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Brilliant deduction! This absolutely makes sense and would arguably explain why they took the car, as well as the dog's blood/hair.
CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #9
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As someone who wasn't present at the time of AG's killing (being on his annual cruise since 27th), the source was well informed. Much lesser informed he seemed to be of the fact, that DS had dropped the charges against him. I don't know exactly, if it is corrected now because I don't want to read the story once more and for the 4th time.
But I wondered, why such an important fact wasn't immediately inserted in the online-story. The name-calling of DS was alleviated or deleted, but that was it. - With that I had/have not only minor problems and for me it caused ulterior motives (certainly not only with respect to this oddity).Corleigh8 - where are you?
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Thank you for the clarification, SB.
Perish the thought, sorry - but, wonder if LE took samples from the dogs to find out ( among other things ) if there was any of the perp's DNA in their teeth, or if they ingested any drugs or human trophies?
speculation, imo.
speculation, imo.
I wonder if there is an aspect to that scatteredness that originates from one source? Or is it all just scattered? Will have to look at those things tonight! I wonder if on the 27th (Monday) she was just starting to feel better? Although.. if she was not well, and worse, on the 26th, then would she have still attended LV's dinner? Did the soup make her feel better to enable her to go to pick up some vitamins for her babies? Hard to imagine that she would hug him though, knowing she was ill, and being intelligent to know that she could pass it on to him too? I also can't imagine Audrey being the type to tell lies, or be so fickle, etc., so no idea what all of that scatteredness is about??
That is an interesting thought to think that if the killer killed her on the Monday aft/early evening, as police now suggest, he could have lingered at her place for much longer, even going inside.. except.. how would he have stopped the dogs from barking at him, especially after performing his gruesome acts. The dogs would know. And how could he depend on no visitors coming by to 'catch him' there? Too risky (imho)! And I think police would have been able to determine that someone had been there.. prints on water glasses, dishes, whatever? If it was truly someone sick and random, wouldn't they take off immediately?
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That is an excellent point.. it would sure explain nobody hearing her dogs going nuts at the attacker, and perhaps even why her dogs were in their kennels, if they had been given something .. like a sedative perhaps? Make them sleep through the events? They can tell drug ingestion from both hair and blood. One would hope they would have thoroughly examined the dogs for potential injection points, and also perhaps their stool, from while they were locked up for the days(?) between AG's murder and her discovery?
As someone who wasn't present at the time of AG's killing (being on his annual cruise since 27th), the source was well informed. Much lesser informed he seemed to be of the fact, that DS had dropped the charges against him. I don't know exactly, if it is corrected now because I don't want to read the story once more and for the 4th time.
Corleigh8 - where are you?
I'm not sure I'm totally getting your post.. was the fellow's blog reiterated in a newspaper article? The blog itself, I believe, was written at the time.. and DS wasn't released until months later, at which time his blog was updated. So at the time of his writing that stuff, nobody knew yet, that DS would be released. I'm sure it was a disappointment for everyone that the murder became suddenly unsolved when that happened. We were hearing his anger and blaming and etc., from the time when everyone suspected it was DS due to his arrest.
I wonder if *all* of these people are POIs? ie the blogger friend, the koffee klatchers, the veterinarian friend? The neighbours? The beneficiary? I also wonder if DS is still a POI, even though whatever test results go him released? If whatever that test result was, was different from both DS and PK, yet PK obviously (according to himself) remained a POI, then who is to say that DS doesn't also remain a POI?
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I think this is the first time we've heard that. Do you have a link/source for the info, deugirtni?
For anyone interested, this part of the book is about DS.
https://books.google.ca/books?id=pm...2b5AB4#v=onepage&q=David Laurie Scott&f=false
"Death's Shadow: True Tales of Homicide
By Jon Wells"
https://books.google.ca/books?id=pm...2b5AB4#v=onepage&q=David Laurie Scott&f=false
"Death's Shadow: True Tales of Homicide
By Jon Wells"
I live in the town where DS is from/lives and I know people that have lived here forever, and have known him forever. I haven't lived here forever, but I also knew him over a period of time a few years ago. Some of the people who've known DS forever, still think he did this, and that he is capable of doing this. I seriously didn't think for a minute that he did this, and I still don't.
