Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #19

[stan laurel]

I tried putting on the DG helmet and it took me to a darker place of thinking of where he might have taken the L's and NO. I'm sure it has been brought up before but give this a go.

Go on google maps and then in the query box type "Storage facilities". One of the places pin pointed is 2.5 km's from Parkhill. I don't want to put the company name up on here or their website but if you look at it, it may open up another avenue of thought,, do a street view of the property and give us your thoughts;

Were the L's/NO were brought somewhere to be dealt with later but, DG was intercepted before his second part was to take place.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

hahaha,, I think you may have just implied that Silly is a low level thinker.

I joke, I joke.

Of course not! lol!

My philosophy is no way of thinking is better than the other. You need outside the box/creative types to come up with the idea of building a rocket ship but you need the logical/by the book guys to build it!

 

[Lalalacasbah]

... maybe someone more tech savvy can figure it out.

This is the article in the news on Friday

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...m-homes-businesses-broadcast-online-1.2828391

and this is the website

http://insecam.com/

is there a chance of finding cctv footage from around that date and the Parkhill address,, likely exit points from the neighbourhood?

I'll check out the website, big brother or what? Sometimes good, sometimes bad.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I tried putting on the DG helmet and it took me to a darker place of thinking of where he might have taken the L's and NO. I'm sure it has been brought up before but give this a go.

Go on google maps and then in the query box type "Storage facilities". One of the places pin pointed is 2.5 km's from Parkhill. I don't want to put the company name up on here or their website but if you look at it, it may open up another avenue of thought,, do a street view of the property and give us your thoughts;

The L's/NO were brought somewhere to be dealt with later but, DG was intercepted before his second part was to take place.

Hhmmm, I noticed a couple storage places but nothing jumped out, but then again I'm pretty tired so maybe I didn't clue in. Do you mean the one across from a casino?

If DG used storage, he could've did it in Airdrie also.

Do you think DG was intercepted when LE apprehended after him leaving the motel or do you mean that night?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Stan, I checked out the insecam site, a little confusing for me to follow and I think I'm pretty tech savvy lol!

I tried a couple google searches from their FAQ section but not sure I'm doing it right. Also, there's no place to log in on the page, so confusing.

Then, I did just google 'insecam Airdrie' and link shows up for Airdrie area but the page didn't load properly for me (I think it's my computer) or I got too impatient to wait (I was curious to check out East Lake Ramp Rd in Airdrie). I googled 'insecam Calgary' too and there's like 174 pages, but I haven't figured how to find the location of the results yet.

I can't tell if the website is live-cams/live and instant footage only or if you can back track dates. I didn't get a chance to read the entire article you posted (yet) either, hope to tomorrow if I get a chance, as maybe there's more info in it about how the site works.

 

[stan laurel]

please please please, can anyone (either side of the fence, or atop the fence, or burrowing under the fence ) list all the moving companies that kl did websites for. I don't know how to look. very important.

 

[stan laurel]

but you need the logical/by the book guys to build it!

mmmm, tell frank gehry that.

 

[stan laurel]

Do you think DG was intercepted when LE apprehended after him leaving the motel or do you mean that night?

that night,,, or rather he didn't plan on being caught, and had a space to put them before moving further on his plan, but, then was picked up. there is no way he was going to do the second part of the plan until after the odd-falling long weekend.

Thieves like dg need fences,, I found a very vicious fence and extortionist, loan shark, mortgage lender, and have several msm links if this is allowed. and he does business 2.5 km from parkhill. he actually makes dg seem lower minor if dg is/was not the accused.

must bed now and see if I can get to work in the morning without flying off the highway.

please help me find the moving companies,, i'll list the links tomorrow after I ask the mods if it's ok.

 

[deugirtni]

It looks to me like i) my OWN computer doesn't seem to have the ram required to pull up the photos; ii)there doesn't seem to be an ability to change a date, it seems to me that this is 'live' only; iii)very scary to think that joe blow goes and buys an IP camera so that he can look at his house whenever he wants to while he's on vacation or at work, but perhaps Joe doesn't have the tech savvy to bother changing the default password, and so *everybody* can ALSO watch his home along with him, but from their own homes! UGH!! Hope Joe's doggies are behavin!

