CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #9

[Deleted member 102539]

In The Hamilton Spectator:
“All the while, he and his devastated family maintained his innocence.

Now that the charges are dropped - after DNA evidence didn't match Scott - they are weighing whether to launch a lawsuit, said lawyer Charles Spettigue.”

As in almost every case, as the wording differs from report to report, things get twisted and bent.
Laurie’s lawyer stated outside the court that the police had “no DNA, no fingerprints”. May have meant none at all, may have meant of his defendant, may not have even meant what he said.
Unedited Video documentation is the only pure truth in most instances, sadly.

bbm

I've always thought since 2011, when Scott was released from jail, that LE had DNA indeed and it didn't match Scott.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Condolences for Audrey Gleave | Beckett-Glaves

It seems, you still can post condolences ......
I'm always touched by the people's loving memory.

10 years soon and no justice.

 

[deugirtni]

Condolences for Audrey Gleave | Beckett-Glaves

It seems, you still can post condolences ......
I'm always touched by the people's loving memory.

10 years soon and no justice.

Hmm interesting. It seems you can choose to post a condolence that will be either 'public', or 'private' which only the 'family' can see. I wonder who would be monitoring poor Audrey's private condolences, if any.

 

[Catmommy]

I hope that Audrey's killer is remembering her today with guilt and remorse. I hope they remember her every day the same way.

 

[Snoopster]

Coming up on the 10th anniversary of Audrey's murder. This is one of the first cases I followed here on WS in depth. And...it's still not solved.
I believe that the culprit reads this thread. He/she knows who they are, but they should also know that they will be caught and charged. Never rest.

 

[dotr]

The Hamilton Spectator

The Hamilton Spectator

The Hamilton Spectator

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Afair, Audrey was one of my first cases on WS. Never had I thought, that at the end of 2020 nothing would have happened and no killer would have been arrested (except one wrong suspect). Very sad and very unsatisfactory.

 

[deugirtni]

Afair, Audrey was one of my first cases on WS. Never had I thought, that at the end of 2020 nothing would have happened and no killer would have been arrested (except one wrong suspect). Very sad and very unsatisfactory.

I can't even believe it has been TEN years. So disgusted that they can't get anywhere with this case.

 

[deugirtni]

I wonder if there will be a 10 YEAR update on this case in the news? Hope so??

 

[dotr]

The thing i have been wondering about lately, is where the perp might be now and if they regret what they did, or have they gone on to commit other crimes?

LE stated that it was one of the most brutal murders they have come across- what happens to someone's mind after doing something like that, do they block it out, replay the murder over and over, is that person tortured or tickled by the memory of it?

How do they feel about the forthcoming 10th anniversary, are they looking over their shoulder, dreading the day LE come and bust down their door, or do they feel pleased to have gotten away with murder?

Is the perp in jail or hospital, have they become or are becoming an alcoholic or crackhead, did they flee the province or country, are they homeless, or living a comfortable, 'respectable' life with work and family?

just speculation, imo.

 

[Catmommy]

The thing i have been wondering about lately, is where the perp might be now and if they regret what they did, or have they gone on to commit other crimes?

LE stated that it was one of the most brutal murders they have come across- what happens to someone's mind after doing something like that, do they block it out, replay the murder over and over, is that person tortured or tickled by the memory of it?

How do they feel about the forthcoming 10th anniversary, are they looking over their shoulder, dreading the day LE come and bust down their door, or do they feel pleased to have gotten away with murder?

Is the perp in jail or hospital, have they become or are becoming an alcoholic or crackhead, did they flee the province or country, are they homeless, or living a comfortable, 'respectable' life with work and family?

just speculation, imo.

Dead, I hope. Preferably by suicide for this horrific act alone. I hope.

 

[Snoopster]

We have not forgotten about you Audrey!

 

[Deleted member 102539]

What did Audrey last see and couldn't believe? Her eyes were wide open the second, she died .....

