Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #23

[Cannonball3804]

As a refresher, here is what KP told ABC about the moments after she was dropped off and before she was found:

"“Sherri obviously has one free hand that still has some kind of, something like a hose clamp if you will, and then took obviously the bag off of her head,” Keith said. “She, at this point, has no idea where she's at, and gets up and basically tries to find help, runs to a house that didn't have any lights on, and didn't look what she said was very inviting, looked scary, and obviously if you could imagine her state of mind at this point.”

Keith continued, “There was a junkyard or some kind of yard or something like that that she tried to get into and a big dog started barking and scared her, and then she went and familiarized herself with where she was at by standing in the overpass and noticed I-5 symbols and she knew that I-5 North is where we live. Anything past our house, you're up in Mount Shasta area.”

Keith said Sherri saw lights and ran to another building. When she could not get into that building, Keith said, Sherri then ran to the freeway."

https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/sherri-papini-inside-california-moms-mysterious-disappearance-search/story%3fid=43930023

 

[MaryG12]

Nice... the S would be for Supermom, of course.

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I know huh.

I'd like to know who SP's PR person as soon as she "disappeared".

And who exactly suggested that all photos of her being circulated to MSM were in her wedding dress.

 

[natsound]

BBM;
Respectfully, the hose clamps were not on her ankles, they were on her wrists.

Looking at what LE's actual words are, in this recording, the dispatcher says ;


The audio is @ 0.20 - Mom Found ‘Heavily Battered’ After 3-Week Disappearance

Do you believe this over what Sergeant Jackson is now saying, about the clamps being on her ankles? It's confusing because officers on the scanner gave one version, and now Jackson is giving another. I tend to believe the latter, because it makes more sense to have it wrong originally then correct the record later, as opposed to having it right originally then giving false factual information later. What are your thoughts?

Beating a dead horse, but scanner officers also said she was chained to something, which we now know cannot possibly be true, as we've seen the surveillance video.

 

[charminglane]

I don't think LE found a junk yard.
I don't think they found a big barking dog anywhere near there, either.

 

[Cannonball3804]

Do you believe this over what Sergeant Jackson is now saying, about the clamps being on her ankles? It's confusing because officers on the scanner gave one version, and now Jackson is giving another. I tend to believe the latter, because it makes more sense to have it wrong originally then correct the record later, as opposed to having it right originally then giving false factual information later. What are your thoughts?

Beating a dead horse, but scanner officers also said she was chained to something, which we now know cannot possibly be true, as we've seen the surveillance video.

I think without further clarification from LE in a direct quote, it's going to be really difficult to sort out the truth of how she was found. In my previous post you have KP referring to a clamp on at last one wrist - but he got all of his info second-hand and didn't see any of the restraints himself. So maybe he got it wrong in the re-telling, and all that was on her wrist was the zip-tie?

On the dispatch audio, you may have one officer relaying info to another officer, and then that second officer is who we hear speaking to dispatch, perhaps. Very easy for them to get some things wrong. Like maybe the first officer says "she was chained to something" and the second officer repeats it as "she's chained to something."

But all this is conjecture. I'm curious why the Shasta press release was so cagey about keeping the restraint info confidential, even though officials who are authorized to speak have already told us quite a bit. It makes me think that there is more about the restraints than we know.

 

[monkey222]

When will the public be warned that there are two masked bandana women kidnapping and branding out there? Just sayin'.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Do you believe this over what Sergeant Jackson is now saying, about the clamps being on her ankles? It's confusing because officers on the scanner gave one version, and now Jackson is giving another. I tend to believe the latter, because it makes more sense to have it wrong originally then correct the record later, as opposed to having it right originally then giving false factual information later. What are your thoughts?

Beating a dead horse, but scanner officers also said she was chained to something, which we now know cannot possibly be true, as we've seen the surveillance video.

Having hose clamps around wrists doesn't preclude there being hose clamps also around ankles. Also it is possible she was chained to something as well when she was on the freeway as we don't know what happened between being at JW and going on the freeway. The video itself actually shows how it could be done as she carried a bag, which prior to going on the freeway and flagging people down people she could have taken out hose clamps from the bag and put them on her wrists and ankles as well as chaining herself to something else. There was no reason for her to carry that bag with her after she allegedly got it off her head, but one explanation would be that she was carrying the bag because it contained items for staging - such as hose clamps - for when she appeared in front of dozens of people on the freeway. Being chained to something else when she was found would also explained LE saying they're still keeping stuff confidential about her restraints.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

When will the public be warned that there are two masked bandana women kidnapping and branding out there? Just sayin'.