... maybe someone more tech savvy can figure it out.

This is the article in the news on Friday

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...m-homes-businesses-broadcast-online-1.2828391

and this is the website

http://insecam.com/

is there a chance of finding cctv footage from around that date and the Parkhill address,, likely exit points from the neighbourhood?

 

[PonderingNS]

please please please, can anyone (either side of the fence, or atop the fence, or burrowing under the fence ) list all the moving companies that kl did websites for. I don't know how to look. very important.

KL has links to SO many sites but I see several that take me to Yellow Bird Moving of Lethbridge.
There is also this site that shows a couple of links or whatever from her quantumklik.com site too.
http://website.informer.com/quantumklik.com#tab_ip_whois

The Yellow Bird moving site has a few names added and removed under 'activity' of the site.
http://www.aihitdata.com/company/01309BAE/YELLOW-BIRD-MOVING/history#main
Don't know if any of this will help but thought I would post it just incase.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Denying the antecedent



http://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803095711627

In this case I said:

If the Ls are alive (P) the police are incompetent(Q).

It does not follow from this that if the Ls are not alive (p is false) that therefore the police are not incompetent (q is false). Or, to remove the double negatives, that if the Ls are dead, the police must be competent.

This would be denying the antecedent.

The Ls can be (dead) not alive (Q is false) and the police can still be incompetent (P is not false).

So the first logical fallacy on your part was denying the antecedent by arguing that if P is false, Q must be false, or that if the Ls were dead, the police must be competent.

This fallacious conclusion that police must be competent (Q must be false) was then exacerbated by making another leap -- that since Q must be false, R (DG is guilty) must be true. I don't even know where that came from.

In any case, that's really all i can add while hoping that you will accept the credentials of the Oxford series of reference books.

I too am bowing out of this conversation until new information becomes available.

And now we enter into the "circular argument" phase of dishonest debate tactics. The following has already been covered...

Since there are plausible, yet unlikely, ways the evidence could have led LE in the wrong direction, you cannot definitively say if P, then Q. That is where your accusations of posters calling LE incompetent becomes putting words in people's mouths.

Since Einstein once used the word moot, that also makes the rest of your argument moot. Sure, that sounds silly, but credential dropping to make an argument seems to impress some, so maybe they'll thank one of my posts too.

 

[LoisLane]

KL has links to SO many sites but I see several that take me to Yellow Bird Moving of Lethbridge.
There is also this site that shows a couple of links or whatever from her quantumklik.com site too.
http://website.informer.com/quantumklik.com#tab_ip_whois

The Yellow Bird moving site has a few names added and removed under 'activity' of the site.
http://www.aihitdata.com/company/01309BAE/YELLOW-BIRD-MOVING/history#main
Don't know if any of this will help but thought I would post it just incase.

Thanks for posting this. It amazes me how if we look at a webpage months later something else might jump out!

I am always looking for more info on the male partner of CH. Coincidentally, his name appears here. Commercial real estate page with not the best reputaion linked as well. As well a horse betting website comes up again. Another thing is that the last edits were done on June 26th.

http://www.aihitdata.com/company/01309BAE/YELLOW-BIRD-MOVING/history#main

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Denying the antecedent



http://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803095711627

In this case I said:

If the Ls are alive (P) the police are incompetent(Q).

It does not follow from this that if the Ls are not alive (p is false) that therefore the police are not incompetent (q is false). Or, to remove the double negatives, that if the Ls are dead, the police must be competent.

This would be denying the antecedent.

The Ls can be (dead) not alive (Q is false) and the police can still be incompetent (P is not false).

So the first logical fallacy on your part was denying the antecedent by arguing that if P is false, Q must be false, or that if the Ls were dead, the police must be competent.

This fallacious conclusion that police must be competent (Q must be false) was then exacerbated by making another leap -- that since Q must be false, R (DG is guilty) must be true. I don't even know where that came from.

In any case, that's really all i can add while hoping that you will accept the credentials of the Oxford series of reference books.

