Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 June 2014 - #4

[Dangeross]

Sadly I get the sense that the missing victims are no longer with us and if it was DG then there will be no evidence remaining. It would not be a surprise to me if the LE announce they are going to cease any further searches in the next news briefing for this particular area. The fact that LE have not released information may not only be due to keeping it close to the vest but maybe they don't have much more then what they have announced to media.
On FB a family member posted a recent picture of AL and themselves and I was struck by the photo because AL looked older and more frail then the original photo media has available where AL looks quite strong and healthy. So in my mind AL may have had a difficult time defending himself from an attack especially since we do not know what the nature of his leg limp is as mentioned in media.
Scary point is that if LE do not find evidence which I think is sadly going to be the end result, then DG will likely only be charged with a minor offence with the ID issue currently and will likely be out on bail very soon.
Lastly, as posted on WS a neighbor was rumoured to have seen at the Garlands farm that the potting shed-plant shed lights were on at night added to that there was burning going on as well. Was the burning going on at the same time during the night that the lights were on in the large potting shed? That was not clarified by poster.

Lights on middle of the night, burn during the following day.

 

[wendiesan]

What is that? I can't seem to figure it out by googling it. TIA

Sorry GF. This was a horrible, horrible case involving several unsolved murders in BC which may have happened on a pig farm owned by Robert Pickton and his brother. RP eventually pleaded guilty to 27 counts of first-degree murder. Much of the evidence related to finding DNA on the farm even though bodies not longer existed as such. The case brought into question police attitudes towards prostitutes and native women and how that affected investigative techniques throughout years of disappearances. It is also related in someways to the Highway of Tears. If you're interested, there is a lot of information online, including reporting regarding the eventual inquiry and its recommendations. Just google search Robert Pickton.

 

[ztzt]

Drive safely. See what lasting consequence a car accident can cause? (Whichever theory you believe)

 

[Wondergirl]

It is safe bet to say at this point, that LE has video evidence of all 3 victims being taken against their will from their home, given the statements LE has made regarding not knowing if it was blood that was found, whose blood etc., we can "rule out" the "substance" found as evidence of them being removed against their will.

Evidence is evidence. That's what they said. LE said "all 3".

JMO

 

[Watson-1975]

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...etween-person-of-interest-and-missing-family/

An interesting article i found, about another location being searched and some mention of bad business dealings between AL and the person of Interest which i assume is DG

 

[Coldpizza]

I agree, we need out own Canadian True Crime group to create/manage this. A timeline of events would be awesome.

Amber Alert: Timeline of events

BY ERIKA STARK, CALGARY HERALD JULY 6, 2014

June 29: It’s the third day of the estate sale at Alvin and Kathryn Liknes’ home in Parkhill. Jennifer O’Brien, Kathryn’s daughter, visits the home with two of her children. At around 10 p.m., she leaves with her youngest son. Five-year-old Nathan O’Brien stays at his grandparents’ house for a sleepover.

June 30: Jennifer O’Brien returns to the Liknes house around 10 a.m. to pick up Nathan. No once is there. In the afternoon, police announce that they’re investigating what they say is the suspicious disappearance of Nathan and his grandparents. Around suppertime, an Amber Alert is issued for the missing trio. The alert prompts numerous calls to police, but yields no significant leads.

July 1: Police say they have a “big mystery” on their hands, and evidence at the Liknes home suggest that the three family members left the residence against their will. Police ask anyone who attended the estate sale between June 27 and 29 to contact them.

July 2: The parents of Nathan O’Brien make an emotional public plea for the return of their son at a press conference with police. “I know Grandma’s holding you so tightly right now and taking care of you and they are doing everything in their power to keep you safe, so I need you to ... stay strong Nathan,” says Jennifer O’Brien, clutching a T-shirt belonging to her missing son.

July 3: About 75 people attend a community hall meeting in Parkhill to talk to police about the estate sale. That afternoon, police say they’ve advanced the case in the last 24 hours, but it’s not sure how much progress has been made.

July 4: In the most revealing update yet from police, Staff Sgt. Doug Andrus says a violent struggle occurred inside the Liknes’ home before the three went missing. Police are searching for a green Ford F150 made in the late 1980s or early 1990s that was seen driving around Parkhill several times during the night of the disappearance.

July 5: Dozens of police officers fan out in the area around the Liknes’ home. The search is complete a few hours later. Soon after, a large police presence is seen at an acreage in the rural northeast corner of Airdrie, and in the evening, police confirm that the massive search at the property is related to the investigation. Police find a green truck matching the description of the one seen near the Liknes’ home at the scene and take one person in for questioning.

July 6: Police and RCMP continue their grid search of the Airdrie property, but release the person they’d taken for questioning from custody. The man, Douglas Garland, remains a person of interest. About 40 officers stand shoulder-to-shoulder as they slowly comb the fields around the home. In the afternoon, they tape off the area around a nearby pond and a police boat is seen briefly at the scene. Police remain on scene.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/Amber+Alert+Timeline+events/10005882/story.html

 

[ElleElle]

Cardston is not far from Airdrie. My guess is either DG had read about it when it was the "talk of the community" back then or possibly witnessed it.... or maybe was driving in the area when it happened and came upon the scene. Perhaps he became fixated on the event. He could have been home on a weekend visit from University around the time it happened. Either way, the name of MKH would have been out there and easy pickings for someone struggling... or beginning to struggle with mental health issues.

