Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #23

[snowleopard]

Cool...I'm going to look up Dobby! We had the Denver zoo on our list, but didn't have the time. If you like giraffes, you'd really enjoy Cheyenne.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Question, for those of you who think her story is BS, what do you think reaaaally happened? I know there are many threads where this has been discussed, hard to go through so many posts, tia.

Either a sex binge or drug binge or both. We know she was arranging a visit with MM, it's not a stretch to think she had a backup or two. I think she didn't realize the amount of publicity she would get and it took her a bit to figure out how to go back while saving face.

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[bluesneakers]

Either a sex binge or drug binge or both. We know she was arranging a visit with MM, it's not a stretch to think she had a backup or two. I think she didn't realize the amount of publicity she would get and it took her a bit to figure out how to go back while saving face.

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I think the amount of attention her case got was a surprise to someone, and I don't think anyone predicted CG would step in and turn it into an even bigger circus. A lot of people go missing for a day or two, or even a week, and we get a few pictures, a report from LE and one or two MSM articles. Then they're located or found safe and that's the end of it. But this escalated quickly, almost immediately, and after it got national attention plans had to be changed.

 

[gitana1]

I had no idea something lime this could be ordered. It is inexpensive too!
I think that releasing the photo (or drawing) of the "brand"may be what cracks the case.
I learn something new every day!
https://goo.gl/images/LkojAK

Moo
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I found a bunch. https://www.etsy.com/listing/192018...MIme79xJq31wIVyB2BCh3FAQ7vEAQYASABEgI73fD_BwE

http://m.enasco.com//product/C23584N

Jusr Google "branding irons".

 

[Midge Montana]

Interesting that one of the people KP names as being on his "A-team" is Sean Ditty, an investigator who specializes in, among other things, surveillance and cheating spouse investigations.
His website gives an interesting photo series of examples of his work:
http://www.seandittyinvestigations.com/services.html

 

[Stripehaven]

Heck, for branding, you could just use an old-timey wood-burning kit. I still have the one from my childhood. I imagine they're still available to hobbyists, if not children like they were when I was a kid.

 

[gitana1]

As a refresher, here is what KP told ABC about the moments after she was dropped off and before she was found:

"“Sherri obviously has one free hand that still has some kind of, something like a hose clamp if you will, and then took obviously the bag off of her head,” Keith said. “She, at this point, has no idea where she's at, and gets up and basically tries to find help, runs to a house that didn't have any lights on, and didn't look what she said was very inviting, looked scary, and obviously if you could imagine her state of mind at this point.”

Keith continued, “There was a junkyard or some kind of yard or something like that that she tried to get into and a big dog started barking and scared her, and then she went and familiarized herself with where she was at by standing in the overpass and noticed I-5 symbols and she knew that I-5 North is where we live. Anything past our house, you're up in Mount Shasta area.”

Keith said Sherri saw lights and ran to another building. When she could not get into that building, Keith said, Sherri then ran to the freeway."

https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews....erious-disappearance-search/story?id=43930023

Can we tell from maps whether there is a house nearby the area and a junkyard type place?

In any event, if this is a hoax why would she make up places that clearly aren't there?

Having hose clamps around wrists doesn't preclude there being hose clamps also around ankles. Also it is possible she was chained to something as well when she was on the freeway as we don't know what happened between being at JW and going on the freeway. The video itself actually shows how it could be done as she carried a bag, which prior to going on the freeway and flagging people down people she could have taken out hose clamps from the bag and put them on her wrists and ankles as well as chaining herself to something else. There was no reason for her to carry that bag with her after she allegedly got it off her head, but one explanation would be that she was carrying the bag because it contained items for staging - such as hose clamps - for when she appeared in front of dozens of people on the freeway. Being chained to something else when she was found would also explained LE saying they're still keeping stuff confidential about her restraints.

But why would she keep the bag with her after putting restraints on herself? And she had to get there somehow. Why wouldn't she have been able to do all that prior to leaving the vehicle? Wouldn't her accomplice help her?

