CA CA - Westlake Village, HispFem 18-30, UP11249, pregnant, in parking lot, Jul'80

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For me personally, I always felt she appeared to be about 25/26, but this is just based on the reconstructions and crime scene and embalmed photos. She doesn't look like a teen or 20-year-old to me personally. But I haven't seen any pics that weren't public and I assume the ME had other reasons for the age estimate.
I’m torn here. She has a really young look to her, like an older teenager but having at least one prior pregnancy, I am leaning towards believing she’s in her early 20’s. Do we know how old the baby’s father was in 1980?
 
They also use also physical factors that don't show up in photos, like tooth and joint wear, skull sutures and that sort of thing. She might be a year or two older but usually if a person is much older than 20s they start to show more signs of aging.

But on the other hand, all the factors including facial are best estimate and subject to error. Did you have a particular person in mind, or was that just a general question?
It was just a general question to see if theres anyone who suspects a differing age than initially thought.
 
I have always thought she was about 18-20.
I was born in 1956. I would have been 24 in 1980. She looked about 4 years younger than me and I looked young. I know it's just a composite and embalmed pic. But being in my 20s at that time, it's a "vibe", I get.

I still think she's from Mexico.
Here's a thought: Has anyone looked at possible connections to Tijuana? Not in like born there, but she could have resided there for some time before coming to the US. (Yeah right..we're certainly gonna find this out..LOL) She could have resided in a border city for some time before coming here. It's fairly common.

Carlos Santana was from Jalisco, but he spent 1955-1963 in Tijuana getting "Americanized". His dad was in San Francisco at the time. Carlos and his mother and siblings were in Tijuana waiting for a right time to come over.
 
I lived nearby where she was found and was 21 at the time. I thought she was probably close to my age so I looked thru my high school yearbooks to see if she looked like anyone at my school. But couldn't find anyone I thought might be her.

I avoided this thread for a long time. Her being found scared me to death back then. That area was so peaceful and so safe it was such a shocking event to occur there.

I remember breaking down in my car along the freeway and I had my two young children with me and I was petrified the wrong person would stop to help me. Her murder did serve to wake me up and be less trusting of strangers.

It's so very sad that after all these many years she still has not been identified.
 
I still think she's from Mexico.
Here's a thought: Has anyone looked at possible connections to Tijuana? Not in like born there, but she could have resided there for some time before coming to the US. (Yeah right..we're certainly gonna find this out..LOL) She could have resided in a border city for some time before coming here. It's fairly common.
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From everything I have seen, the entry point for many of her family members who migrated to the U.S.. was from Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico to El Paso, Texas.
Some remained in El Paso, and some came to California.

I am seeing a small scattering of relatives in other states, as well, but it seems the predominant route to California from Zacatecas went through Juarez/El Paso - Not Tijuana/San Diego.
 
Do we know if she was raising her first kid? Do we know if her first kid was even alive when she got murdered? If the first kid is still around then finding them would probably be a big key to find who she was.
 
Do we know if she was raising her first kid? Do we know if her first kid was even alive when she got murdered? If the first kid is still around then finding them would probably be a big key to find who she was.
We don't know the answers to any of those questions. For all we know her first child was adopted out and finding them wouldn't help if there's no paperwork. Or maybe her first child is in another country, even, being raised by family. They could be anywhere.
 
Do we know if she was raising her first kid? Do we know if her first kid was even alive when she got murdered? If the first kid is still around then finding them would probably be a big key to find who she was.
Due to her ethnicity, it is extremely likely that she or her parents were raising her child. I would not be surprised if her parents were helping her raise her child. Once again, I look at those eyebrows and she is part of the "chola", "low rider" culture. Lower income Mexicans just do not give up their children for adoption. It's looked down upon. It's entirely possible that her parents were raising her child while she was "getting on her feet".

She may have had set-up with her parents, "Our daughter comes and goes, but our grandchild is OK"...(She may have had sporadic contact with her family) This is not uncommon. We see this on missing persons/identified persons alot.


It's also possible that she had an ex involved, which could have been complicating the picture. VCJD may have been back and forth with her ex or former in-laws and the child may have been caught up with that. However in the end, her parents or possibly former in-laws likely raised her child.
 
Do we know if she was raising her first kid? Do we know if her first kid was even alive when she got murdered? If the first kid is still around then finding them would probably be a big key to find who she was.
I wouldn't be too surprised if VCJD didnt have custody of her first child. Perhaps they were being raised by VCJD's parents, significant other, or grandparents
 
I used to work in newborn nursery. You cannot tell at 5 months whether a woman had prenatal care, unless you have access to medical records. (And we would not have access to those unless we knew who she was. ;) )


They just noted that her fetus was healthy. Prenatal care is not required for a healthy fetus. The odds are: She knew she was pregnant.

She appeared to be healthy. She probably had an unremarkable pregnancy and was fine wearing high heels. She was "youthful". (IOW: Her pregnancy at 4.5 months did not seem to be a "burden" like it is for us "old folks" or young folks with pre-existing health conditions)

Height: 5'1" to 5'3"
Weight: 110 to 115 lbs.
If her pre-pregnancy weight was 100 -105 pounds, this would be slightly less than average weight gain for 4.5 month pregnancy.
Most weight is gained at the end.

