Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #7 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

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Wendy101 said:
Very easy. Grab your phone... Go to your computer...pull up a picture and take the photo...send it to a friend as a text... Your friend will think it was today's photo.. Only it CAN be an old photo you chose to take..
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Yes true- but surly the FBI would be able to tell by the quality of the photo if it was a photo of a photo with all the enhancement they are able to do? And if it was emailed to the phone and saved and then sent that would leave a trail. I don't think they could have taken a photo of a screen or another photo and passed it off as an original IMO. But I am no expert
 
Wendy101 said:
Very easy. Grab your phone... Go to your computer...pull up a picture and take the photo...send it to a friend as a text... Your friend will think it was today's photo.. Only it CAN be an old photo you chose to take..
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All photos on the computer have a date stamp no matter when you send them. It can be ascertain by a forensic computer expert when the photo was actually taken.

IMO
 
Foxymona said:
Yes true- but surly the FBI would be able to tell by the quality of the photo if it was a photo of a photo with all the enhancement they are able to do? And if it was emailed to the phone and saved and then sent that would leave a trail. I don't think they could have taken a photo of a screen or another photo and passed it off as an original IMO. But I am no expert
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I agree.
It appears to me the photo "taken" allegedly that morning does NOT have very good quality and could actually be a second generation pic.

Many of her photos have very clear images, whereas this one, does not.
 
:+:MrTT:+: said:
Just called and talked with an officer. And they already checked the rental places for vehicles rented around that time and not returned. So I can forget it now.
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It was a good idea and a good thing to call it in.

I suddenly thought: are there any car rental places in the area that track their vehicles using GPS locators? I've heard that some rental places are starting to use them to keep tabs on their vehicles (to foil theft).
 
houndstooth said:
I agree.
It appears to me the photo "taken" allegedly that morning does NOT have very good quality and could actually be a second generation pic.

Many of her photos have very clear images, whereas this one, does not.
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Yeah I noticed that- but if that is the case I believe they would be able to tell and they would have a trace of when the original was taken or at least an indication of such? Thoughts?
 
Foxymona said:
I'm not sure how the time stamped photo of her that morning would work in that case? I mean anyone can send a text and a tweet pretending to be her but it wouldn't be so easy to fake the photo... I'm guessing not impossible but wouldn't be easy no?
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Could u take a photo of a photo?

just a thought!
 
houndstooth said:
I agree.
It appears to me the photo "taken" allegedly that morning does NOT have very good quality and could actually be a second generation pic.

Many of her photos have very clear images, whereas this one, does not.
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That could happen for various reasons and still be legitimate photos.

Since the FBI list the description of the Shark shirt on their website as being the clothes she was last seen wearing, I think they have forensically verified the photo was taken that morning on her computer before she went to school.

imo
 
sarx said:
LE I'm sure pulled the metatags from the photo in question and knows exactly when and where it was taken. We just don't have those answers. But I believe they stated that she took it that morning correct?
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Ok.. So what I a sayin is that photo could have been on the home computer...as an original.. Taken the day before or any day prior to her missing...

If someone had a hold of her phone that morning, in the house... They could have taken a picture of that original photo with the phone .... So, yes, it would show up that she really took the pic that day....because it WAS taken that day, the only problem would be us that it was not an original photo... It was a photo of a photo.
 
imkeylime said:
IMO, someone was probably forced to throw the phone because Sierra was trying to use it. It seems logical, IMO, that the purse was placed after the fact, maybe in proximity to the phone to throw the search off track or keep it in the local area. What confuses me about what I just said is that means the perp would have looped back ... but maybe he has no choice, if he lives in the area. But her body is probably elsewhere.
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That being said....I'm definitely inclined to think it is someone in the neighborhood...someone who would not stand out...even the car. I think it was done during the daytime. I think it would be too risky at night (police patrol, kids since it was Friday night, etc). I don't know what to think, but I'm inclined to think that Sierra was not in the car.
 
OldSteve said:
Gotta think that by now if Sierra was taken by someone from her school LE would have some clues about that via rumors circulating, who's been absent, who's acting strange... who ended social network contact with her right after she went missing...
IMO it would be difficult for young people to keep it secret, or hidden from others.... (okay, the lack of info about Lauren Spierer contradicts what I just said, but they're a bit older crowd)...
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I keep coming back to your post, for some reason. As you note, Lauren Spierer's crowd is older. As Sierra's sister's crowd would be. Her sister was on spring break that week ... I wonder if any of her male acquaintances had met Sierra? On break, they'd have been more free to come and go, with no school attendance, etc. Just a thought ... grasping a little, as with Lauren, sadly.
 
also, www.findsierralamar.com is up and running with some cute pictures of Sierra when she was very young with her family. Also a very touching letter from her sister, as some updates on the search tomorrow. It appears that the site was created by her sister and dad
 
oceanblueeyes said:
All photos on the computer have a date stamp no matter when you send them. It can be ascertain by a forensic computer expert when the photo was actually taken.