I think this case stinks. But I am trying to apply logic to all sides. I don't want to take a position and then bend facts to make them fit the position. I'm trying to figure out how the facts could fit any given scenario.

I think it makes a difference because people are calling into question Sherri's account of how she was released and where. And the dispatch audio does not match up with what SCSO said about where she was located. It is technically possible for both the CHP dispatch audio and SCSO to be correct, but only if you ignore the part about her being on foot after she ran from the church. As I said in a post above (#212), IF the dispatch and SCSO are both correct and SP was located at the interchange South of the one near the church (the one that would actually be South of Yolo), THEN there is a big problem with the story. It would mean that SP somehow traveled 1.5 miles in only 7 minutes. That's only possible if she had a vehicle to transport her down the road.

I think it is most likely the dispatch was incorrect about the interchange where she was located (EMS would have just continued 1 mile north on I-5 until they found her) and the SCSO description updates that info to try to make it clearer. But yesterday I finally saw why people are arguing so passionately about the distance and the location where she was found. I didn't get it before. I see the issue now and can see a theory that explains it all. Here is what I was hinting at in my previous post:

Maybe whomever held her and beat her up for 22 days was still hanging around after dropping her off. Maybe they dropped her off within running distance of the church on purpose thinking this would make a great story-- "Supermom Found at Church on Thanksgiving". She runs to the church (as she is seen doing on the video) and it is actually dark and empty, no help there. No one to "discover" her. So maybe she runs back toward the road and the vehicle that dropped her off is still there waiting to see if SP got found. Person in vehicle takes her down the back road that runs parallel to the Interstate (Cacheville Rd) looking for another place to drop her off. But there is nothing else along that road. So maybe they decide to drop her at the next interchange and let her out near there to flag down someone on I-5. Sherri is immediately found on the northbound on ramp of I-5 and South of Yolo. Dispatch calls it in and the SCSO press release is still technically correct: https://www.co.shasta.ca.us/index/sheriff_index/press_releases.aspx

Now, although I can see this as a possibility, I think it is unlikely. For one thing, I don't think LE is stupid. They would have figured this out right after she was found. It would mean they either figured it out and didn't challenge her on it for almost a year or they didn't put it all together for almost a year of investigating and talking to SP on a weekly basis. And then LE decided to release this video with the info that she was found 7 minutes after running to the church as some sort of message. People who think SCSO is playing games and "sending messages" to the Papinis with their press releases might say LE did that to make them realize what they know-- that it's not possible for her to have run that far in 7 minutes. But which scenario is more likely? That SCSO is playing games with their wording of the press release OR that the dispatch operator (who was not on the scene but was relaying info from those who were) was incorrect about exactly where SP was located? I think the later, more detailed info, given by SCSO is more likely to be correct. I think it is MORE likely she was on foot for those 7 minutes and was located at the I-5 interchange near the church (technically not south of Yolo but still in Yolo/near Yolo). And it makes sense that dispatch may have been off on this detail, IMO. People driving on I-5 would have been the first source of information for where they were located when they called in about Sherri. The callers driving may have last seen signs for Yolo and figured they were somewhere South of Yolo. Although, technically, when we look at a map the interchange near the church it is not geographically South of Yolo, I believe that saying that location was South of Yolo could have made sense to someone driving on I-5 and it did not impede CHP and EMS from finding her. All JMO.

Despite all this, I remain :fence: as to what happened prior so SP getting dropped off.
Sorry for the :worms:.

Just my :twocents:.

Thank you very much for that info. I am hideous at math. The worst. So all the discussion of distance made no sense. Now I get it.

I think there is no way a kidnapper would hang around after releasing her, then grab her again and transport her down the road. I also don't think two masked, Spanish speaking Latina kidnappers would care about staging a Thanksgiving miracle at a church.

I'm with you though in that the dispatch was probably simply wrong. Happens all the time.