I was 4'11 and 92 pounds at my first prenatal visit with my first child. I weighed almost 130 at the end. I eventually got down to 105. I weighed about 125 pounds at the end of my second pregnancy.

She still had quite a ways to go. The odds are: She knew she was pregnant. Most women do!! She had a pregnancy that wasn't causing her to gain a bunch of weight and still allowed her to wear what appear to be 3 inch heels. I don't believe her red corduroy plants were maternity. Her weight gain was somewhat less than average, but I don't read too much into it. Lower weight gain is often a youthful trait, but that does not mean that she was "underage".

BTW: I was born in 1956. (24 in 1980) I think Lyra Jade was a few years younger than me. Maybe 18-20 yo..JMO...Based on her height, weight and what she was wearing.
I'm so confused, who named this woman Lyra Jade? It's nice to give her a nickname, I guess, but it completely fails to account for her ethnicity and lived identity. We know she was of Mexican and indigenous origin and embraced the Chola lifestyle to whatever extent. I'm curious why someone would give her a nickname that takes this away from her.
 
I'm so confused, who named this woman Lyra Jade? It's nice to give her a nickname, I guess, but it completely fails to account for her ethnicity and lived identity. We know she was of Mexican and indigenous origin and embraced the Chola lifestyle to whatever extent. I'm curious why someone would give her a nickname that takes this away from her.
It wasn't meant to be reflective of her heritage or take it away from her either; it was just a nickname coined by DNA Doe Project volunteers to simplify research/make it easier to communicate about her case. Apparently, it is a common practice for DDP, and the Does are often nicknamed after fictional characters just for ease of communication and to ease up clunkiness. Apparently, her name came from a video game character, which I can't speak to since I'm unfamiliar with. Typically, we (the public) never know the Doe nicknames, but Det. Rhods referred to her by her nickname when talking to journalists, so now we know it.

My hope is that we are able to retire the name soon when we find her TRUE name - but in the meantime, I think it is a nice placeholder, but nobody is under obligation to use it!
Do we know if she was raising her first kid? Do we know if her first kid was even alive when she got murdered? If the first kid is still around then finding them would probably be a big key to find who she was.
How I wish we did. Nope, we sadly are left in the dark on this. The only evidence we know that she had had at least one baby prior was from the autopsy showing she had had a live birth (episotomy scar). Her child could still be alive and well (God willing), they may be deceased, nobody knows.

It is very possible, maybe probable, that her child was being cared for at the time by her family, or by the child's father's family, or another relative. They may have figured she just abandoned her child and wanted to cut ties with her family entirely when she never came home - which breaks my heart! It is also possible they were adopted out. I have to wonder if it's possible her child(ren) were in the foster care system, but I do lean against this, since it is more likely they were kept in the family.

One of my big hopes with this case is, when she gets ID'd (yes, I said when and not if because I feel in my heart & soul that it's coming soon) - if her child is still alive, they will learn that their mom didn't abandon them and they will be able to know the truth about what happened to their mother. Her family deserves that.

What would be excellent was if her child (probably now in their mid-40s) happened to see, hear, watch, read, etc. about similar cases, such as Shirley Soosay's, being solved with forensic genealogy and deciding to get a kit done to see if they can find out what happened to mom. Especially if they have kids who are wondering "What happened to abuela? Why did we never get to meet her?"

I am just so grateful for her and for her family, as well as for Shirley and for her family, that the sick, vile, deranged, rotting MONSTER that did this is locked up. I am literally grateful everyday for this. I understand there is no such thing as closure, in these cases, not really, but I am SO GLAD Chouest is living out the rest of his pathetic, worthless life behind bars so he cannot hurt any other victims. My wish and hope is that he burns in the flames of Hell!!!
 

It wasn't meant to be reflective of her heritage or take it away from her either; it was just a nickname coined by DNA Doe Project volunteers to simplify research/make it easier to communicate about her case. Apparently, it is a common practice for DDP, and the Does are often nicknamed after fictional characters just for ease of communication and to ease up clunkiness. Apparently, her name came from a video game character, which I can't speak to since I'm unfamiliar with. Typically, we (the public) never know the Doe nicknames, but Det. Rhods referred to her by her nickname when talking to journalists, so now we know it.

My hope is that we are able to retire the name soon when we find her TRUE name - but in the meantime, I think it is a nice placeholder, but nobody is under obligation to use it!
I appreciate the explanations, thank you!
 
The fictional character names are better than the nicknames LE usually comes up with, which are often based on appearance or location where the body was found. So we have a woman who was probably a perfectly nice old lady known as "Devil Dog Doe" because she was found on Devil Dog Road. For instance.
 
The fictional character names are better than the nicknames LE usually comes up with, which are often based on appearance or location where the body was found. So we have a woman who was probably a perfectly nice old lady known as "Devil Dog Doe" because she was found on Devil Dog Road. For instance.
It is admittedly quite strange. Do they keep the names anonymous, and this one just happened to be leaked? I don't want to look up fictional characters online with the intent of looking for fictional characters and instead finding images of postmortem autopsies.
 

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