come join me! I've been sitting on the fence so long but I recently just fell to one side

 

[Bravo]

I wonder what Jackson means by releasing more after this weeks "events"
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article180824671.html

 

[Deleted member 158085]

The male DNA thing - did anyone else think that one of the sketches looked like a man? Could she have been confused by a higher pitched voice and small stature?

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[DakotaMayi]

I wonder what Jackson means by releasing more after this weeks "events"
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article180824671.html

Waiting for someone to react? Or maybe he just knew it would cause a storm. IDK.

 

[DakotaMayi]

The male DNA thing - did anyone else think that one of the sketches looked like a man? Could she have been confused by a higher pitched voice and small stature?

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Possibly. I think the other definitely looks like a man.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

I wonder what Jackson means by releasing more after this weeks "events"
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article180824671.html

My guess is there's an arrest coming up.

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[Steleheart]

The male DNA thing - did anyone else think that one of the sketches looked like a man? Could she have been confused by a higher pitched voice and small stature?

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For me it is as simple as the clothes. The gray sweatshirt and gray sweat pants weren't her own. They were not the clothes she went running in.
She certainly could have gotten DNA from 2 people just from the clothing. From both inside and outside - the DNA on her body could be transfer from the inside, and on the outside whatever male that woman was with any time prior.

JMO

 

[Gardener1850]

For me it is as simple as the clothes. The gray sweatshirt and gray sweat pants weren't her own. They were not the clothes she went running in.
She certainly could have gotten DNA from 2 people just from the clothing. From both inside and outside - the DNA on her body could be transfer from the inside, and on the outside whatever male that woman was with any time prior.

JMO

The Shasta County Sheriff’s Office has suggested the same theory:

Jackson says Papini had both male and DNA on her when she was found: the male DNA from the clothing she was wearing, and the female DNA taken from her body after she was taken to the hospital. The DNA sample did not produce matches to known offenders.
Jackson says Papini’s alleged female abductors gave her clothing to wear. Therefore, he says it’s possible “that the clothing that was provided to Sherri are clothes that belonged to somebody who was an acquaintance of the captors, and hopefully down the road, once we get these females identified, we will get the answers for that.”

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/sherri-papini-apos-account-abduction-151719568.html

 

[Gone Girl]

My guess is there's an arrest coming up.

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Holy cow!! An arrest? I was puzzled by the more info coming. I just hope innocent people who fit those descriptions are not targeted.