 

[2soccermom]

I can't seem to find an update yet for this 10-year mark. I certainly hope LE and the media have not forgotten Audrey! In the absence of anything new/recent, here's something from earlier I don't recall seeing posted on WS (apologies if I missed something):

This following excerpt is from Susan Clairmont's long-ish piece, "Meet the latest DNA crime-fighting possibilities" (July 2020?) at www.pressreader.com.

There's a lot of general (and interesting) info there on DNA collection. I'm not sure if the order of info in the article obliquely suggests (??) that Audrey was sexually assaulted (remember Hrab suggested there was a "sexual component" -- but we also know that a later theory posits the scene may have been staged to throw investigators off). So we don't know if Audrey was the victim of sexual assault or not, and/or what kind of DNA was collected at the scene. Anyway -- the article at least tells us there is mixed DNA in Audrey's case which I don't recall knowing before. (Mixed DNA and forensics testing has been discussed in the Sonia Varaschin case, however.) Again re: order of info in the piece: is there some intimation there was contamination at Audrey's scene -- or are all these bits of info dropped in alongside each other random? The news story is largely about Sgt. Annette Huys, Hamilton PS’s "most senior forensics officer." You may recall she was the key forensics specialist in the Tim Bosma murder case. From the article cited above:

".... The ability to separate mixed DNA may be especially useful in rape cases where a vaginal swab contains a mix of the victim’s DNA and semen.

Last year, Huys resent exhibits from the unsolved Audrey Gleave homicide scene back to CFS to take advantage of the new mixed DNA testing.

Audrey, a retired high school teacher, lived alone in her Lynden home for 37 years before being killed in her garage in December 2010.

Anyone entering the DNA Unit at the CFS — even the maintenance guy who changes a light bulb — must first give a DNA sample.

This is a safeguard against contamination.

The reality, says Tessarolo, is that once a year or so, there is contamination of evidence in the white, sparse, meticulously cleaned unit where 80 biologists wear disposable paper lab coats, hair nets, masks and gloves.

The good news is, when there is contamination, the lab is able to explain it by comparing the contaminated sample to the DNA of every person authorized to enter the unit.

'You’re never going to prevent every event,' says Tessarolo. 'It’s inevitable. We focus on detecting it.'

Once it is detected, the lab investigates to determine how the contamination happened. Was it insufficient cleaning? An error in handling? Once the problem is identified, steps can be taken to lessen the chance of it happening again."

What are the results of the "resent exhibits" ???????? Why haven't we heard more?

 

[2soccermom]

In thinking about "mixed" DNA, I wonder if what we're being told (without being told) in this article is that there was contamination at the outset - at scene collection - in Audrey's case? I hope not. Maybe the juxtaposition of info is not meant to be leading; certainly it's likely that the info reflects the writer's conscious or unconscious opinions rather than firm LE data. (But this is exactly my worry in Sonia Varaschin's case: that DNA collected is Sonia's and investigators'. Again, I hope I'm way off on that one.)

But why haven't we heard yet about re-testing of items in this case?

BTW: I don't mean anything disrespectful to LE in Audrey's OR Sonia's cases. I am NOT suggesting LE "botched" anything. DNA is microscopic evidence -- even extreme care, I'm sure, can often result in contamination. Certainly, as the article indicates, even in the elite CFS, contamination happens annually. It's not the contamination I'm worried about (especially now that we have technology to separate out profiles -- like an investigator's and a perp's); rather, my worry is that there is no perp DNA left behind or collected, and the "mixed" samples are the victim's and LE. That's always the worst case scenario.

