Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #7 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[obody]

JMO but the way the Sheriff talked about the items found, I got the impression that her books were not inside the bag but were found at the same location. If they were inside the bag, I think she would have said so.

They confirmed her clothes were, why not mention the books as well?

If the books were at the same location, but not in the bag, then the particular arrangement should indicate to LE whether they were thrown or placed. But LE says they don't know if they were thrown or not. Does that imply the books were in the bag?

 

[Foxymona]

I may be way off track here but with the father's past convictions could this be a revenge thing from one of his victims or someone close to them?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I remember them being described as SECRETED! Like they were hidden so my impression is that they did not believe the bag was tossed! JMO

What would be the difference? Secreted means hidden and of course they were hidden out of sight so I dont see how that can determine if they were placed there or tossed out from a vehicle. A perp would aim for some brush or in this instance a bushy cactus so the items couldnt be seen from the road.

IMO

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

I agree. I'm getting dizzy going in circles too.

See everyone at a later date. Be well folks.

Take care, and I really hope we get news soon.

 

[sarx]

So that means the scent could have been from the night before?

If that was the freshest trail, yes.

 

[~n/t~]

The similarities in some of these cases are just creepy.

Katelyn Markham - a picture was taken right before she disappeared (a picture of a picture) allegedly sent to her bf.

Holly Bobo - abducted outside her home on her way to school. Almost same time as Sierra. Lunch bag found approx 8 miles from home.


Probably no connection but when I heard about Sierra's case and the photo and going to school, and her bag being found, etc, it made me think of these two other beautiful young ladies. So sad. Where are they?

 

[cluciano63]

Whether the books were tossed or someone walked over and placed them there...neither scenario tells me much of anything. JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I may be way off track here but with the father's past convictions could this be a revenge thing from one of his victims or someone close to them?

I have no doubt that the police have checked out all three families of the three children involved since Steve told them right up front about him being a RSO. Of course he would come clean immediately because he knew they would find out about it anyway.

IMO

 

[GrainneDhu]

I find it interesting that he/she/they didn't just put the phone in the bag and leave it with Sierra if she in fact is no longer with us.

Given that, It also makes me question if this person/people intended to kill Sierra or are keeping her and therefore disposed of her belongings so she could not be identified.

It also makes me question if she was actually in the car when these items were disposed of. I'm seriously questioning that.

I can see disposing of the phone, but I can understand the purse...It poses no harm if they planned on keeping her. Unless she is involved in sex trafficking...I can see disposing of it then.

There has got to be some psychology in hiding the purse and in the ay it as hidden. (sorry about the doubleyou's)

My theory is that both items were disposed of quickly for the same reason: fear that they could be used as tracking devices.

Cell phones can be pinged and many smartphones have GPS. If you fear that someone may have seen you grab the victim, the first thing you want to do is get rid of that cell phone. Why bother fumbling around powering it down and trying to get the battery out when it will only ever be a liability to you? Just fling it out the window and boogie.

GPS locators are increasingly common. They are so common that you can buy them at Wal-Mart. Many of the locators can be programmed to send an alert if it strays out of a pre-defined geographical area (great for parents who want to limit where their kids go).

The perp wants as much of a headstart on possible pursuit as possible, so get rid of that purse. Since the GPS boundary may already have been crossed (the perp has no way to know), the sooner the better.

I think when the abductor was about two miles from the house, they stopped at an obviously unused building to better secure Sierra and dump the bag. Just pulled up next to the building (to be less conspicuous), secured Sierra, rolled down the window, threw out the purse and gone.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

If the books were at the same location, but not in the bag, then the particular arrangement should indicate to LE whether they were thrown or placed. But LE says they don't know if they were thrown or not. Does that imply the books were in the bag?

Sheriff Smith said she didnt know. Her investigators have to know. They were there.

But she doesnt let them come and talk to the media on the national news shows.

I really would love to see either Cardoza or Lt. Smith on one of the shows.

IMO

 

[Eileen730]

What would be the difference? Secreted means hidden and of course they were hidden out of sight so I dont see how that can determine if they were placed there or tossed out from a vehicle. A perp would aim for some brush or in this instance a bushy cactus so the items couldnt be seen from the road.

IMO

Well to me secreted mean someone hid them!


tr.v. se·cret·ed, se·cret·ing, se·cret·es
To conceal in a hiding place; cache. See Synonyms at hide1

 

[nursebeeme]

Tricia is on the radio right now with Brad Dennis: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websle...uths-radio-special-edition-tuesday-april-10th

 

[krkrjx]

Got it! Nice seeing you too

I wish we knew...it would make a huge difference as to if they were hidden. I think if they were scattered a little or falling out a bit, then it would likely say they didn't plant it there. IMO.

I gotta check out the dimensions of this purse. It's hard to figure a pair of jeans, jersey/shirt, books, make-up, wallet fitting in it. I still wonder about the wallet and if she had an iPod with her.

Here's my take on the purse issue:

Neither the Sheriff nor any other LE who have spoken about the bag have mentioned the books being inside it. They have, however, said the books were found "with" it. That can mean the books were found nearby at essentially the same location during the same search. Or, it could mean the books were right there on top of, underneath, or inside the bag.