I felt that he was a POI for the obvious reason that he had been seen in the area of AG's home, but that he was focused on as a suspect because he is without a doubt weird. How do you come up with an alibi when you're a homeless person living alone without a job, etc, and the time in question could have potentially spanned a period 65 hours or so? It came as no surprise to me that he ended up being released. There are others however, who believe otherwise, but ultimately none of our opinions really matter, since opinions are all they are.
I just wonder if he is still considered a POI, along with others, even though whatever testing they did of whatever evidence they had, came back without showing any indication of him, or if that simply meant they then did not have evidence to really charge him, much like other POIs that police say they are still keeping tabs on.
From a newspaper article written this past August (BBM):
[url]http://www.thespec.com/news-story/5809219-who-killed-audrey-gleave-/
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WSer flipflop made a post on Jan 4 at 3:24 am wrt Audrey's online obituary that "Cremation has taken place". It seems therefore the obit would have been online Jan 3 latest. Autopsy was Dec 31 so cremation would have been sometime between then and Jan 3.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...caster-ON-30-Dec-2010-1&p=5965543#post5965543
I find that so disturbing. I know that they can't keep a body waiting forever, and that things are *supposed* to be perfect, nothing supposed to be missed, the first time, no mistakes are supposed to be made, no oversights, and every possible thing considered that might eventually end up being important in the end... but it scares me to think that sometimes things are missed (like for example in the case of Wayne Millard's death which was originally thought to be a suicide, and many historical cases when bodies have had to be exhumed for one reason or another).
I wonder if the body would have been released for cremation so quickly if DS had not felt to police like a slam-dunk at the time? What if at the time, they still had no real suspect? From DS's sister's perspective, police had their sights set on DS from the beginning. I wonder how many, if any, things were missed and not pursued as they possibly should have been, in the early days and in the 4 months following, because of that?
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http://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/2011/01/05/remembering-audrey
That can not really be true: the police is almost even looking for clues and evidence and the murdered Audrey has already been cremated!! A scandal somehow.
That can not really be true: the police is almost even looking for clues and evidence and the murdered Audrey has already been cremated!! A scandal somehow.
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The autopsy would have been very thorough , important samples preserved , tons of notes and pictures , when the coroner is done there is no reason to store the body.
That should be very true and I would love to lay all of my faith in that all information and samples needed both at the time and potentially in the future were carefully kept, documented, photographed, labeled, handled with no possibility of future claims of tampering, stored correctly, etc.
Except that it seems scary, just in case something occurs to them after the fact, and it would then be too late to check on, if the remains had already been cremated. Just paranoia stepping in, I guess. I understand we can't stock piles of bodies just in case..... but on the other hand, how many times does it happen really where there is a murder victim who is cremated and whose case is unsolved?
I don't get why the big hurry to release a murder victim for cremation though, would it have killed anyone to wait at least until police had a clue what had happened in this case? In days past, when cremation was not as popular as it is today, there have been instances of authorities exhuming bodies of people who had been buried, as opposed to cremated. Since that option is not available with cremation, I just hope there is no room for error of any kind. All of us, even the medical examiners and police officers, are only human.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ocial&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1448891559
Mortuary mistakenly allows pensioner's brain to be cremated before truth behind death can be revealed
"The stroke after the crash was a haemorrhage, it was a completely different type. Along with the bruising from the impact and the damage to the internal organs, it led the pathologist to believe the two were linked but he needed further tests to prove it.
"It was agreed by the family that the brain would be removed and sent to a specialist laboratory in Bristol for further examination.
"When they picked up the body the brain was in a bag in a tray and they asked if they were taking that too and were told yes.
"The funeral directors then phoned the coroner's office to check they were meant to have it and he told them yes. They had two chances to correct their mistake and missed both. I just couldn't believe they could get it so wrong."
Mortuary mistakenly allows pensioner's brain to be cremated before truth behind death can be revealed
"The stroke after the crash was a haemorrhage, it was a completely different type. Along with the bruising from the impact and the damage to the internal organs, it led the pathologist to believe the two were linked but he needed further tests to prove it.
"It was agreed by the family that the brain would be removed and sent to a specialist laboratory in Bristol for further examination.
"When they picked up the body the brain was in a bag in a tray and they asked if they were taking that too and were told yes.
"The funeral directors then phoned the coroner's office to check they were meant to have it and he told them yes. They had two chances to correct their mistake and missed both. I just couldn't believe they could get it so wrong."
