Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #16 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

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I also believe he had been watching her before, there is no way at all he could have ended up on the court, right at the time she leaves for the bus, while her parents were not home, without some knowledge of her life and schedule.

Which just adds to speculation that he has done, and gotten away with this before, which baffles me even further about the bag. If he has experience, he has been able to hide his previous crimes. He could have dumped the bag, burned the bag, hidden it w/ her body that they still have not found.

All just my opinion.

I cant explain it either. Maybe because they have continued to get away with violent acts they get overly arrogant/cocky and then they get careless and make mistakes.

Look how long it usually takes them to catch a serial killer or serial rapist. By the time they are caught they have multiple victims. They will mess up somehow and then they are finally caught.........thank goodness.

IMO
 
I have an "online only friend" that actually has a bit of some ties to some of these people. He says his female cousin went to school with the suspect and is friends with him and his wife on Facebook. The wife is apparently on a Facebook rampage right now. My online buddy has given me some of her quotes but I told him to take screen shots.

From the quotes she's said stuff like the police are lying, she was with him the morning of the abduction, Sierra is a dirty ho and referencing Sierra's twitter account.
 
I heard an interview with his mom. She said on two of the cars there were GPS tracker that the LE had put on them. So I guess he knew something was going on.

If he was being followed or gsp'ed, why would LE inform him. Weird. What's the point then? I'm not the brightest, am I missing something?:waitasec:
 
They could but imo at the next hearing they have for him he is going to be charged with First Degree Murder and Kidnapping.

The Sheriff has already said he is going to be charged with murder and kidnapping. Since she was killed during the commission of another felony I will be surprised if this is not a death penalty case.

They also can add additional charges later on such as rape.

IMO

OK this is where I saw it. This says he was already charged.

MORGAN HILL, Calif. —


A 21-year-old suspect was arrested and charged with one count of murder and one count of kidnapping Monday in connection with the disappearance of Morgan Hill teen Sierra LaMar, according to authorities.

KTVU confirmed Monday evening that Santa Clara sheriff's deputies were holding 21-year-old Antolin Garcia-Torres in custody as a suspect in the case.

http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/crime-law/suspect-taken-custody-sierra-la-mar-case/nPBX3/
 
I don't really know how to express this, but I'll give it a shot.

In 2009 he left some DNA at one of the attempted abductions.

He already had DNA entered in the database from a previous assault (?) which had been dismissed, as I understand it.

It seems to me that the DNA from the attempted abduction could (or should?) have been cross-referenced in the CODIS. Can anyone explain to me why this might not have been done, or why it could not have been done?

If it had been done, Sierra Lamar perhaps would still be with us.
 
Hey all I have been following all day from work when I could and am only able to actually log in and comment now. First, wow, as some of you have stated this is not what I expected when I got up this morning at all. This is beyond terrible but he is off the street now so now more girls will suffer by his hand as I do believe he has done this before IMO I also agree with the thought that this was not the first time he has killed. It would seem to me that in 2009 he first attempted these abductions but did not quite know what he was doing. He got angry that these girls outwitted him and probably began working out to become stronger he started planning more, got methodical in his actions vowing to never be outsmarted again even though I do not think he has a higher than average IQ. He does seem to fit the organized killer profile especially since he kidnapped from one area, left evidence in another and disposed of SL in a 3rd location yet to be determined. However he slipped up, like most criminals of this caliber they get so comfortable in their trait that they get sloppy (Ex. Bundy) again MOO
Another scenario is that he wanted to leave her clothes, he was proud of himself and wanted to leave a trophy of sorts out so that someone people knew she was taken/gone but did not know by whom.
Also when someone is tased they can urianate involuntarily, this could also be why he had SL take off her clothes, maybe he thought it was gross and got disgusted by it. People like him often have little things like that, where things need to be just right for the murder to satisfy them, like the murdered who clean the girls bodies or put makeup on them afterwards. Again JMO. I also agree with a previous post that she folded her own clothes slowly hoping to by time. Now as far as getting SL into the car, maybe he did sweet talk her and she was attracted to him, maybe he offered her a ride and she thought it was harmless, afterall he doesn't look threatening and she seemed to be drawn to the "bad boy" image. I know when I was her age I took rides not knowing any better and my thought was always that "someone would have seen me get into the car so this person won't harm me." Today I realize how lucky I am that no one actually did harm me.
If he attacked from behind, he could have either seen her from his previous employment at Safeway and happened to her that morning and thought he was "lucky" and stumbled upon his perfect opportunity.
He could also have been watching her, maybe trying to resist taking her but the temptation became too much if this was his first kill. IMO
I know alot of gang talk has been discussed throughout the threads and LUCKY7 mentioned and I have heard that before in relation to gangs so I tried to google it but since I am an amaetur sleuth I did not come up with much but thought this definition was interesting from Urban Dictionary

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lucky%20number%20seven
1. Quite possibly the most formiddable number ever to be counted, It is derived from the latin term severa meaning "several" the number seven is typically used as a threat among gangs along the eastern coast as to the fact that seven is the largest number in the illiterate faction of gang members usually causing great confusion amongst all when uttered. Also seven is the number of deadly sins according to the bible making the number seven actually demonic in nature.

