Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #9

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I'm just having a LOT of trouble with this whole story. The vagueness of the descriptions, the weirdness of it all. I'm trying really hard, but there;s just so much strangeness here. IDK
 
I guess we just have to wait and see. I sure hope Le has more to go on than "two Hispanic women" in a "dark SUV". Wonder if they can determine what cell phones were in the area where she vanished at the time and date. Could not be that many.
 
Awesome, thanks sillybilly. SP has an entire Pinterest board called "tough mama" where she's pinned handguns and ways for women to carry concealed weapons. Just thought it was interesting.
I thought you'd like this Board on Pinterest... http://pin.it/d08HQDD
 
trixandhoney said:
Awesome, thanks sillybilly. SP has an entire Pinterest board called "tough mama" where she's pinned handguns and ways for women to carry concealed weapons. Just thought it was interesting.... http://pin.it/d08HQDD
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Meaning - did she carry? If so, did she always, or did she start carrying recently? Was she carrying when she was abducted?
 
gitana1 said:
That's just not logical. Yes, some women abduct people who aren't related to them. It is extremely, incredibly rare. In the vast majority of cases, the abductor is a male. Period. that number is even greater in the US. And even greater again when the victim is not a foreign national, or a child or a prostitute or marginalized person.

I will always be on high alert when approached by a male. I will not be on high alert when approached by a female, unless there are signs something is clearly off. Because I employ logic when protecting myself and my family and because I refuse to live a life of incredible fear and trepidation when the risk is not present.
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As I said, this is dangerously naive and it's exactly why men will use women to help lure women and children and even men. To literally say "Women don't kidnap other women." is a false statement. Statistically speaking, yes, of course men are almost always the abductor, but women DO kidnap women and even if the woman doesn't do the physical kidnapping, she can certainly lure a victim to men who will.

If you aren't teaching your children to be just as wary of women as men, you're doing them a great disservice. As a woman you should also be very wary of strange women. It would be nice if every predator looked and acted like a predator and "completely off", but they often don't. In the US alone, at least 30% of sex traffickers are female and the number is probably higher worldwide. Unfortunately, women luring children or other women for male partners is also more common than most people like to think. Robbery can be a motivation for women to kidnap other women. Beyond that, I'm assuming you or your family members will travel outside of the United States at some point in your lifetime and could be more of a target as a foreigner.

No one is asking you to live in constant fear, but to completely dismiss women as posing any danger to you or your family is not logical in any way. For people to literally say "Women don't kidnap women" is down right "head in the sand". Being cautious when approached by a strange woman, especially in a vehicle, is smart even if she's not acting completely off. To be as cautious of a woman who appears at your door selling something or asking to use a phone isn't being overly fearful, it's just common sense.

Avoiding the Karla Homlka, Judith Ann Neelley and Charlene Gallego's of the world is a good thing. Along with women who commit robbery and others like Jauna Barraza or Alyssa Bustamante who just enjoy killing.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/witw/a...-women-are-found-trafficking-other-women.html

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/37573575?client=safari

www.nola.com/articles/19711309/french_quarter_uber_kidnapping.amp?client=safari

www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Woman...estigation-331144472.html?amp=y?client=safari

I know you're separating women who kidnap little girls from women who kidnap young women or older women but I feel it's worth noting, what women are capable of, in general, before saying its logical to write them off as not posing a threat to your family.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/43993012/.../t/video-shows-nancy-garrido-luring-girl-van/

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dad-girl-snatched-newcastle-primark-8133391.amp?client=safari

http://crimefeed.com/2016/06/stranger-candy-teenager-chyrel-jolls-kidnap-allegedly-murder-children/

https://www.google.com/amp/people.c...urdered-an-8-year-old-girl/amp/?client=safari
 
trixandhoney said:
Meaning - did she carry? If so, did she always, or did she start carrying recently? Was she carrying when she was abducted?
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And there's a pin called "pre-assault body language indicators". Was she just being cautious, or did she have reason to seek out those signs?
 
trixandhoney said:
And there's a pin called "pre-assault body language indicators". Was she just being cautious, or did she have reason to seek out those signs?
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We don't know anything about whether she carried or not or why. LE and family has not said. <modsnip>

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Midge Montana said:
Heck yeah. There are even people that murder someone and actually shoot themselves as part of the cover story.
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It helps to keep things in perspective. In 2015, there were 5 million violent victimizations in the U.S. That's just one year. If there were a handful of self-inflicted injuries, perhaps the kind that make headlines because they're so rare, then there's maybe a 1 in a million chance that someone who reports an assault did in fact fake it with self-inflicted injuries.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv15_sum.pdf
 
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sumzero said:
It helps to keep things in perspective. In 2015, there were 5 million violent victimizations in the U.S. That's just one year. If there were a handful of self-inflicted injuries, perhaps the kind that make headlines because they're so rare, then there's maybe a 1 in a million chance that someone who reports an assault did in fact fake it with self-inflicted injuries.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv15_sum.pdf
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I'm not quite sure how you're arriving at the math.
 
Pamela_Brewer said:
We were raised to be polite. That is what perpetrators count on, before we realize it we are victims.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gift_of_Fear
Read the PINS section!
Actually I recommend that everyone should read this book.
I checked it out at my local library, then bought it for my daughter.
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I agree! Gavin DeBecker also has a book titled 'Protecting the Gift' both are very good. I bought them years ago and still have them on my bookshelf. I think I'll read them again :)
 
This case has so many interesting twists and turns.The best twist is that she was found alive. Besides the glaringly odd reverse ransom situation, I am still baffled by the motive. I truly believed that it was an abduction of opportunity. Someone saw her, wanted her, and surprised her. My hunch all along was this was random. I felt that her body would be found and that there would be a sexual assault motive. Very glad to be wrong.

But that leaves me now with the actual MOTIVE. Why would 2 women abduct and keep a woman for 3 weeks and then release her?

I don't buy the sex traffic motive. As others have pointed out, I think there are many easier ways of finding vulnerable women for that business without the risk of a daytime kidnapping of housewives.

My only guess at the juncture is that this was not random and that motive was monetary all along. Either someone sketchy was owed money, or there was reason to believe that someone in the extended family has financial means to pay for her return. I can not think of any other reason that she would have been released alive.

Why the reported physical abuse? Perhaps the physical battering was to convince the family they meant business and photos and other communication was shared between the abductors and the immediate family without LE being aware. The ransom/reward offering may have all been part of this communication and not as random as they want us to believe. Or her physical injury could have been the result of her fighting with the assailants upon her immediate attack or when she was freed...speculating that she might have been tossed roughly out of the SUV and was harmed in that process.

Still just scratching my head and sharing my random musing with fellow sleuthers.
 
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