The pictures of Sherri in her wedding dress were on the wedding photographer's blog. No one had to distribute them to the media. The media found them and used them. Other more recent pictures were taken from the family's facebook pages/other social media.

Yeah. Let's be real. The MEDIA is who chose those photos. And likely for a reason. They create an impression. Of a person who is into appearances. A person or couple into the dramatic.

I actually think SP looks sinister in some of the photos. I know that may seem cruel to say. So I'll temper that by admitting she does look beautiful in others.

 

[Bravo]

Thanks Gitana for saying that. I too was disturbed for lack of better words with many of her pics

 

[MarisaS1985]

I don't know who much we would glean since LE needed "special filters" and lighting to examine it.

We may not get anything from it, but if there is another victim out there who hasn't come forward out of fear, or someone has seen a very similar brand on someone they know, it could bring it to light. Nowadays new 'trends" seem to pop up almost daily and go away just as fast. It wasn't that long ago that branding was the cool body modification to do.

I suspect the special filters and different light sources are to try and see parts that didn't scar visibly to the naked eye. They could also be looking to see if there are any trace elements that were pressed in and became one with the scar as it healed.

Whatever the case, I feel like on a global level there are plenty of markings that are likely not documented widely here and are very common somewhere else. It may be a long shot, but if they can't read it after a year and they believe it to be some sort of message, then what can it hurt to release their best images?

Even IF SP did it to herself (which I honestly don't think she did), its lettering or symbols that mean SOMETHING to her or her family or friends and for what we know, none of them may have ever seen it either.

JMO

 

[Rayemonde]

I don't know who much we would glean since LE needed "special filters" and lighting to examine it.

Maybe it isn't very clear because it's quite a superficial burn that healed quickly rather than a severe burn leaving clear scars that will last a lifetime.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

I think the amount of attention her case got was a surprise to someone, and I don't think anyone predicted CG would step in and turn it into an even bigger circus. A lot of people go missing for a day or two, or even a week, and we get a few pictures, a report from LE and one or two MSM articles. Then they're located or found safe and that's the end of it. But this escalated quickly, almost immediately, and after it got national attention plans had to be changed.

Yes! Agree about CG... I think he took advantage of what was, IMO, rather obvious from the beginning. He figured it was voluntary and that she would show up and he could take credit.

I also would not be surprised if we eventually find out she had taken off on occasion before, and this time KP got ticked and reported her missing.

Really, the first thing he does is "find my phone"? That, IMO, says everything right there.

[And, yes, later he claimed he called her first, before using the app, but that's not what he said in the 911 call.]

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[SpanishInquisition]

Now, although I can see this as a possibility, I think it is unlikely. For one thing, I don't think LE is stupid. They would have figured this out right after she was found. It would mean they either figured it out and didn't challenge her on it for almost a year or they didn't put it all together for almost a year of investigating and talking to SP on a weekly basis. And then LE decided to release this video with the info that she was found 7 minutes after running to the church as some sort of message. People who think SCSO is playing games and "sending messages" to the Papinis with their press releases might say LE did that to make them realize what they know-- that it's not possible for her to have run that far in 7 minutes. But which scenario is more likely? That SCSO is playing games with their wording of the press release OR that the dispatch operator (who was not on the scene but was relaying info from those who were) was incorrect about exactly where SP was located? I think the later, more detailed info, given by SCSO is more likely to be correct. I think it is MORE likely she was on foot for those 7 minutes and was located at the I-5 interchange near the church (technically not south of Yolo but still in Yolo/near Yolo). And it makes sense that dispatch may have been off on this detail, IMO. People driving on I-5 would have been the first source of information for where they were located when they called in about Sherri. The callers driving may have last seen signs for Yolo and figured they were somewhere South of Yolo. Although, technically, when we look at a map the interchange near the church it is not geographically South of Yolo, I believe that saying that location was South of Yolo could have made sense to someone driving on I-5 and it did not impede CHP and EMS from finding her. All JMO