My own opinion is that DG may suffer from more than ADD. That diagnosis may be outdated as mental health study has come a long way since the 80's and even since 2005. I would suggest BPD, OCD or PTSD may be more in line. Untreated for many years perhaps this lead to paranoid delusions? MOO



I'm having trouble posting. My computer keeps freezing when I'm on this site only. Lots of traffic I guess.

BBM ~ I have BPD, IMO, it does not cause delusions, just up and downs extreme.

IMO, it may be signs of a sociopath. ie: Ted Bundy. Narcissistic, grandiose, extremely intelligent.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Thanks to violet56 and all who answered my question for clearing that up for me! My anal(ytical) mind gets hold of things and won't let them go until I'm clear on the facts! :blushing:

OMG, Daisy!

I never knew where the term "anal" came from... Though I use it a lot!

Anal - ytical!

:tyou:

:floorlaugh:

 

[ElleElle]

According to this quote from the following article, she would have seen a great deal, sadly.

"They say there was no sign of forced entry into the home but that blood found inside confirms that a violent incident did take place there.

Police could not say who the blood belonged to, only that whoever it was from would have been "in medical distress."

The forensics unit also examined "marks" along the outside of the house but police could not confirm whether those marks are blood."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/nathan-o-brien-amber-alert-person-of-interest-has-criminal-past-new-charge-1.2698107

BBM~ IMO, "medical distress" could be as simple as someone without medications needing to function. ie: diabetes, heart etc.

 

[skibaboo]

OMG, Daisy!

I never knew where the term "anal" came from... Though I use it a lot!

:tyou:

:floorlaugh:

Are you sure you want to admit to that CLUE? :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

 

[ElleElle]

I own and read "On the Farm" by Stevie Cameron. Good read on Picton.

 

[smoothcheetos]

BBM~ IMO, "medical distress" could be as simple as someone without medications needing to function. ie: diabetes, heart etc.

Right, but then they would have mentioned that in the Amber Alert. The wording IMO leans more towards the blood/evidence shows someone was injured seriously.

 

[LoriMcA]

Are you sure you want to admit to that CLUE? :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

Was going to say something similar....this convo seriously made me :floorlaugh: ...sometimes it's a matter of laugh or cry....
With the days going by on this case....right now a LOL is a bit cleansing...then back to serious business....

 

[voominvava]

http://i.cbc.ca/1.2699690.1404825297!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/prayer-vigil.jpg

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/nathan-o-brien-amber-alert-search-resumes-for-missing-family-1.2699624

Photo of family at mass this morning. So sad.

My heart breaks. I cannot imagine not knowing where my little boy is. Let alone my parents.

 

[ElleElle]

NO was not dropped off (incorrect reporting) but rather left behind at the end of his visit.
They also mentioned in the Amber Alert that NO was last seen in the area of MacLeod trail.....again, somewhat misleading as it would lead people to believe he was last seen away from the property, not on it.

What reporting are you getting this information from? Not trying to be snarky, but I read on CBC that NO was dropped by JO at 10pm on the 30th. :dunno:

 

[Lava]

What reporting are you getting this information from? Not trying to be snarky, but I read on CBC that NO was dropped by JO at 10pm on the 30th. :dunno:

Its pretty much in all the articles now, and the timeline that has been posted above. Originally the term "Dropped off" Was used. But it was cleared up, and now we understand Mom was there helping with the sale and left without NO so he could have a sleepover.

 

[PrincessButtercup]

My first post ... I don't find it odd at all that CL go to AL's home after not being able to get a hold of him. Last year I got a call from my mother-in-law's best friend on Canada Day because she couldn't get a hold of her by phone and said it wasn't like her. I thought she was being paranoid since it was Canada day and she was likely out. I checked on her anyway and found her dead of a massive heart attack in her back yard. Sometimes people just know the habits of others well enough to feel when something is wrong. My husband passed away suddenly last year as well and I had a foreboding feeling all week and when I couldn't get a hold of him at home I knew right away that something was really wrong even though there was nothing leading up to it that would have made me suspicious and sent someone to check on him

Hope my post was in line with TOS and okay

 

[skibaboo]

Just an observation, there seems to be a considerable less amount of media tweets coming from Airdrie compared to this time the last 3 days. Pondering if this is significant, or if the media are diverted to covering the press conference, or if the search is winding down and media haven't so much to tweet. Hmm

 

[smoothcheetos]

Just an observation, there seems to be a considerable less amount of media tweets coming from Airdrie compared to this time the last 3 days. Pondering if this is significant, or if the media are diverted to covering the press conference, or if the search is winding down and media haven't so much to tweet. Hmm

I was just thinking the same thing! Yesterday the thread was updated by the minute with tweets from MSM. Today nothing.

 

[KMouse]

BBM~ IMO, "medical distress" could be as simple as someone without medications needing to function. ie: diabetes, heart etc.

I think the medical distress reflects the amount of blood that was at the scene. Now who's blood is it? It doesn't take long to do blood typing but it takes a while to electrophoresis. They could have quickly had a good idea about how many victims based on different blood types.