I too am bowing out of this conversation until new information becomes available.

And now we enter into the "circular argument" phase of dishonest debate tactics. This has been covered...

Since there are plausible, yet unlikely, ways the evidence could have led LE in the wrong direction, you cannot definitively say if P, then Q. That is where your accusations of posters calling LE incompetent becomes putting words in people's mouths.

Since Einstein once used the word moot, that also makes the rest of your argument moot. Sure, that sounds silly, but credential dropping to make an argument seems to impress some, so maybe they'll thank one of my posts too.

 

[PonderingNS]

Thanks for posting this. It amazes me how if we look at a webpage months later something else might jump out!

I am always looking for more info on the male partner of CH. Coincidentally, his name appears here. Commercial real estate page with not the best reputaion linked as well. As well a horse betting website comes up again. Another thing is that the last edits were done on June 26th.

http://www.aihitdata.com/company/01309BAE/YELLOW-BIRD-MOVING/history#main

You just typed what I was typing ! Yes it is interesting to note that KH's name, email and phone number were all removed on June 26,2014.
When you google the removed number you will see it connects to a metal smith / forge company. That company also comes up under a different name.

 

[LoisLane]

You just typed what I was typing ! Yes it is interesting to note that KH's name, email and phone number were all removed on June 26,2014.
When you google the removed number you will see it connects to a metal smith / forge company. That company also comes up under a different name.

The Lethbridge address starts with a 123. I wonder if the address was just random or made up. I will map it later today. Very interesting about KH.

 

[PonderingNS]

Just to show other links to KL via websites:
http://www.webboar.com/whois/beautyinthebottle.org
This one leads to yet another page with three domains on it all under KL's name. The Canmore Daycare where CH works is one of those sites.
http://wa-com.com/industry-leader-online.com
KL's email leads you to so many sites it's hard to follow. I found it disturbing that on more than one the keywords she put in first was 'air gun ' followed by GUNS. This was on a landscaping site, strange keywords to use.
There is also a business connection in white rock.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

It looks to me like i) my OWN computer doesn't seem to have the ram required to pull up the photos; ii)there doesn't seem to be an ability to change a date, it seems to me that this is 'live' only; iii)very scary to think that joe blow goes and buys an IP camera so that he can look at his house whenever he wants to while he's on vacation or at work, but perhaps Joe doesn't have the tech savvy to bother changing the default password, and so *everybody* can ALSO watch his home along with him, but from their own homes! UGH!! Hope Joe's doggies are behavin!

Okay, it wasn't just me then, the photos/video wouldn't load or were slow. Video files are huge to begin with but these are probably compressed (I would think) so shouldn't take long to load(?)

And agreed, looked like live/streaming only, no back dating. I wanted to try to log in and use the generic name and password I saw on the site, but didn't see anywhere to log in, did you? Also, I didn't see any search fields/bars.

Here's a link to some Calgary channels from insecam, but do notice it's page 13 of 174, there's 174 pages of Canadian cameras and it looks alphabetical by city, so not sure how many pages Calgary has.

http://insecam.com/cam/bycountry/CA/?page=13

I found the site very creepy also. The photos/channels I could see reminded me of haunted places, just creepy! Let me know if you explore and find anything useful as I'll try later too and let you know if I figure anything new out

 

[PonderingNS]

All cameras have lat and long listed. Liknes property lat and long will show which cameras are close to their home.

 

[LoisLane]

Just to show other links to KL via websites:
http://www.webboar.com/whois/beautyinthebottle.org
This one leads to yet another page with three domains on it all under KL's name. The Canmore Daycare where CH works is one of those sites.
http://wa-com.com/industry-leader-online.com
KL's email leads you to so many sites it's hard to follow. I found it disturbing that on more than one the keywords she put in first was 'air gun ' followed by GUNS. This was on a landscaping site, strange keywords to use.
There is also a business connection in white rock.

Ooh! I am curious about the White Rock connection. I would like to verify if it is one of the L's friends that seems to pop on facebook. Is there a link that you can post?

 

[PonderingNS]

I closed down all the pages I had open but I will see if I can find it again