South of Yolo was actually the revised location provided after the CHP was on scene rather than the initial location given by the caller. It's stated at about 2:45 into the edited dispatch recording:
https://soundcloud.com/user-941170222/finding-sherri-papini-yolo-county-sheriffs-dispatch
Also I've taken Jackson's comments saying JW was 50 yards away from the freeway, not that SP was found 50 yards away from JW. Interestingly, at about 7:00 mark and for much of the remainder of the edited recording it sounds like they're saying they're with a witness at the corner of 97F/17 (basically by the drilling company on the Google Map). It would be curious if this was someone who pulled off the freeway subsequently and was a witness to seeing SP on the freeway or if someone was an eyewitness to SP running around. Potentially she could have used the Cacheville/18 road entrance onto the freeway (which would be "just south of Yolo") and then someone pulled off the freeway at the next exit for the 97F/17 witness.

 

[Rayemonde]

Either a sex binge or drug binge or both. We know she was arranging a visit with MM, it's not a stretch to think she had a backup or two. I think she didn't realize the amount of publicity she would get and it took her a bit to figure out how to go back while saving face.

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I find it hard to believe that KP would go along with it all so willingly in that case, though... Would he really have given that dramatic interview after her return, gushing about how wonderful his wife is and describing her rocking a blanket to sleep, if he knew she'd simply ran away to enjoy some pleasures of the flesh without him? And surely he would have known, or had a good idea, of what had actually happened rather than genuinely believing the kidnapping story, even after SP's return.

 

[JaimeInLA]

Think this is my 1st time commenting on this case, but been reading for a long time!

Yes, it's quite easy to fully restraint yourself, including rendering yourself completely immobile, and you don't need anything fancy. You have probably seen cases (often times stars) where they die from something self-inflicted and "kinky".

If I recall correctly, they said she was not "cut" but had "burns" which says to me the brand is a burn and not something carved into her. Brands that are burned into someone, often heal very oddly and can partially scar or not scar at all in some spots. If picked at or an ointment is used the skin is less likely to bubble up and such. People who get brands done as body modifications often struggle with even healing. I BELIEVE that Caucasian skin leaves less of a scar then people who are darker. Unless she also had burns on her hands I cannot imagine HOW she would have burned her own shoulder, which is just one of the reasons why I don't feel this is a hoax.

The hose clamps on her ankles would have been quite tight as they were for "compliance". This generally means they are tightened to the point that a person is pretty much forced to tip toe as the Achilles tendon is pushed in. I have no clue how long she had these on for or how tight they were, but they would have definitely cut into her skin and depending on the time would have probably left some scars and raw skin under them, especially after adrenaline kicked in and she was free to run. It's so hard to tell if she is running on flat feet or tip toed, but at that point if survival was the only thing on her mind, that pain wouldn't have stopped her from running. (You see women run in HIGH heels all the time).

All JMO

I can think of several ways to burn your own shoulder. Think of some sort of device like a curling iron. It would be very easy as long as you had a long handle that did not heat up. Also, you could heat up something like a branding iron, place it on a stationary object like a high dresser, and just walk backwards into it.

 

[Gardener1850]

South of Yolo was actually the revised location provided after the CHP was on scene rather than the initial location given by the caller. It's stated at about 2:45 into the edited dispatch recording:
https://soundcloud.com/user-941170222/finding-sherri-papini-yolo-county-sheriffs-dispatch
Also I've taken Jackson's comments saying JW was 50 yards away from the freeway, not that SP was found 50 yards away from JW. Interestingly, at about 7:00 mark and for much of the remainder of the edited recording it sounds like they're saying they're with a witness at the corner of 97F/17 (basically by the drilling company on the Google Map). It would be curious if this was someone who pulled off the freeway subsequently and was a witness to seeing SP on the freeway or if someone was an eyewitness to SP running around. Potentially she could have used the Cacheville/18 road entrance onto the freeway (which would be "just south of Yolo") and then someone pulled off the freeway at the next exit for the 97F/17 witness.

