Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 June 2014 - #7

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Carli said:
Not really, IMO. Diabetics need their insulin. Asthma sufferers need their ventilators. Etc. etc. Their are many conditions that are life threatening in the absence of regular medications. If needed medicines were left behind, that would definitely constitute the potential for medical distress.
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otto said:
Claims about medical distress due to medication need to be made by a doctor. If police are making claims about medical distress, it probably has something to do with the violence they described at the scene.
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Agree with otto. If it was only due to medication being left behind, the police had no reason not to mention that clearly. They didn't even need to reveal that the medications were left behind, they'd just need to say "he/she had medical condition that requires taking daily medication". No reason to word it in such a subtle way:
“Based on the evidence at the scene, somebody would be in medical distress,” said Andrus.

Otherwise the police would be deliberately misleading the public--for what purpose?
 
Carli said:
Well, admittedly my accident theory requires a bit of work :thinking: but, when it comes to the green truck I suggest there could be any number of reasons. House sales almost always have something lying around outside. Maybe this was just the usual garage sale thief just getting up enough nerve to steal something he'd spied in the driveway. Maybe it was the irate ex-husband of somebody else down the block driving around spying on his ex-wife's place. Maybe some drug dealer was driving around waiting for his customer with the overdue account to appear in his driveway on the next block. Maybe a workaholic tradesman with insomnia was scouting the neighborhood to see which houses he should pitch for new driveway sealer or a paint job or new gutters. I dunno. MOO. IMHO. Anyway, there are far better imaginations than mine on WS that can construct something viable. :truce:
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LOL .. thanks for the chuckle. I know that feeling :)

A lot will hinge on when/if we find out that the truck in the still shot IS one and the same as that seized from the Airdrie property. At this point we can only surmise, given the continued activity surrounding DG and the property.
 
sillybilly said:
Carli, how would your accident theory factor in the green truck seen several times during those critical hours and appearing to lead LE to a person who happens to have a grudge against AL?
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Has it been stated as fact that DG held a grudge again AL?
 
Carli said:
Not really, IMO. Diabetics need their insulin. Asthma sufferers need their ventilators. Etc. etc. Their are many conditions that are life threatening in the absence of regular medications. If needed medicines were left behind, that would definitely constitute the potential for medical distress.
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I find the whole thing confusing just by how things have unfolded. It seems to me that the msm usually inform the public right away if there is a concern with a missing person that will be needing vital medication so I wasn't worried about that. I am confused by the information that has been released but not followed up on. Like it took so many days to tell us there was violence and that one of the family members would be in medical distress (:(:( The whole 'dark liquid' thing also bothers me as I was pretty sure they could identify if it was blood on the spot (not who it belongs to but just that it was blood. I understand the need to not compromise the case in any way, but I don't understand the reasoning of some of the information released.
 
mrazda71 said:
Has it been stated as fact that DG held a grudge again AL?
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I guess it depends on whether the source is reliable according to the CBC:

from:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...-search-teams-return-to-liknes-home-1.2705128

Sources say a business deal between the two went sour, leading to "bad blood," and Calgary police are investigating a patent dispute as part of their probe into the case.

Winter Petroleum, a junior gas company owned by Liknes, went bankrupt near the end of June &#8212; just days before the family went missing.

Liknes had registered a patent for an apparatus that separates gas from water.

"There are some business issues that we are looking into," said Calgary Police Service spokesman Kevin Brookwell on Thursday. "I can't get into specifics about what these are and who was involved, what they look like or how many people were involved. But yes, we have got a number of people who are looking into that."
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deugirtni said:
How do we know the 'family home' was only in AL's name (prior to it being sold in December 2013)? If AL is on title as part owner of a property belonging to the business of Alvin's bro and his wife FL, then that property is also at risk.... (only if AL had signed personal guarantees to corporate debtors).. what a mess.
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This is the first timeline that was posted in the news. On July 1, it was posted here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Calgary-30-June-2014&p=10688744#post10688744

BY ERIKA STARK, CALGARY HERALD JULY 1, 2014 6:44 PM

"The Herald has compiled a timeline of the events leading up to the disappearance of five-year-old Nathan O&#8217;Brien and his grandparents, Alvin and Kathryn Liknes, who were reported missing on Monday morning.

December 5, 2013: Alvin Liknes sells his Parkhill home to a Calgary lawyer. He continues to live in the home with his wife, Kathryn.

June 11-24: The Liknes family posts various ads on Kijiji during this time, advertising various household items and furniture for sale. The ads mention that the couple is moving and can&#8217;t take these items with them. They also advertise an estate sale to be held at the end of the month.

June 27-29: Alvin and Kathryn Liknes hold an estate sale at their house. Signs on the front door say, &#8220;come on in!&#8221; Dozens of people cycle in and out of the home over weekend. Neighbours who chatted with the couple say they were talking about &#8216;downsizing&#8217; and moving to Mexico. Cherri Hodgins, a friend of Kathryn Liknes, said the couple bought a condo there and had been planning to move for several months.