2. Seven also referred to as "Lucky Number Seven" ironically, the term is mostly used as respect torwards the number as angering it causes terrorism, earthquakes, and swine flu among the general population.

So maybe it was gang related if he is new to this and him not talking to LE is all part of it as well as the smug look in the raw perp walk feed. However I feel he is a serial rapist/killer who just got to cocky and slipped. This again is all my opinion and sorry for the long hectic post I just got home and literally waited all day to post my thoughts. MOO

Love this post. Someone mentioned earlier could be gang initiation-type stuff. It's always possible it's gang-related, but I think he kept this to himself. At least that's what it seems like so far.
 
Since there are so many unsolved cases concerning missing minors nowadays, imoo, I think it is best to take each case on an individual basis rather than lumping them in one group based on what most do. There is 43 missing minors in this one county alone. Until all those cases are solved then we really dont know if parents are the ones committing the most murders (around 400 per year) against children. When there are many unknowns in so many cases it makes the statistics very flawed.

I dont think stranger abductions are nearly as rare as some would like to believe. I think stranger abductors are getting away with kidnapping and murder everyday and delight in the fact that the parents are automatically assumed to be the guilty party.

JMO though

BBM

And don't neglect the delight they must get from how quickly most missing teens are written off as runaways & forgotten about by LE. :banghead:

Heck, despite Federal Mandates on missing persons recordkeeping, most LEAs are still neglecting to add many of their cases to the National Databases, or to collect DNA & dentals from family at the thirty day mark as required. There's a reason for that - the Mandates are unfunded...but still, it makes any statistical analysis meaningless, IMO.

Actually, I'm pretty sure that this guy was so brazen, and thought the bag placement 'good enough' because he assumed that Sierra's age would mean she would be written off as a runaway - and in most areas, he'd have been correct in that assumption. That the responding officer in this case took the time to really look at things, and responded effectively is something that the perp could never have predicted, and that officer IMO deserves a huge amount of gratitude & credit.

All JMO
 
Oh I thought he was already charged with kidnapping and murder. Why did I think that. :waitasec:

He will have to come before the Judge and the indictment will be read charging him with murder and kidnapping and at that time he will plead Guilty or Not Guilty.

IMO, he will plead NG and take his chances.

Thats what I meant. Sorry.:)
 
For those who missed it earlier today

MAY 22, 2012 SAN JOSE, CALIFORNIA
PRESS CONFERENCE

SGT. CARDOZA: Some important (indiscernible) here in the
room today. Obviously, Sheriff Laurie Smith will be speaking
in a couple minutes. She will make a statement. She will be
available for a couple questions afterwards.
We also want to acknowledge Christopher Carroll,
supervisor in charge of the United States Department of
Justice. FBI Jan Bennett, assistant supervisor in charge.
And Mr. Donald O'Keefe from the United States Marshal's
Office, Supervisor Wasserman of County Supervisors here as
well, as well as Jeff Thomas from our search and rescue team.
Sheriff Smith.

SHERIFF SMITH: Thank you. And thank you for being
patient with us. As you're aware, we did make an arrest last
night.

I'd like to start off by expressing condolences to
Sierra's family. It's a very difficult time for them. And on
behalf of all of law enforcement, all of the volunteers that
have been involved in this investigation -- they've been so
dedicated. They've worked very hard to come to this point.
After about two and a half months of continuous
investigation, with collaboration of all local agencies, state
agencies, federal agencies, we really would like to
acknowledge the United States Marshal that's here, the
supervising agent in charge from the FBI for their early
efforts and their commitment for personnel.