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http://www.insidehalton.com/news-st...ents-charged-in-16-million-investment-scheme/
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Four Halton residents charged in $16 million investment scheme
Two Burlington residents are among four people charged in an investment scam that allegedly bilked about 150 people, including Halton residents, out of $8 million.
Halton Regional Police, with the assistance of the Ontario Securities Commission (OSC), says it recently completed an 18-month investigation into several companies:
North American Carrier Services,
Hillcorp International Services,
Hillcorp Wealth Management,
Suncorp Holdings (no relation to Suncor Energy),
Exxon Holdings (no relation to Exxon Mobil)
Petro Properties (no relation to Petro Holdings).
“Approximately 150 investors were led to believe that these investments were poised to generate large profits over a short period of time,” states a Halton police press release.
“They were of every age and every walk of life,” Mallinson said of investors, whom she said were from all over southern Ontario with a number from Halton, including Burlington.
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The detective said it doesn’t appear share certificates were issued to investors but rather letters sent to them indicating the amount of their investment and the expected monetary return. -------------------> AG's destroyed mailbox?
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No idea, when exactly, but long ago I've already mentioned these (old) news when other WS members spoke of the possibility of investment fraud in connection with AG's murder.
Don't know to explain without accusing a person. Perhaps like that: One of the 4 charged persons (now only found the names behind paywall) has an identical name (S. H.) with a relative ("related by marriage") of AG's very best old friend - hugs from her - who cared of Schatze and Togi (ie with "vitamines" shortly before the murder). Look at the obituary. Maybe a coincidence re the names?
Maybe there is a connection between an insider who very well knew AG's habits and a "professionally" fraudster, maybe another connection to a sort of contact man/middleman.
IF Audrey noticed a big fraud on herself, then she would have been a danger to one, two or three involved, I imagine. She would not have kept her mouth shut, right so. Maybe she threatened one person with a report to police or similar, maybe another of the involved got in rage, maybe someone staged the crime scene (sex assault). Trail of thoughts: If the fraudster himself didn't know all important infos (habits, home, code, times, dogs, data on computer, etc.), then another person must have been involved (and had some profit).
I'm not a good sleuther; perhaps a fellow sleuther wants to search the possible connections? I will try also, but I've little hope.
2012
Four Halton residents charged in $16 million investment scheme
Two Burlington residents are among four people charged in an investment scam that allegedly bilked about 150 people, including Halton residents, out of $8 million.
Halton Regional Police, with the assistance of the Ontario Securities Commission (OSC), says it recently completed an 18-month investigation into several companies:
North American Carrier Services,
Hillcorp International Services,
Hillcorp Wealth Management,
Suncorp Holdings (no relation to Suncor Energy),
Exxon Holdings (no relation to Exxon Mobil)
Petro Properties (no relation to Petro Holdings).
“Approximately 150 investors were led to believe that these investments were poised to generate large profits over a short period of time,” states a Halton police press release.
“They were of every age and every walk of life,” Mallinson said of investors, whom she said were from all over southern Ontario with a number from Halton, including Burlington.
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The detective said it doesn’t appear share certificates were issued to investors but rather letters sent to them indicating the amount of their investment and the expected monetary return. -------------------> AG's destroyed mailbox?
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No idea, when exactly, but long ago I've already mentioned these (old) news when other WS members spoke of the possibility of investment fraud in connection with AG's murder.
Don't know to explain without accusing a person. Perhaps like that: One of the 4 charged persons (now only found the names behind paywall) has an identical name (S. H.) with a relative ("related by marriage") of AG's very best old friend - hugs from her - who cared of Schatze and Togi (ie with "vitamines" shortly before the murder). Look at the obituary. Maybe a coincidence re the names?
Maybe there is a connection between an insider who very well knew AG's habits and a "professionally" fraudster, maybe another connection to a sort of contact man/middleman.
IF Audrey noticed a big fraud on herself, then she would have been a danger to one, two or three involved, I imagine. She would not have kept her mouth shut, right so. Maybe she threatened one person with a report to police or similar, maybe another of the involved got in rage, maybe someone staged the crime scene (sex assault). Trail of thoughts: If the fraudster himself didn't know all important infos (habits, home, code, times, dogs, data on computer, etc.), then another person must have been involved (and had some profit).
I'm not a good sleuther; perhaps a fellow sleuther wants to search the possible connections? I will try also, but I've little hope.
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