It seems odd that even when specifically asked whether the books were inside the bag, we get a non-answer from LE. It seems such a minor thing; why can't they just say yes they were in the bag, or no they were not in the bag? They have no qualms at all about saying the clothing was in the bag, even going to far as to describe the condition of the clothing--neatly folded.

I believe that all LE who have been asked about the bag/clothing/books know where the books were found, and that they are choosing (at least for now) not to release that information. There are always details not released to the public in order to keep those details as something only the perp would know. The longer it goes without this question being answered, the more I think LE is purposely staying mum about the books.

That's all JMO.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Whether the books were tossed or someone walked over and placed them there...neither scenario tells me much of anything. JMO

You are right ......it really doesnt. All we know is the items were hidden there two miles from where she was abducted.

IMO

 

[GrainneDhu]

True.

But I have always wondered why this guy didn't remove the battery from the cell and dispose of it in a better way. It does seem like he expected or evn wanted it to be found. imo

Why bother messing around with something that could only ever be a liability to the perp? It could be used to track them or Sierra might even be able to call 911 in a moment of distraction if the perp left it in the car.

Far safer to just throw it out the window at the first place that wasn't someone's front lawn. Doing it so close to Sierra's house would not give much of a clue to where the perp was going.

So long as the perp got a head start of, say, 30 minutes or so, I don't think they cared if the cell phone was found or not.

 

[~n/t~]

If the books were at the same location, but not in the bag, then the particular arrangement should indicate to LE whether they were thrown or placed. But LE says they don't know if they were thrown or not. Does that imply the books were in the bag?

Yes, the condition the books were found would indicate if they were thrown or not, imo and I think LE knows it but are not saying for whatever reason. Perhaps they want to trip someone up into talking or just letting on like they don't know what they're doing and all along LE is hot on their trail.

I'm hopeful they have some really good leads!

 

[Wendy101]

No, it would be the freshest scent which led out of the home and down the driveway.

IMO

right. So what happens if the last time Sierra walked out of that house was the night before?

The perp could have attacked her in her own home,, and carried her out that morning..

 

[SmoothOperator]

Yes, I know that, in fact in the next post is where I posted that Sheriff Smith said it could have been thrown from a vehicle and Marc Klass has stated he thinks the items were thrown from a vehicle.

But what I was saying is I never heard anyone say it was PLACED on the side of the building. I know she also said the items could have been placed there.....I guess meaning someone walked up and put them in the spot.

Maybe I am just not making my post clear today. (sigh)

IMO

OK I see what you're saying now..
..and yes I know you're one of our long long time posters here and that you dont get caught up in pettiness or foolishness but I always tend to make the disclaimer that tho our opinions may differ for me atleast it doesn't have anything to do with my still have such respect for members I may not be agreeing wwith at the time.. I've found some do tend to hold a bit of a grudge:crazy:..silly? Yea I aagreebut its what initially started my posting such disclaimers..

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Here's my take on the purse issue:

Neither the Sheriff nor any other LE who have spoken about the bag have mentioned the books being inside it. They have, however, said the books were found "with" it. That can mean the books were found nearby at essentially the same location during the same search. Or, it could mean the books were right there on top of, underneath, or inside the bag.

It seems odd that even when specifically asked whether the books were inside the bag, we get a non-answer from LE. It seems such a minor thing; why can't they just say yes they were in the bag, or no they were not in the bag? They have no qualms at all about saying the clothing was in the bag, even going to far as to describe the condition of the clothing--neatly folded.

I believe that all LE who have been asked about the bag/clothing/books know where the books were found, and that they are choosing (at least for now) not to release that information. There are always details not released to the public in order to keep those details as something only the perp would know. The longer it goes without this question being answered, the more I think LE is purposely staying mum about the books.

That's all JMO.

Has the press ever asked Cardoza or Lt. Smith this question outright? I cant remember but they seem to be more forthcoming with information but of course this is their jobs as Media Officers for the Sheriff's department.

The only one I have seen say they didnt actually know where the books were found is Sheriff Smith but she is just the department head and her detectives do the actual investigation.

IMO

 

[Eileen730]

My theory is that both items were disposed of quickly for the same reason: fear that they could be used as tracking devices.

Cell phones can be pinged and many smartphones have GPS. If you fear that someone may have seen you grab the victim, the first thing you want to do is get rid of that cell phone. Why bother fumbling around powering it down and trying to get the battery out when it will only ever be a liability to you? Just fling it out the window and boogie.

GPS locators are increasingly common. They are so common that you can buy them at Wal-Mart. Many of the locators can be programmed to send an alert if it strays out of a pre-defined geographical area (great for parents who want to limit where their kids go).

The perp wants as much of a headstart on possible pursuit as possible, so get rid of that purse. Since the GPS boundary may already have been crossed (the perp has no way to know), the sooner the better.

I think when the abductor was about two miles from the house, they stopped at an obviously unused building to better secure Sierra and dump the bag. Just pulled up next to the building (to be less conspicuous), secured Sierra, rolled down the window, threw out the purse and gone.

Id love to know if there were any prints on the phone .