This has been very, very labor intensive. We've used a
lot of man hours, a lot of volunteer hours from our search and
rescue team. For that, we're grateful.
Our investigation has led to the identification of
Antolin Garcia-Torres as the person responsible for the kidnap
and murder of Sierra LaMar.
We developed this through our
investigation based on direct and circumstantial evidence,
including forensic analysis conducted by the Santa Clara
County District Attorney's Crime Lab.
The discovery of Sierra's cell phone, her clothing, what
she wore that day, and her personal belongings have
contributed to our belief that -- that Sierra's a victim of
murder.
Early on, when our deputy first responded to a missing
child report, he knew immediately that this was not just a
runaway. This was something that was more significant. So
early in the investigation, we had tremendous resources out
there searching.

We found the bag of clothing less than two days after she
was reported missing. And our search and rescue team found
that two miles from her house. A two-mile radius is a huge
radius to search, and it was that clothing that was really
instrumental in identifying the subject.

Off of her property in the bag, we found DNA from Antolin
Garcia-Torres. It was that DNA that was placed into the
system that -- that revealed the identity. We received those
lab results on March 28th.

And from March 28th until present time, we've had
24-hour-a-day surveillance on Garcia. We needed additional
information. We were continuing the investigation. We were
hoping that he would lead us to where Sierra was. Our
surveillance efforts were -- were around the clock because
public safety was our primary concern.

We also have information that we've just recently
developed that there were three assaults in Morgan Hill about
three years ago, in March of 2009. We have linked one of
those to our suspect through forensic evidence. He was booked
last night for murder and kidnapping.

The family is here. We're not certain if the family will
come down and talk with you. I believe that they will, but
this is a very, very difficult time for them. And we just
really wish to express our deepest condolences to the family.
I'll take some questions.

A REPORTER: Laurie, what prompted the arrest?
DNA from her property that we found two days after. That led
to the suspect. We seized the suspect's vehicle on -- on
April 7th, at the time we did search warrants. We have
physical evidence linking Sierra to his vehicle.

A REPORTER: Any possible motive why did the worlds
collide?

SHERIFF SMITH: We don't know that. It's my belief this
was purely random. It was an absolute stranger abduction.
There's no information that we have of any type that the two
know each other, have had any contact. We believe this is the
worst kind of a crime, a stranger abduction of a young girl.

A REPORTER: DNA found in that bag, what was it? On the
clothes in the bag, what was it?

SHERIFF SMITH: I'm not sure what item it was on. It was
found in multiple places on her property. And we're not going
to comment any more on -- on the type or the nature of the
DNA. But it was enough DNA to link him within the CODIS
system identifying him as the person.

A REPORTER: April 7th, the car, did you ever have
contact and interview him, and did he know he was under
surveillance and stayed in the area?

SHERIFF SMITH: I believe that he may have believed he
was under surveillance. We don't know that for sure. We've
talked to him multiple times. Last night after his arrest was
the first custodial environment interview that we've had with
him.

A REPORTER: Talk about that conversation. Has he
admitted to the crime? Is he going to take you to the body?

SHERIFF SMITH: We have gained some value from our
interviews with him, but nothing substantive. And we hope at
some point he does tell us more than he's telling us now.

A REPORTER: What makes you think she's dead? What gives
you that --

SHERIFF SMITH: Sierra was a very social girl. She had a
lot of friends. She communicated with her friends all the
time through social media outlets, through telephoning. From
the time that she was reported missing, there was absolutely
no contact.
There has been no contact with any of her
friends. We have no reason to believe that she ran away. We
now have a stranger who we identified through DNA on her
property.
Also, her property she threw away or discarded --
she did not throw away. Discarded was her property that she
would have taken -- that she would have taken with her,
including medication.

A REPORTER: Sheriff, do you know if he ever took the car
to the community searches for Sierra?

SHERIFF SMITH: I don't believe he did. But -- but I --
we haven't confirmed that.

A REPORTER: Can you tell us if there were any other
suspects to this person, anybody else knew or participated
in --

SHERIFF SMITH: Early in the investigation, we had many,
many suspects. We did additional surveillances other than
with him. Right now, we believe he's the only person
responsible for the kidnapping and murder of Sierra.

A REPORTER: (Indiscernible.) You said items were thrown
out. Is it possible he's got her somewhere stashed away
somewhere? Is it a possibility?

SHERIFF SMITH: We have a lot of direct evidence. We
have circumstantial evidence. We believe that the facts
that -- that I've just talked about lead us to believe this.
These are very, very difficult cases to prosecute, a
homicide when you have not found the victim, but it has been
done, and I think that we have adequate facts. In fact,
strong facts to believe that she has been murdered.

A REPORTER: I mean, is he a Morgan Hill resident?

SHERIFF SMITH: He is a Morgan Hill resident.

A REPORTER: Does he live in that neighborhood?