As soon as two masked Latina women kidnap and brand someone! [emoji6]

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[DakotaMayi]

As soon as two masked Latina women kidnap and brand someone! [emoji6]

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:lol:

 

[natsound]

I think without further clarification from LE in a direct quote, it's going to be really difficult to sort out the truth of how she was found. In my previous post you have KP referring to a clamp on at last one wrist - but he got all of his info second-hand and didn't see any of the restraints himself. So maybe he got it wrong in the re-telling, and all that was on her wrist was the zip-tie?

On the dispatch audio, you may have one officer relaying info to another officer, and then that second officer is who we hear speaking to dispatch, perhaps. Very easy for them to get some things wrong. Like maybe the first officer says "she was chained to something" and the second officer repeats it as "she's chained to something."

But all this is conjecture. I'm curious why the Shasta press release was so cagey about keeping the restraint info confidential, even though officials who are authorized to speak have already told us quite a bit. It makes me think that there is more about the restraints than we know.

For the record, there is scanner audio where an officer refers to hose clamps on her wrists. Just to make that clear. It wasn't just KP saying it. But, I believe the mistake about the clamps was made one year ago, not now. I could be wrong.

 

[natsound]

As soon as two masked Latina women kidnap and brand someone! [emoji6]

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**mic drop**

 

[Gardener1850]

What is the significance of the discussion about the distance? What difference does it make?

I think it makes a difference because people are calling into question Sherri's account of how she was released and where. And the dispatch audio does not match up with what SCSO said about where she was located. It is technically possible for both the CHP dispatch audio and SCSO to be correct, but only if you ignore the part about her being on foot after she ran from the church. As I said in a post above (#212), IF the dispatch and SCSO are both correct and SP was located at the interchange South of the one near the church (the one that would actually be South of Yolo), THEN there is a big problem with the story. It would mean that SP somehow traveled 1.5 miles in only 7 minutes. That's only possible if she had a vehicle to transport her down the road.

I think it is most likely the dispatch was incorrect about the interchange where she was located (EMS would have just continued 1 mile north on I-5 until they found her) and the SCSO description updates that info to try to make it clearer. But yesterday I finally saw why people are arguing so passionately about the distance and the location where she was found. I didn't get it before. I see the issue now and can see a theory that explains it all. Here is what I was hinting at in my previous post:

Maybe whomever held her and beat her up for 22 days was still hanging around after dropping her off. Maybe they dropped her off within running distance of the church on purpose thinking this would make a great story-- "Supermom Found at Church on Thanksgiving". She runs to the church (as she is seen doing on the video) and it is actually dark and empty, no help there. No one to "discover" her. So maybe she runs back toward the road and the vehicle that dropped her off is still there waiting to see if SP got found. Person in vehicle takes her down the back road that runs parallel to the Interstate (Cacheville Rd) looking for another place to drop her off. But there is nothing else along that road. So maybe they decide to drop her at the next interchange and let her out near there to flag down someone on I-5. Sherri is immediately found on the northbound on ramp of I-5 and South of Yolo. Dispatch calls it in and the SCSO press release is still technically correct: https://www.co.shasta.ca.us/index/sheriff_index/press_releases.aspx

Now, although I can see this as a possibility, I think it is unlikely. For one thing, I don't think LE is stupid. They would have figured this out right after she was found. It would mean they either figured it out and didn't challenge her on it for almost a year or they didn't put it all together for almost a year of investigating and talking to SP on a weekly basis. And then LE decided to release this video with the info that she was found 7 minutes after running to the church as some sort of message. People who think SCSO is playing games and "sending messages" to the Papinis with their press releases might say LE did that to make them realize what they know-- that it's not possible for her to have run that far in 7 minutes. But which scenario is more likely? That SCSO is playing games with their wording of the press release OR that the dispatch operator (who was not on the scene but was relaying info from those who were) was incorrect about exactly where SP was located? I think the later, more detailed info, given by SCSO is more likely to be correct. I think it is MORE likely she was on foot for those 7 minutes and was located at the I-5 interchange near the church (technically not south of Yolo but still in Yolo/near Yolo). And it makes sense that dispatch may have been off on this detail, IMO. People driving on I-5 would have been the first source of information for where they were located when they called in about Sherri. The callers driving may have last seen signs for Yolo and figured they were somewhere South of Yolo. Although, technically, when we look at a map the interchange near the church it is not geographically South of Yolo, I believe that saying that location was South of Yolo could have made sense to someone driving on I-5 and it did not impede CHP and EMS from finding her. All JMO.