Midday, June 29: Five-year-old Nathan O&#8217;Brien goes to visit his grandparents with his mother, Jennifer. In the afternoon, neighbour Peter Walton&#8217;s grandkids play with Nathan O&#8217;Brien in the park behind the Liknes home, while Alvin Liknes looks on from the garage.

10 p.m., June 29: After staying at the house for an unknown amount of time, Jennifer O&#8217;Brien leaves her parents&#8217; house, and Nathan stays with his grandparents. It&#8217;s the last time anyone sees Nathan or his grandparents.

10 a.m., June 30: Jennifer O&#8217;Brien returns to her parents&#8217; house to pick up Nathan. There is no one at the house. She calls police.

Late morning, June 30: Cliff Liknes goes to visit his brother, Alvin, after he didn&#8217;t pick up the phone. He quickly realizes something is wrong when he arrives and sees police combing Alvin&#8217;s home.

4 p.m., June 30: Police announce they are investigating what they say is the suspicious disappearance of Nathan and his grandparents.

5:30 p.m., June 30: An Amber Alert is issued for the missing trio. The alert prompts numerous calls to police, but no significant leads turn up.

1 p.m. July 1: Nathan O&#8217;Brien and his grandparents are still missing. The Amber Alert continues for a second day. Police don&#8217;t know where the three missing people are and say they have a &#8216;big mystery&#8217; on their hands."

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/calgary/Amber+Alert+Timeline+events/9991492/story.html
 
This search is going on too long for a quick resolution to finding the missing persons. It looks to me that police are no closer to finding the missing persons than they were on July 1.
I'm wondering if a resolution will have to wait until the crops are harvested and the fields are cleared. I'm convinced that if the person of interest is involved, he put them in a place that he knows well from his teen/early 20s years. I wonder how helpful the parents can be. I wonder if someone that socialized with the person of interest 30 years ago might have some insight.
 
otto said:
This search is going on too long for a quick resolution to finding the missing persons. It looks to me that police are no closer to finding the missing persons than they were on July 1.
I'm wondering if a resolution will have to wait until the crops are harvested and the fields are cleared.
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I'm eagerly waiting for the test results of the chemicals found at DG place and the stains/drag marks at the Liknes home. The latter should have been out by now but they aren't telling us anything.
 
otto said:
This search is going on too long for a quick resolution to finding the missing persons. It looks to me that police are no closer to finding the missing persons than they were on July 1.
I'm wondering if a resolution will have to wait until the crops are harvested and the fields are cleared. I'm convinced that if the person of interest is involved, he put them in a place that he knows well from his teen/early 20s years. I wonder how helpful the parents can be. I wonder if someone that socialized with the person of interest 30 years ago might have some insight.
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I agree about this going on too long especially with the amount of man power and media attention invested into finding them. Very discouraging.
 
otto said:
This search is going on too long for a quick resolution to finding the missing persons. It looks to me that police are no closer to finding the missing persons than they were on July 1.
I'm wondering if a resolution will have to wait until the crops are harvested and the fields are cleared. I'm convinced that if the person of interest is involved, he put them in a place that he knows well from his teen/early 20s years. I wonder how helpful the parents can be. I wonder if someone that socialized with the person of interest 30 years ago might have some insight.
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Do we even know what area the POI lived in his teen/early 20's ?
 
violet56 said:
Do we even know what area the POI lived in his teen/early 20's ?
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Yes we do. He was cooking meth on the Airdrie property until he skipped bail on those charges and assumed another identity.
 
Cherchri said:
Yes we do. He was cooking meth on the Airdrie property until he skipped bail on those charges and assumed another identity.
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I believe he was 32 or 33 when arrested for cooking meth and 39 when they caught him again. So that still doesn't say where he was as a teen or early 20's right ?
 
violet56 said:
I believe he was 32 or 33 when arrested for cooking meth and 39 when they caught him again. So that still doesn't say where he was as a teen or early 20's right ?
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Well, I mean his parents have owned that acreage for ever so I am assuming he lived there, no? I remember vaguely reading someone went to school with him in airdrie but I could be wrong
 
violet56 said:
I believe he was 32 or 33 when arrested for cooking meth and 39 when they caught him again. So that still doesn't say where he was as a teen or early 20's right ?
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He skipped bail 7 years prior. The family moved to that property in 1973 and he had evidently been cooking in an outbuilding. There was a short spell at university where he was not living on the property. This was covered in some much earlier threads - sadly I don't have time to go back through all of them to direct you specifically. I would guess the 2nd thread would be a good place to start.
 
violet56 said:
Do we even know what area the POI lived in his teen/early 20's ?
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He was born approx. 1960 and the Gs bought the Airdrie property in 1973 when he was around 13. I don't think we know when they built on it.
 
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