A REPORTER: He doesn't live that close in the
neighborhood, but he's familiar with the area. He's spent
most of his life, if not all of his life in that area, and he
is a resident.

A REPORTER: Does he have an alibi?

SHERIFF SMITH: Again, he has not been totally disclosive
with us in it, so we haven't had an opportunity to test any
alibi.

A REPORTER: With regards to (indiscernible) 2009, were
they sexual in nature, or were they physical assaults?

SHERIFF SMITH: They were physical assaults that were not
completed, if you will. And I know it's been widely reported
in the media. One was where a taser was involved but the
victim managed to get away. Another one was where the victim
had a knife that had been used against her. And the other one
was he was not able to get into the victim's car. She had
locked it. Those have been reported by the media, and one of
those we have linked through evidence to our suspect.

A REPORTER: Which one? Taser, the knife, or the --

SHERIFF SMITH: You know, I don't remember which one it
was.

A REPORTER: Did you locate blood in the vehicle that
matched Sierra LaMar?

SHERIFF SMITH: We have not located any blood. But we're
not commenting on -- on really any of the physical evidence.
We want that to remain confidential. Our focus right now is
continuing to search and look for Sierra. And we hope that we
have reached a successful prosecution on the person who did
this.

A REPORTER: Why was he in the database to begin with?
What had he done?

SHERIFF SMITH: He had -- he has a prior conviction for
interfering with an officer. That's a misdemeanor. He has a
prior felony arrest for an assault. That's what got him into
the database. But that was not prosecuted.

A REPORTER: If you believe that she is dead, do you have
any sense of how long she lived?

SHERIFF SMITH: We don't know that. We don't know that.
When we look at these types of cases -- and when I mentioned
and thanked the FBI for their assistance early on in the
investigation, we had their team of their child abduction
experts from all over the country come.
We had their Behavioral Analysis Unit from Quantico, Virginia, who talked a
lot to us about these types of cases, what to expect, and it's
based on their research of these kinds of cases.
And what we're finding now that we have a suspect, we're
finding that much of what they thought could have occurred
really is -- he's not a registered sex offender. That's one
thing that they told us right away. We were actually
surprised, because one of the first things that we did was to
look at all the registered sex offenders, and they said in
these cases, it's a very small percentage. So working with
them was really important in the beginning. And the
probability of homicide in this is also very, very strong for
these types of cases that have been studied and researched by
the FBI.

THE DEPUTY: Two more questions.

A REPORTER: I think a lot of people were concerned that
(indiscernible) found Sierra and -- do you have any weapon?
Or do you know how, if you believe she was killed, how she was
killed?

SHERIFF SMITH: We don't have a weapon, and we don't
know. We don't know.

A REPORTER: What made it important yesterday, as opposed
to the days or weeks before? Why did you make the decision --

SHERIFF SMITH: We had received the forensic evidence
back on the vehicle that we seized earlier. Lab takes a long
time. There are many, many more things that currently are
with the lab that we're expecting results. We knew that we
had probable cause and that we had a strong case to arrest him
for homicide and kidnapping.

And public safety was our primary concern. Even though
we have been surveilling him, surveillance is not perfect. We
wanted to make sure that this didn't happen again. And public
safety, again, has been our concern all along on this and to
make sure that we had a good, viable case.

A REPORTER: I think this is -- Sheriff, I want you to
address it now and have that opportunity. If you had him
under surveillance since March 20th, are you confident in the
way that you have handled this case in terms of disseminating
the information and protecting the case against the suspect,
but with all of the community volunteers and all of the
searches that have put so much into this? And you obviously
had a suspect early on, had evidence from the car early on.

SHERIFF SMITH: I'm absolutely confident in what we've
done. Our detectives have done an amazing job. The community
outreach has been wonderful. And we were communicating with
the community. The community in this has come together to
search for her.

What you have seen publicly has been our search: Our
search and rescue team, our sheriff's office searchers, or
underwater dive team. What you haven't seen, because it's not
as visible, is our bigger operation, the investigation,
surveillance. That's not as visible to you, so that's not
what you saw. But what the volunteers have been doing, what
our search and rescue team has been doing is searching for
Sierra, not investigating the case.

A REPORTER: One of the March incidents --

SHERIFF SMITH: I'm sorry?

A REPORTER: The felony arrests for assault, is that one
of the March incidents?

SHERIFF SMITH: No. Those were never solved. The three
assaults in Morgan Hill were not solved.
Let me mention one other thing that I think is very
interesting. Since January of 2011, so a little bit over a
year, in Santa Clara County alone, there are -- let me get the
number. Sorry. I guess I should have had this first. I
think there's 43 missing juvenile females reported since
January of 2011 that have never returned home. It's --
it's -- you wonder if any of those actually were abductions
also.