IMO
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I don't get what you are saying...

There are two objects that Sierra used that morning.. Her home computer and her phone.

I was suggesting the perp turned on the home computer.. Found the shark photo and took a pic of it with the phone... Then tweeted it via her phone...

The phone thenwould have the correct time stamp on it..as showing the morning she went missing...

Lol... Am I even making sense? Lol
 
Foxymona said:
Yeah I noticed that- but if that is the case I believe they would be able to tell and they would have a trace of when the original was taken or at least an indication of such? Thoughts?
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Sure. I saw at least one article along the way where LE has said they know when the pic was sent, but that they are not sure when it was taken, more or less was the gist.

What if the photo has already been sent prior to Fri. and was on someone else's phone already?
We don't know what they know?

But, the photo that was sent that morning I noticed from the start had a fuzzy quality to it, too bright, just different than other photos she has sent, so I was considering possibilities of why that might be.
 
Foxymona said:
Yeah I noticed that- but if that is the case I believe they would be able to tell and they would have a trace of when the original was taken or at least an indication of such? Thoughts?
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I sure hope they took the home computer to have it looked over...
 
houndstooth said:
To make it look like something it wasn't.

Otherwise are we to believe he's really great at hiding a presumed body but didn't know how to hide her stuff?
Why not just put it wherever she is and we wouldn't have anything to go on right now?
Apparently they wanted or needed for there to be "something" to go on.
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I think both things can be true. That the perp (which could be or include a woman) really doesn't want her body found but didn't particularly care if her phone and bag were found.

The phone, I just see as a pure liability: cell phone pings and GPS locating make it too risky to mess with. It could never be used or sold or gifted for fear of it leading LE straight to the perp. I theorise that the purse was also seen as a potential liability to the perpetrator, for much the same reasons.

I think the perp must have felt reasonably sure there weren't witnesses or they would not have grabbed Sierra. But who knows for sure? If someone in one of the other houses saw something and called 911, the last thing the perp would want would be to (in effect) carry a locator device with them while they went wherever it is they went with Sierra.
 
Eileen730 said:
Could u take a photo of a photo?

just a thought!
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You can, but hopefully LE, and more importantly FBI, would be able to spot/see the "noise" in the photo to know it is a picture of a picture (a similar thing happens when you scan an old photo on to your computer from a printer, or the like. it creates "artifacts" in the image and will loose sharpness around the edges and add color noise.)

There is a problem with uploading pictures to Twitter that I am sure LE/FBI finds their ways around, because when you upload to twitter w/o the device the picture was sent from (lets say the picture was taken on the phone, then uploaded to a personal computer, then to twitter) it loses the exif data at the twitter upload. The only device to have the true "stamp" of that image would be on the phone, and likely the computer -- if it was sent to the computer after being taken.

That's the long version. I believe Sierra uploaded from the phone to twitter.

(How I know all this; Pro photog (freelance journalism), and I have studied the twitter uploads/facebook uploads ad nauseam in some cases here.)
 
Wendy101 said:
I don't get what you are saying...

There are two objects that Sierra used that morning.. Her home computer and her phone.

I was suggesting the perp turned on the home computer.. Found the shark photo and took a pic of it with the phone... Then tweeted it via her phone...

The phone thenwould have the correct time stamp on it..as showing the morning she went missing...

Lol... Am I even making sense? Lol
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I actually think this is quite brilliant.
And would explain the issues I have with that particular pics appearance.

I've seen screen shots done with a cellphone and uploaded and you know, that is exactly how they look.
Not sharp and clear but sort of fuzzy and overbright.
Thanks.
 
90Nine said:
That being said....I'm definitely inclined to think it is someone in the neighborhood...someone who would not stand out...even the car. I think it was done during the daytime. I think it would be too risky at night (police patrol, kids since it was Friday night, etc). I don't know what to think, but I'm inclined to think that Sierra was not in the car.
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That's a good point, re: nighttime, with more surveillance and yes, kids out and about. IDK what to think, either, but in another case that I've followed forever, the Oakland County Child Killer, it appears that the children may have been killed up north but returned to where they were abducted. Returning a purse would be much easier, I suspect.
 
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