Of course, the "mix" that might not get us much further either is if Audrey's DNA was combined with someone's DNA who would be expected to have access (PK's, for example). There would need to be other substantive evidence to support that investigation if so. (I know, I know: DNA always requires additional supporting evidence. But you know what I mean )

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I can't seem to find an update yet for this 10-year mark. I certainly hope LE and the media have not forgotten Audrey! In the absence of anything new/recent, here's something from earlier I don't recall seeing posted on WS (apologies if I missed something):

This following excerpt is from Susan Clairmont's long-ish piece, "Meet the latest DNA crime-fighting possibilities" (July 2020?) at www.pressreader.com.

There's a lot of general (and interesting) info there on DNA collection. I'm not sure if the order of info in the article obliquely suggests (??) that Audrey was sexually assaulted (remember Hrab suggested there was a "sexual component" -- but we also know that a later theory posits the scene may have been staged to throw investigators off). So we don't know if Audrey was the victim of sexual assault or not, and/or what kind of DNA was collected at the scene. Anyway -- the article at least tells us there is mixed DNA in Audrey's case which I don't recall knowing before. (Mixed DNA and forensics testing has been discussed in the Sonia Varaschin case, however.) Again re: order of info in the piece: is there some intimation there was contamination at Audrey's scene -- or are all these bits of info dropped in alongside each other random? The news story is largely about Sgt. Annette Huys, Hamilton PS’s "most senior forensics officer." You may recall she was the key forensics specialist in the Tim Bosma murder case. From the article cited above:

".... The ability to separate mixed DNA may be especially useful in rape cases where a vaginal swab contains a mix of the victim’s DNA and semen.

Last year, Huys resent exhibits from the unsolved Audrey Gleave homicide scene back to CFS to take advantage of the new mixed DNA testing.

Audrey, a retired high school teacher, lived alone in her Lynden home for 37 years before being killed in her garage in December 2010.

Anyone entering the DNA Unit at the CFS — even the maintenance guy who changes a light bulb — must first give a DNA sample.

This is a safeguard against contamination.

The reality, says Tessarolo, is that once a year or so, there is contamination of evidence in the white, sparse, meticulously cleaned unit where 80 biologists wear disposable paper lab coats, hair nets, masks and gloves.

The good news is, when there is contamination, the lab is able to explain it by comparing the contaminated sample to the DNA of every person authorized to enter the unit.

'You’re never going to prevent every event,' says Tessarolo. 'It’s inevitable. We focus on detecting it.'

Once it is detected, the lab investigates to determine how the contamination happened. Was it insufficient cleaning? An error in handling? Once the problem is identified, steps can be taken to lessen the chance of it happening again."

What are the results of the "resent exhibits" ???????? Why haven't we heard more?

What, if there is mixed DNA (part of it the same, part of it different) from brothers? Then LE would have a problem.

 

[2soccermom]

Has anyone found any media release or LE statement on the event of the 10-year mark of Audrey's murder? Who is advocating for Audrey? It's depressing enough that TEN years have passed without any justice. But it's also awful that this major milestone date has passed unmarked by the institutions we rely on for information, spotlighting, advocacy. Did I miss some news stories /pressers??

 

[dotr]

Has anyone found any media release or LE statement on the event of the 10-year mark of Audrey's murder? Who is advocating for Audrey? It's depressing enough that TEN years have passed without any justice. But it's also awful that this major milestone date has passed unmarked by the institutions we rely on for information, spotlighting, advocacy. Did I miss some news stories /pressers??

Have checked for new articles but have not found anything so far, wondering if everyone knows who did it, but it cannot be proven?
speculation, imo.

Might have missed this interesting article from 2020 concerning DNA in which Audrey's case is referenced.
PressReader.com - Your favorite newspapers and magazines.

 

[truecrime_realtime_pod]

Who killed Audrey Gleave? 'Horrendous’ Ancaster murder still unsolved | TheSpec.com

 

[Catmommy]

Audrey's case haunts me, perhaps because I can identify with her reported persona so well. Something about the circumstances of her murder and discovery nags at the corner of my mind, as if I'm missing something I should see. I don't know why. Audrey didn't deserve this but she does deserve Justice. I hope she gets it. Finally.