Our detectives have done a great job. Our investigators,
from the very beginning, our patrol people that initially went
to the call have done an extraordinary job. And we've put a
lot of resources into it, but these resources were important.
This is a missing little girl.

A REPORTER: What was the felony arrest for?

SHERIFF SMITH: It was an assault.

A REPORTER: Was that a sexual assault?

SHERIFF SMITH: No. And I know you've all met Sierra's
mother and Sierra's father. And I think Sierra's mother,
Marlene, would like to talk for a few moments.

MS. LAMAR: I would like to thank the community
outreaching to find Sierra, and all their time and efforts
that have gone into this and their prayers. We continue to
pray until she's found. Our search still is not going to end.
You know, as a mother, I still -- I'm hopeful, because
her -- her body has not been found, and that gives me hope.
And just what I've heard, you know, as far as certain things
not being found in the vehicle also gives me hope.
And I -- again, I am so grateful for the response, for
law enforcement.

I have a -- I do have a plea to the perpetrator to
please, please give the information that you have -- that you
have to lead us to Sierra, to help end this nightmare. I
would like you to come forward and say where she is and end
this nightmare for us as a family.

I'm not giving up hope, you know. Her body hasn't been
found. And, you know, so many people have -- you know, record
breaking numbers showed up at the search center, like,
thousands of people. And law enforcement, you know, doing it
simultaneously. I believe there's a reason why she wasn't
found. So I'm not -- we're not giving up on that.

MR. LAMAR: Good morning, everyone. I just want to say
just a couple of words.

The main thing would be that we want to thank, you know,
everyone for all of the support we've gotten. So far, we
still need your support. We need to bring Sierra home. So we
still need to find her. So we're looking for everyone to help
us do that. And -- and we're -- we want justice served. So
that's what we're looking for. Thank you.

SGT. CARDOZA: Okay. That concludes today's press
conference. Thank you.

mamamia, you are a sweetheart!

:woohoo: :woohoo:

Thank you for posting this!
 
Well, the USA as a whole will never agree. I can say that safely because I will never agree.

There is disagreement as to who said it originally but I agree with the saying "those who would trade freedom for security end up with neither."

I for one disagree with getting people's dna. Talk about opening up a can of worms. jmo
 
If he was being followed or gsp'ed, why would LE inform him. Weird. What's the point then? I'm not the brightest, am I missing something?:waitasec:

She was on KGO news I have no clue
 
Disagree you may but IMO this issue is still up for debate as IMO dependant upon what DNA of Sierra is present in ATG's black hooded, red Jetta..which is not known to us at this time and I certainly believe hair with a death band, or Sierra's DNA combined with a positive alert from an HRD trained dog would be especially damning regardless of what age the victim is. Jmo, tho

So far, there is no mention of DNA found in the vehicle unless I missed it.

Santa Clara County Sheriff Laurie Smith said Antolin Garcia-Torres's DNA was found inside a bag belonging to Sierra LaMar. Sierra's DNA was also found on unspecified property belonging to Garcia-Torres, according to sheriff's officials.

http://www.the-signal.com/section/36/article/66167/
 
Well guys and gals, if there are 43 missing persons in and around Morgan Hill, I'm not able to find them, so far I've found 4, with one being in Gilroy, not far from MH.

Sheriff was referring to SantaClara, the county as a whole

That is a lot it seems, who and where are they???
 
Doesn't kidnapping carry a life sentence as well, or is that not true anymore?
 
Various news stations are reporting that her DNA was found in the vehicle which they have had since April 7th.

They are also back on Uvas Reservoir. There is definitely a reason why they have been diving lakes for the last 6 weeks.....
 
I have an "online only friend" that actually has a bit of some ties to some of these people. He says his female cousin went to school with the suspect and is friends with him and his wife on Facebook. The wife is apparently on a Facebook rampage right now. My online buddy has given me some of her quotes but I told him to take screen shots.

From the quotes she's said stuff like the police are lying, she was with him the morning of the abduction, Sierra is a dirty ho and referencing Sierra's twitter account.

Why would the police randomly choose him? Why would police just pick this guy out and plant evidence in his car or lie about it? He supposedly had no connection with Sierra, so how and why would they want to set him up? Seems to me if he had a valid alibi, LE would not have made this announcement or keep him in custody.

I can understand why his family is angry and in denial. I would probably be too if I found out my husband did something so horrendous. Nobody wants to believe their loved ones would murder someone.
 
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