Despite all this, I remain :fence: as to what happened prior so SP getting dropped off.
Sorry for the :worms:.

Just my :twocents:.

 

[sassyblue]

There are numbers and letters available in kits for wood branding.

https://www.save-on-crafts.com/hotstamps1.html

These are only 1/4" tall: https://www.walnuthollow.com/mini-hotstamps-alphabet-set-lowercase/

It appears that they are even available at Walmart.

For some reason when I heard she was branded my mind jumped to the classic novel "The Scarlet Letter" even though the adulterous woman in the novel only had to wear the letter "A" on her clothing and wasn't permanently branded. That novel was all about sin, guilt, shame and humiliation. Sort of like SP's experience. This kidnapping seems so personal to her. Someone was punishing her and it doesn't seem random.

IMO of course.

 

[margarita25]

Question, for those of you who think her story is BS, what do you think reaaaally happened? I know there are many threads where this has been discussed, hard to go through so many posts, tia.

 

[Russian Blue]

Thanks! I've seen burns from curling irons. So many objects in a house that could make a low quality brand!
I had considered this brand was likely done with a metal coat hanger bent into a shape and then unevenly heated. I wish they would release an image of the brand. I'm sure they are going over it with their own known gang and HT marks etc but they can't know every mark for every gang or HT ring. Fresh eyes and the WORLD taking a look could bring in some really important leads, esp if SP wasn't the only victim...

JMO

I don't know who much we would glean since LE needed "special filters" and lighting to examine it.

 

[snowleopard]

Hi margarita, I think that is the $64,000 question. To me the preponderance of the evidence points to....nothing. I don't even think it points all that clearly to the 'h' word. I don't understand how you can be captive with people for 3 weeks and not figure out why they abducted you, so the why of this case is my biggest issue. I'm leaning more toward the idea that some 3rd party, not the P's, concocted this for a business or political agenda and then abandoned it after too many people cried foul. I think that best fits the biggest chunk of clues in this case, but it's at 40% for me. On a personal note, do you happen to live near the Cheyenne Mountain Zoo? I ask because my son and I visited there in '15 on a cross country trip, and they're known for giraffes.

 

[Russian Blue]

I don't think LE found a junk yard.
I don't think they found a big barking dog anywhere near there, either.

I have wondered about the junkyard with the barking dogs too! Where is this on the map? Or did she still have the bag over her head when she found that.

 

[cvaldez1975]

I know huh.

I'd like to know who SP's PR person as soon as she "disappeared".

And who exactly suggested that all photos of her being circulated to MSM were in her wedding dress.

What has been found out? I can't follow this case, it moves too fast. What's the run down


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[Gardener1850]

I know huh.

I'd like to know who SP's PR person as soon as she "disappeared".

And who exactly suggested that all photos of her being circulated to MSM were in her wedding dress.

The pictures of Sherri in her wedding dress were on the wedding photographer's blog. No one had to distribute them to the media. The media found them and used them. Other more recent pictures were taken from the family's facebook pages/other social media.

 

[margarita25]

Hi margarita, I think that is the $64,000 question. To me the preponderance of the evidence points to....nothing. I don't even think it points all that clearly to the 'h' word. I don't understand how you can be captive with people for 3 weeks and not figure out why they abducted you, so the why of this case is my biggest issue. I'm leaning more toward the idea that some 3rd party, not the P's, concocted this for a business or political agenda and then abandoned it after too many people cried foul. I think that best fits the biggest chunk of clues in this case, but it's at 40% for me. On a personal note, do you happen to live near the Cheyenne Mountain Zoo? I ask because my son and I visited there in '15 on a cross country trip, and they're known for giraffes.

(Hi snowleopard, thanks for the response! This baby was born in the Denver Zoo. His name is Dobby :heart: . He has had some health problems since his birth in February, but I think he's doing better now:

http://www.denverpost.com/2017/03/01/denver-zoo-baby-giraffe-dobby-born/
http://kdvr.com/2017/04/12/see-dobby-run-denver-zoos-baby-giraffe-is-making-great-strides/ )


(Re: Cheyenne, "Dobby underwent a plasma transfusion to help boost his immune system and to fight infections. The transfusion was made possible by a donation from the Cheyenne Mountain Zoo.")