Thanks. Didn't the lady who gave media interviews about calling 911 say she pulled off on the next exit to make the call? What if the updated location "South of Yolo" refers to the witnesses' location? Do we know if the lady that pulled off to call 911 waited around for LE to come talk to her? I think that is an excellent suggestion that someone might have done that or someone might have seen SP from a side road as well, since "dozens" of people reportedly called 911.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

I find it hard to believe that KP would go along with it all so willingly in that case, though... Would he really have given that dramatic interview after her return, gushing about how wonderful his wife is and describing her rocking a blanket to sleep, if he knew she'd simply ran away to enjoy some pleasures of the flesh without him? And surely he would have known, or had a good idea, of what had actually happened rather than genuinely believing the kidnapping story, even after SP's return.

Well, remember he also spoke of his "revulsion" at seeing her (there were a number of other negative words that he used as well... definitely, IMO, leaking with his verbiage). And, yes, I could see him ticked off and going to the nth degree to describe and exaggerate every scratch. I can easily see him making a huge deal, so that she would think twice before she took off again (and so any "friends" that she may have been with would think twice about contacting her again).

If it were true, if it happened to you, would you want every bruise described in intimate detail on national tv? If it happened to me, my hubs would be protecting me and my privacy, not revictimizing me in the media.

Yes, as I said in a prior post, I think he knew from the beginning and it wouldn't surprise me if she had done similar things before. I think he got ticked after he did the find my phone thing and realized she had ditched it so he couldn't track her. MOO, of course.

ETA I can't think of a case where the loved ones of an assault victim went on national t.v. and described their injuries in graphic detail... without asking for tips and assistance in bringing her attackers to justice.


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[Stripehaven]

I don't know if I missed any discussion about this but - today I finally got to wondering why captors would have left SP with any kind of new clothes, restraints, headbags, etc. So much evidence! Did she ever indicate that they were always gloved in addition to the masks? I assume everything was tested for fingerprints. Why would captors risk leaving prints or DNA?

I have seen way too many Investigation Discovery shows where LE says something like, "Aha! This is a special-edition hose clamp that only sold for two weeks at one particular auto parts store in Northern California! Quick - get the surveillance footage!" Sure, that's a long shot but why would a perp risk leaving tangible, physical evidence??

 

[lonetraveler]

I don't know if I missed any discussion about this but - today I finally got to wondering why captors would have left SP with any kind of new clothes, restraints, headbags, etc. So much evidence! Did she ever indicate that they were always gloved in addition to the masks? I assume everything was tested for fingerprints. Why would captors risk leaving prints or DNA?

I have seen way too many Investigation Discovery shows where LE says something like, "Aha! This is a special-edition hose clamp that only sold for two weeks at one particular auto parts store in Northern California! Quick - get the surveillance footage!" Sure, that's a long shot but why would a perp risk leaving tangible, physical evidence??

Maybe the kidnapper with the bashed in head made the decision? Sorry, couldn't stop myself.
Has any information been released as to how long the constraint clamps had been on SP? I've just gone through two Achilles Tendon surgeries and if the clamps were applied to press against her tendon, believe me she would have been unable to run like in the video. JMO

 

[lonetraveler]

I find it hard to believe that KP would go along with it all so willingly in that case, though... Would he really have given that dramatic interview after her return, gushing about how wonderful his wife is and describing her rocking a blanket to sleep, if he knew she'd simply ran away to enjoy some pleasures of the flesh without him? And surely he would have known, or had a good idea, of what had actually happened rather than genuinely believing the kidnapping story, even after SP's return.

KP appears to be a man who likes to be able to control the situation. Maybe he went along with the story in order to 'save face'. JMO

 

[Stripehaven]

Maybe the kidnapper with the bashed in head made the decision? Sorry, couldn't stop myself.
Has any information been released as to how long the constraint clamps had been on SP? I've just gone through two Achilles Tendon surgeries and if the clamps were applied to press against her tendon, believe me she would have been unable to run like in the video. JMO

I am on my phone and can't "like" posts but I had to tell you that you made me snort!